• Thats Odd

    From Jeff Smith@1:282/1031 to All on Tue Feb 27 19:51:28 2018
    Hello There,

    I wasn't aware until my neighbor asked about a problem that he was having with his big screen TV. Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it may be brand related.

    Jeff

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Jeff Smith on Wed Feb 28 17:32:00 2018
    Jeff Smith wrote to All <=-

    Hello There,

    I wasn't aware until my neighbor asked about a problem that he was
    having with his big screen TV. Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed
    that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it
    may be brand related.

    I'm guessing a ferrite or 2 on his power cord should help. :) Definitely peculiar to his TV, I haven't exerienced that issue.




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  • From Jeff Smith@1:282/1031 to Tony Langdon on Wed Feb 28 08:57:32 2018
    Hello Tony,

    Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I
    turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed
    that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it
    may be brand related.

    I'm guessing a ferrite or 2 on his power cord should help. :) Definitely peculiar to his TV, I haven't exerienced that issue.

    Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF
    bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.


    Jeff


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  • From Ian McLaughlin@1:153/250 to Jeff Smith on Thu Mar 1 10:22:29 2018
    On 02/28/18, Jeff Smith said the following...

    Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.

    We had a similar instance with the residence next door to our club station.
    It was only on 10m, so happened infrequently (we don't operate 10m very
    often), but we gave the homeowner a handfull of clip-on ferite cores, and he was happy to apply them to various cords on his AV setup. The problem disappeared right away.

    We were happy to have such a quick resolution, because our club station is housed in a city-owned building, and the last thing we need is a complaint lodged with the city :)

    Ian VE7BST

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  • From Al Kaiser@1:142/926 to Jeff Smith on Fri Mar 2 09:48:11 2018
    Jeff Smith wrote to All Subject: Thats Odd


    I wasn't aware until my neighbor asked about a problem that he
    was having with his big screen TV. Seems that when I key up on 10
    meters I turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't
    affected so it may be brand related

    Does he have a "Smart TV" and or Blu-ray? I've found they are more sensitive to RFI than the "non smart" TV's and DVDs with no internet interface, also could be comeing through his HD Receiver if he has one.


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Jeff Smith on Fri Mar 2 22:28:00 2018
    02-28-18 08:57 Jeff Smith wrote to Tony Langdon about Re: Thats Odd
    Howdy! Jeff, Tony et al,

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    Hello Tony,

    Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I
    turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed
    that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it
    may be brand related.

    I'm guessing a ferrite or 2 on his power cord should help. :) Definitely peculiar to his TV, I haven't exerienced that issue.

    Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.

    In 1956 when I was in the 10th Grade, the High School had a Amateur Radio
    Club.

    Previous Students (and the Teacher) had built a Rack Mounted Kilowatt,
    Plate Modulated Transmitter they used on 15 Meters.

    The Final Amp had a pair of 810's in it.

    In the Schools neighborhood was one family who had an older model Television Set that had a 21.255 Mc. I.F. in it, and the School would get calls
    on the telephone about TVI.

    The Radio Room Teacher changed the Plug-In Coils in the rig to use it on
    20M and after doing that the School didn't get any more TVI calls.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Fri Mar 2 09:32:00 2018
    In a message on 03-02-18 Tony Langdon said to Jeff Smith:

    Hi Tony,

    Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.

    Obviously something really picks up 10m. Years ago, home alarms had
    a similar problem, most commonly triggered by 40m, but no other
    band.

    We had a similar problem. The TV-sets manufactured in the 1950-1960's
    had an IF-frequency of 21 MHz. Obviously we had to avoid working on the
    15m, and to some extent 40m bands, since 7 MHz * 3 = 21 MHz.

    Luckily, in those early TV days, they were not transmitting programs
    24h/day, so we could operate ham radio outside TV-hours.


    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Mon Mar 5 19:06:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    We had a similar problem. The TV-sets manufactured in the 1950-1960's
    had an IF-frequency of 21 MHz. Obviously we had to avoid working on the 15m, and to some extent 40m bands, since 7 MHz * 3 = 21 MHz.

    That would be a problem. Also some 2 way radios have an IF of 21.4 MHz. Fun if there's some 15m activity nearby!

    Luckily, in those early TV days, they were not transmitting programs 24h/day, so we could operate ham radio outside TV-hours.

    Here, that was after midnight. :)


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Wed Mar 7 09:34:00 2018
    In a message on 03-05-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tony,

    That would be a problem. Also some 2 way radios have an IF of 21.4

    Luckily, in those early TV days, they were not transmitting programs 24h/day, so we could operate ham radio outside TV-hours.

    Here, that was after midnight. :)

    The conditions on 21 MHz are not the best after midnight, so it wouldn't
    have been such a great handicap.


    CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Thu Mar 8 22:03:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The conditions on 21 MHz are not the best after midnight, so it
    wouldn't have been such a great handicap.

    So yes it would have, because you'd have to wait till after midnight (usually around 12:30 AM) for TV to close.


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Fri Mar 9 09:19:00 2018
    In a message on 03-08-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    GE AGN Tony,

    The conditions on 21 MHz are not the best after midnight, so it
    wouldn't have been such a great handicap.

    So yes it would have, because you'd have to wait till after midnight (usually around 12:30 AM) for TV to close.

    Well, there was (is) still several hours of daylight BTWN us.

    BTW, how come that you don't use the 24h system? I switched to that as
    soon as I started to keep a logbook, about 1951.

    Today we are not required to keep a logbook but the log programs do
    that anyway.

    It annoys me when a TV-program is announced to start at 8:30 in the
    evening ( or morning), instead of saying 20:30.


    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Mon Mar 12 20:01:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Well, there was (is) still several hours of daylight BTWN us.

    True.

    BTW, how come that you don't use the 24h system? I switched to that as soon as I started to keep a logbook, about 1951.

    Not normal civil practice, though I do use it for a lot of things, but with certain organisations (emergency services and ham radio stuff), as well as filenames for archives.

    Today we are not required to keep a logbook but the log programs do
    that anyway.

    I don't do DX, so keeping a log is less of an issue.

    It annoys me when a TV-program is announced to start at 8:30 in the evening ( or morning), instead of saying 20:30.

    Doesn't worry me either way.



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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Tue Mar 13 09:42:00 2018
    In a message on 03-12-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tony,

    BTW, how come that you don't use the 24h system? I switched to that

    Not normal civil practice, though I do use it for a lot of things,
    but with certain organisations (emergency services and ham radio
    stuff), as well as filenames for archives.

    Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h system.

    Even youngsters. When one of my grandchildren was confirmed (church), I
    gave her a digital wrist watch as a confirmation gift.

    She turned it in and got something else from the shop it was bought from

    I don't do DX, so keeping a log is less of an issue.

    I have done DX as long (even before) as I've had a licence.


    Have a good night,

    Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Fri Mar 16 06:45:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h
    system.

    Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

    Even youngsters. When one of my grandchildren was confirmed (church), I gave her a digital wrist watch as a confirmation gift.

    She turned it in and got something else from the shop it was bought
    from

    Hmm, OK. so that idea didn't take. :)

    I don't do DX, so keeping a log is less of an issue.

    I have done DX as long (even before) as I've had a licence.

    Yeah I tried it, sure, it's exciting, but not something I could do constantly, and then there's the paperwork - me and the postal system don't get along. :)


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Fri Mar 16 09:26:00 2018
    In a message on 03-16-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tony,

    Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h
    system.

    Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

    Sure does. In swedish or finnish we don't even have the shorthands AM
    and PM but have to use 'på morgonen and 'på kvällen' to tell when that
    8'oclock is.

    Even youngsters. When one of my grandchildren was confirmed (church),
    I gave her a digital wrist watch as a confirmation gift.

    Hmm, OK. so that idea didn't take. :)

    Nope!

    Yeah I tried it, sure, it's exciting, but not something I could do constantly, and then there's the paperwork - me and the postal
    system don't get along. :)

    I happened to get my license at the time of at the rising sunspot cycle
    in 1951 and when I moved to the Aland Islands 1957 it, #19, reached its
    record maximum.


    CU L8ER,

    Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Orbitman on Sun Mar 18 20:42:00 2018
    Orbitman wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I've been using 24 time since before getting out of high school in
    1985. Working in the radio business and dealing with transmitter logs require the 24 hr format. Since becoming a ham and working in police communications, I've continued using it. My computers, phone and
    tablet all display time in it. I prefer it.

    With me, it's the fire service and ham radio that gave me cause to use 24 hour time. :)


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Sun Mar 18 09:44:00 2018
    In a message on 03-17-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tony,

    Sure does. In swedish or finnish we don't even have the shorthands AM
    and PM but have to use 'på morgonen and 'på kvällen' to tell when that 8'oclock is.

    Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before
    mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the morning
    or evening hours.

    That's getting even clumsier. :)

    Yes it is especially when people usually don't use them to specify what
    part of the day is meant.

    I happened to get my license at the time of at the rising sunspot cycle
    in 1951 and when I moved to the Aland Islands 1957 it, #19, reached its record maximum.

    That was a long time before I was ever around. :)

    I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)


    Have a good night,

    Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Mon Mar 19 19:27:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the
    morning or evening hours.

    Oh, OK. So it's not like how AM means the 12 hours before midday and PM means the 12 hours after?

    That's getting even clumsier. :)

    Yes it is especially when people usually don't use them to specify what part of the day is meant.

    Hmm

    I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)

    Oh dear. :)


    Have a good night,

    Holger


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    LOL


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Sat Mar 17 19:40:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

    Sure does. In swedish or finnish we don't even have the shorthands AM
    and PM but have to use 'på morgonen and 'på kvällen' to tell when that 8'oclock is.

    That's getting even clumsier. :)

    I happened to get my license at the time of at the rising sunspot cycle
    in 1951 and when I moved to the Aland Islands 1957 it, #19, reached its record maximum.

    That was a long time before I was ever around. :)

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    True. :)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to TONY LANGDON on Fri Mar 16 19:02:00 2018
    Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h
    system.
    Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

    I have always prefered using 24 hour time. That may be because I have
    worked in a mainframe environment for over 20 years and the job run times
    are all in 24-hour format. I think I have always prefered it, though.

    I find it very odd when someone cannot understand time in that format.

    Here, it is also called "military time," and you can get some strange
    reactions from certain types of folks if they find that you are using it.
    They seem suspicious of persons they think might have been in the military
    (I have not been). I have never really understood that, either.

    Mike

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Mike Powell on Sun Mar 18 07:50:00 2018
    Mike Powell wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    I have always prefered using 24 hour time. That may be because I have worked in a mainframe environment for over 20 years and the job run
    times are all in 24-hour format. I think I have always prefered it, though.

    Me too, I do most things on a compuiter in 24 hour format, and usually set my phone or PC to it too.

    I find it very odd when someone cannot understand time in that format.

    Yes, it's not rocket science. :)

    Here, it is also called "military time," and you can get some strange reactions from certain types of folks if they find that you are using
    it. They seem suspicious of persons they think might have been in the military (I have not been). I have never really understood that,
    either.

    Tht term has been used here, though a lot of other organisations use it too - emergency services, ham radio, etc.


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  • From Orbitman@1:123/400 to Tony Langdon on Sat Mar 17 21:07:59 2018
    On 03/18/18, Tony Langdon said the following...

    Mike Powell wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

    I have always prefered using 24 hour time. That may be because I hav worked in a mainframe environment for over 20 years and the job run times are all in 24-hour format. I think I have always prefered it, though.

    I've been using 24 time since before getting out of high school in 1985. Working in the radio business and dealing with transmitter logs require the
    24 hr format. Since becoming a ham and working in police communications, I've continued using it. My computers, phone and tablet all display time in it.
    I prefer it.


    I find it very odd when someone cannot understand time in that format


    Me too.

    Thanks!
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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Tue Mar 20 09:55:00 2018
    In a message on 03-19-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi agn Tony,

    Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the
    morning or evening hours.

    Oh, OK. So it's not like how AM means the 12 hours before midday
    and PM means the 12 hours after?

    No it isn't because AM (a.m. ante meridiem) is used for any time before
    mid-day (12 oclock), and PM (p.m. post meridiem) for any time before
    midnight.

    I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)

    Oh dear. :)

    Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
    I'll keep going, hi.


    CU AGN es GN,

    Holger


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Wed Mar 21 09:05:00 2018
    Holger,
    Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
    I'll keep going, hi.

    That reminds me of the joke where the preacher is talking to an
    elderly Sunday School class. He asks them why do they feel that The Good
    Lord has allowed each of them to live to such a ripe old age.

    Without missing a beat, one old lady piped up "To test the patience of
    my relatives". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Thu Mar 22 07:42:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    In a message on 03-19-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi agn Tony,

    Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the
    morning or evening hours.

    Oh, OK. So it's not like how AM means the 12 hours before midday
    and PM means the 12 hours after?

    No it isn't because AM (a.m. ante meridiem) is used for any time before mid-day (12 oclock), and PM (p.m. post meridiem) for any time before midnight.

    Almost correct - "post" means after, so PM is "after midday". :) I knew that, I was just trying to make sure nothing is getting lost in translation. :-)

    I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)

    Oh dear. :)

    Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
    I'll keep going, hi.

    That's a reasonable approach. :)


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Thu Mar 22 09:30:00 2018
    In a message on 03-22-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tony,

    No it isn't because AM (a.m. ante meridiem) is used for any time before mid-day (12 oclock), and PM (p.m. post meridiem) for any time before midnight.

    Almost correct - "post" means after, so PM is "after midday". :)

    Yes, actually any time between midday and midnight.

    It feels a little bit odd to us because we are used to night, morning,
    day, afternoon and evening before we get to the night again.

    Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
    I'll keep going, hi.

    That's a reasonable approach. :)

    I hope it is.


    CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Fri Mar 23 17:41:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    It feels a little bit odd to us because we are used to night, morning, day, afternoon and evening before we get to the night again.

    We have all those descriptors too. :)


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Sat Mar 24 09:31:00 2018
    In a message on 03-23-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tony,

    It feels a little bit odd to us because we are used to night, morning, day, afternoon and evening before we get to the night again.

    We have all those descriptors too. :)

    Yes of course but there are any shorthand expressions like AM and PM for
    them.

    Off-hand I find just two shorthands in swedish, e.m. for afternoon and
    f.m. for before midday (after morning).


    GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Mon Mar 26 18:38:00 2018
    Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Off-hand I find just two shorthands in swedish, e.m. for afternoon and f.m. for before midday (after morning).

    We don't have those in English (at least not here), just AM and PM.


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Tue Mar 27 09:45:00 2018
    In a message on 03-26-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    Good afternoon Tony.

    Off-hand I find just two shorthands in swedish, e.m. for afternoon
    and f.m. for before midday (after morning).

    We don't have those in English (at least not here), just AM and PM.

    Yes I know.


    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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