• Re: Storage

    From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Sat Jun 7 13:46:00 2014
    05-22-14 09:16 Holger Granholm wrote to Roy Witt about Storage

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    In a message dated 05-21-14, Roy Witt said to Holger Granholm:
    Howdy! Sam,
    -snip-
    The pages and text of my 1960 Radio Amateurs Handbook are still
    as vibrant as they were when new. Only the binding of the back
    has loosened

    My 1960 copy of the Handbook has exploded into sections.

    Sure the printing on the pages looks good, but handling the book
    is difficult, to say the least.

    In 2030 the Copyright will expire and probably someone will put it on
    the internet on some site like Project Gutenberg.

    A copy of The Radio Amateur's Hand Book 1922 by A. Frederick Collins is
    at their web site.

    It isn't current, but it is interesting to read about how to build
    a Spark Transmitter.

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sun Jun 8 09:30:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-07-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ed,

    My 1960 copy of the Handbook has exploded into sections.

    In 2030 the Copyright will expire and probably someone will put it on
    the internet on some site like Project Gutenberg.

    For what purpose? New handbooks are published every year.

    A copy of The Radio Amateur's Hand Book 1922 by A. Frederick Collins is EV>at their web site.

    It isn't current, but it is interesting to read about how to build
    a Spark Transmitter.

    Are you shure that 1922 is correct. I own a 1926 edition of "The Radio
    Amateurs Handbook" "First edition" that was included with the purchase
    of the 80th anniversary of ARRL handbook.

    Please note: That 1926 Handbook was published by ARRL, not by some
    A. Frederick Collins.

    That 2006 handbook is still the latest on my bookshelf.

    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Holger Granholm on Tue Jun 10 12:51:33 2014
    Greetings Holger!

    A copy of The Radio Amateur's Hand Book 1922 by A. Frederick Collins
    is at their web site.

    It isn't current, but it is interesting to read about how to build
    a Spark Transmitter.

    Are you shure that 1922 is correct. I own a 1926 edition of "The
    Radio Amateurs Handbook" "First edition" that was included with the purchase of the 80th anniversary of ARRL handbook.

    A. Frederick Collins authored the 1922 Radio Amateur's Handbook, it isn't
    by any means the Radio Ameateur's Handbook of today or even 1926. Merely a history of radio up to 1922.

    Archie Frederick Collins (1869-1952) was a prolific inventor and author of
    many technical and popular works on radio, science and technology. We are indebted to him for this remarkable view of Amateur Radio technology in
    the early 1900s. The Radio Amateur's Hand Book, was reprinted in 2008 and
    is available free online from Forgotten Books, and in paperback at

    Amazon.com, 236 p, $9.01.

    Please note: That 1926 Handbook was published by ARRL, not by some
    A. Frederick Collins.

    Modern readers need to know this is not the ARRL Handbook for Radio Communications and it was not written by Art Collins of Collins Radio. It
    is actually a collection of early Amateur Radio information and projects, complete with how-to-build-it information. While the content may not have
    been forward-looking for 1922, having several stages of technical history compressed into one volume is enlightening and entertaining for today's readers.


    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Sat Jun 14 01:16:00 2014
    06-08-14 09:30 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

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    In a message dated 06-07-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ed,
    Howdy! Holger,

    My 1960 copy of the Handbook has exploded into sections.

    In 2030 the Copyright will expire and probably someone will put it on
    the internet on some site like Project Gutenberg.

    For what purpose? New handbooks are published every year.

    I like using electronic copies of books.
    My Pastor mentions Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan once in a while,
    so I found out I could download a copy of it from Project Gutenberg.

    The oldest book I have is one my GrandMother had, it was copyrighted
    in 1864 and is still usable but I am careful when I look through its
    pages.

    It's a book about Physics and was written by Quackenbos.
    The Title of the book starts out like this:
    "A Natural Philosophy ....."

    While I was trying to find when I was at a website that I looked for
    that book a long time ago, when I found the Link in FF History I
    went ahead and downloaded a .PDF of the book.

    When I first looked through the old book I noticed a sentence about
    a Molecule that said something such as: (This Is Not A Quote)

    - there must be something Smaller than a Molecule because you can pour
    a sizable amount of Sugar and Salt in a Container that is Full of
    Water before the solution starts spilling out of it.
    The Water Molecules must be allowing the Sugar and Salt to fit into
    some kind of empty spaces in a Molecule. -

    A copy of The Radio Amateur's Hand Book 1922 by A. Frederick Collins is
    at their web site.

    It isn't current, but it is interesting to read about how to build
    a Spark Transmitter.

    Are you shure that 1922 is correct. I own a 1926 edition of
    "The Radio Amateurs Handbook" "First edition" that was included
    with the purchase of the 80th anniversary of ARRL handbook.

    Please note: That 1926 Handbook was published by ARRL, not by
    some A. Frederick Collins.

    Yes!, that's correct, notice that the Collins book has a space between
    the words Hand and Book.

    Did F. E. Handy Plagiarize Collins work when he wrote the First
    "The Radio Amateur's Handbook" for the A.R.R.L. in 1926 (or 1925 as
    Richard Baldwin says in the front of my 1975 RAHB)???

    Go get the Wolff Hong and use it on that critter, or did that slip
    under The Old Man's oversight at the A.R.R.L.?

    __. ._. .. _.


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Sat Jun 14 01:23:00 2014
    06-10-14 12:51 Roy Witt wrote to Holger Granholm about Storage

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    Greetings Holger!
    Howdy! Roy and Holger,
    -snip-
    Are you shure that 1922 is correct. I own a 1926 edition of "The
    Radio Amateurs Handbook" "First edition" that was included with the purchase of the 80th anniversary of ARRL handbook.

    A. Frederick Collins authored the 1922 Radio Amateur's
    Handbook, it isn't by any means the Radio Ameateur's Handbook
    of today or even 1926. Merely a history of radio up to 1922.
    -snip-
    Modern readers need to know this is not the ARRL Handbook for
    Radio Communications and it was not written by Art Collins of
    Collins Radio. It is actually a collection of early Amateur
    Radio information and projects, complete with how-to-build-it
    information. While the content may not have been
    forward-looking for 1922, having several stages of technical
    history compressed into one volume is enlightening and
    entertaining for today's readers.

    Thanks Roy, Even though I just sorta wrote something similar to Holger
    I'll keep my message in the .REP packet and send it on out.

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Tue Jun 17 10:11:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-14-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ed,

    Please note: That 1926 Handbook was published by ARRL, not by
    some A. Frederick Collins.

    Yes!, that's correct, notice that the Collins book has a space
    between the words Hand and Book.

    Did F. E. Handy Plagiarize Collins work when he wrote the First
    "The Radio Amateur's Handbook" for the A.R.R.L. in 1926 (or 1925 as
    Richard Baldwin says in the front of my 1975 RAHB)???

    I don't know cause I wasn't along at that time.

    Go get the Wolff Hong and use it on that critter, or did that slip
    under The Old Man's oversight at the A.R.R.L.?

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.


    CU L8ER,

    Holger

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Thu Jun 19 21:31:00 2014
    06-17-14 10:11 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

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    In a message dated 06-14-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ed,

    Howdy Holger,

    Please note: That 1926 Handbook was published by ARRL, not by
    some A. Frederick Collins.

    Yes!, that's correct, notice that the Collins book has a space
    between the words Hand and Book.

    Did F. E. Handy Plagiarize Collins work when he wrote the First
    "The Radio Amateur's Handbook" for the A.R.R.L. in 1926 (or 1925 as Richard Baldwin says in the front of my 1975 RAHB)???

    I don't know cause I wasn't along at that time.

    Me neither, I'm just going by what the Copyright Date on the Collins
    book and what is written in the front pages of the A.R.R.L. books about
    when their "Handbook" was created.

    Go get the Wolff Hong and use it on that critter, or did that slip
    under The Old Man's oversight at the A.R.R.L.?

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    I knew that You and some of the others here could decode my Morse msg
    for the word GRIN without looking at a Chart, and to create a puzzled
    look on the readers of my msg that feel like CW is a Lost Art.

    IIRC an old "Carl and Jerry" article told of them tearing into a
    portable AM radio and modifying it so they could send an Emergency
    Message on the local CW Traffic Net Frequency to get some needed help.

    They did that because they didn't have any Ham Gear with them, just the portable battery powered radio.

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Fri Jun 20 06:21:00 2014

    IIRC an old "Carl and Jerry" article told of them tearing into a
    portable AM radio and modifying it so they could send an Emergency EV>Message on the local CW Traffic Net Frequency to get some needed help.

    They did that because they didn't have any Ham Gear with them, just the EV>portable battery powered radio.

    That reminde me of the Old General Test. You needed to be able to draw
    from memory some circuits like a Hartley or Colpitts oscillator
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to TOM WALKER on Fri Jun 20 21:46:00 2014
    06-20-14 06:21 TOM WALKER wrote to ED VANCE about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53A4B139.613.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    IIRC an old "Carl and Jerry" article told of them tearing into a
    portable AM radio and modifying it so they could send an Emergency
    Message on the local CW Traffic Net Frequency to get some needed help.

    They did that because they didn't have any Ham Gear with them, just the
    portable battery powered radio.

    That reminde me of the Old General Test. You needed to be able
    to draw from memory some circuits like a Hartley or Colpitts
    oscillator
    Howdy! Tom,

    IIRC, the General Test had 50 Questions and a score of 68 per cent was
    needed to pass the Test, so that meant to me I could miss 15.

    Usually I'd pass those Circuit Drawing Questions.

    NNNN

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sat Jun 21 10:13:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-19-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Ed,

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    I knew that You and some of the others here could decode my Morse
    msg for the word GRIN without looking at a Chart, and to create a
    puzzled look on the readers of my msg that feel like CW is a Lost
    Art.

    In fact that means nothing to us that never had to read/write morse
    characters with dots and dashes on a paper. For my (and most others)
    learning morse by ear was the way we were taught and learned it.


    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Holger Granholm on Mon Jun 23 13:29:21 2014
    Greetings Holger!

    __. ._. .. _.

    is easier written and read, hi.

    I knew that You and some of the others here could decode my Morse
    msg for the word GRIN without looking at a Chart, and to create a
    puzzled look on the readers of my msg that feel like CW is a Lost
    Art.

    Today, CW is a lost art, with less and less amateurs able to copy it.

    In fact that means nothing to us that never had to read/write morse characters with dots and dashes on a paper. For my (and most others) learning morse by ear was the way we were taught and learned it.

    In fact, learning to copy past the 'wall' at 13wpm wasn't as easy as it
    was to learn to recognize words instead of characters. I'm so out of
    practice these days that I don't remember Morse anymore.


    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Mon Jun 23 09:17:00 2014
    06-21-14 10:13 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

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    In a message dated 06-19-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Ed,
    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    I knew that You and some of the others here could decode my Morse
    msg for the word GRIN without looking at a Chart, and to create a puzzled look on the readers of my msg that feel like CW is a Lost
    Art.

    In fact that means nothing to us that never had to read/write
    morse characters with dots and dashes on a paper. For my (and
    most others) learning morse by ear was the way we were taught
    and learned it.

    Years before my Junior High School friend let me hear WWV on his
    S-38 RX I got a 2 piece Telegraph Set.

    It was the 'Premium' I asked for from selling some kind of merchandise
    from door to door in my neighborhood.

    Can't remember if what I sold was Flower and Vegetable Seeds, or Cards,
    or cans of Salve.
    I tried selling all three of those products from advertisments I saw on
    the back pages of Comic Books I read as a child.

    I never was any good at being a Salesman though.

    I hadn't heard about the 'Di' and 'Dah' sounds then, all I knew about
    the Code was from the Dot and Dash Chart printed on the top of each of
    the 'Telegraph Sets'.

    And after I became interested in becoming a Amateur Radio Operator,
    it was the Chart and Examples that were Printed on the pages in the
    various A.R.R.L. Paperback Books that I read to help me learn the Morse Alphabet, Numerals and Punctuation Marks from their pages.

    I suppose this here LID could had written:

    Dah-Dah-Dit Di-Dah-Dit Di-Dit Dah-Dit

    But I didn't think of typing the 'Sounds' when I used the Underscore
    and Period characters on the keyboard to 'send my GRIN message'.

    There I go 'Thinking' again. Sorry. Di-Di-Di-Dit Di-Dit

    There I go trying to have Fun again, Holger.

    I can't help it, I was born with this plague above my shoulders and I
    just have to live with it. You just have to tolerate it.

    I also remember seeing a Morse Code Chart on a page in my older
    brothers Boy Scout book, and probably if I had joined the Scout's I
    would had been introduced to hearing the sounds of the Code instead of
    just seeing it printed on pages in books.

    The U.S. Army Training Manual called, IIRC
    "A NMENOMIC Device For Memorizing The Internation Morse Code"
    that I borrowed from the Public Library helped me a lot.

    I had trouble with remembering what the characters Q X Y Z sounded
    like, until I got my Novice License with the Call Sign KN4ZIQ.

    ZIQ = Zero Intelligence Quotient

    A week or so ago I remembered seeing the Four N's at the end of
    messages coming over the Teletype when I was in the Navy, and thought
    I would start using that to End My Messages in Ham Radio BBS Echos,
    if I could remember to do it.

    NNNN

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Ed Vance on Tue Jun 24 11:16:47 2014
    Greetings Ed!

    GM Ed,

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    --. is easier to read than __. = don't have to use the shift key either.

    Note the small space between the -- vs the non existant space here __.

    .... .- ...- . .- -.. .- -.-- -.-.--

    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Roy Witt on Tue Jun 24 09:30:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-23-14, Roy Witt said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Roy,

    Today, CW is a lost art, with less and less amateurs able to copy
    it.

    I didn't know it before but now I do. I'm an art lover, I love Morse.

    In fact, learning to copy past the 'wall' at 13wpm wasn't as easy as
    it was to learn to recognize words instead of characters.

    There's no trick involved, it comes naturally when you use it.

    You start with learning single letters, then progress to recognise some
    common "words" like RST, QTH and name. After that phase you begin to
    "store" the operators name and qth in your head and continue from there
    to recognize several words at a time and finally you arrive at the stage
    where you copy first whole sentences and finally entire paragraphs.

    I admit that I have lost at least the paragraph copying because of not
    having trained that in a long time but it will come back with training.

    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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  • From Mike Luther@1:117/100 to Holger Granholm on Wed Jun 25 07:38:30 2014
    I've mentioned this before but I'll do it again.


    You start with learning single letters, then progress to recognise some common "words" like RST, QTH and name. After that phase you begin to "store" the operators name and qth in your head and continue from there
    to recognize several words at a time and finally you arrive at the stage where you copy first whole sentences and finally entire paragraphs.

    I admit that I have lost at least the paragraph copying because of not having trained that in a long time but it will come back with training.

    Getting faster and faster at it, at least for me when I got my first ham license as WN5WQN in 1952, was VERY easy after I got my first driver's license here in College Station, Texas in 1953 and started driving my first auto, a 1929 Model A Ford Victoria I bought for $60 when I was 12 years old.

    Our whole family is hugely musically oriented. I'd learned Morse Code from 78RPM records mu Uncle Billy sent me from Erie, Pennsylvania from his record store there that was part of Emerson Radio and Warren Radio which he was part of the foundation for that. Then the largest competitor to Allied Electronics.

    Getting stuck in traffic in my Model A Ford, I'd sing songs to my self to feel better around the traffic jams on Welborn Road next to the railroad lines that went through the middle of Texas A&M College. That road, at that time was also
    Highway 6 between Houston and Dallas! Then it hit me!

    Trains went slowly to keep from smushing as many Texas Aggies as possible and I
    was REAL familiar with railroading even at six and seven years old. It hit me.
    The steam loco whistle dah dah dit dah for crossing a road from the engineer was the letter "Q" and dit dit was to start forward was the letter "I" and dit dit dit was the letter "S". That sucked the whole relationship of a moving whatever into Morse Code! Then another deal hit me as I was stuck wait for a train jammed crisscross. I was lookng at the traffic sign for the street that crossed over the twin rail lines to right in the middle of Aggieland. I 'converted' the letters to Morse Code and echoed it from my mouth, like the whistle on the train!

    POOF! I started converting all the traffic street sign letters to Morse Code as I drove along to practice going Morse Code faster and faster! Then I began doing that for all kinds of signs while I was driving! My Dad was FURIOUS when
    he discovered I actually could get my Model A Ford to go 75MPH with it's 21 inch wheels! And after several months of this trick I was was WAY over 25 or 30 WPM at what I could do on CW. I had gptten my first Bug key as well. Then with my even at that time fun with relay control and so on, I started going faster and faster with just 'text' from the relay control stuff on my oscillator, listening to it with my S38 receiver.

    Later on, I could use a keyboard to get to 50-60 WPM on the air, but also with my complete computer controlled entire station operations I had designed in machine language and assembly language, I actually could copy in my head around
    90-100WPM or so.

    All brought about by diddling with my tongue in Morse Code from street signs and billboards while driving my Model A Ford Victoria at over 70MPH even going down Texas Highway 6 back and forth to Houston, in parallel with the Southern Pacific Railroad tracks. And even diddling with the numbers at names on the freight cars and engines from the trains that were going by me, even at that time close to 90-100 MPH. A heck of a lot faster than me!

    Mike Luther W5WQN from N117/100 and me as NC117 here.



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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Holger Granholm on Wed Jun 25 13:26:19 2014
    Greetings Holger!

    Today, CW is a lost art, with less and less amateurs able to copy
    it.

    I didn't know it before but now I do. I'm an art lover, I love Morse.

    You are a dying breed. I learned morse to get a novice ticket c1970, then
    had to give up AR for a few years for lack of money, only to have to go
    through the testing again for another novice ticket, c1977. Got on the air
    to practice morse in a real environment, meanwhile upgrading to
    Technician. Worked morse for a while increasing my speed from 5wpm to
    15wpm, enough to pass the General morse exam and eventually the Advanced.
    I quit there because I had no interest in continuing with cw and the
    Extra class wasn't enough to warrant further morse practice.

    My interests lay more in building antennas than being on the cw portions
    of the HF bands.

    In fact, learning to copy past the 'wall' at 13wpm wasn't as easy as
    it was to learn to recognize words instead of characters.

    There's no trick involved, it comes naturally when you use it.

    That's what I meant. If you use it enough, you will learn to recognize
    words and not have to listen for each character. This helps to improve
    your copy speed greatly.

    You start with learning single letters,

    Did that as a boy scout in the 50s. I knew morse code at the age of 13.
    Teens aren't that interested in morse or radio as much as they are girls
    at that age.

    then progress to recognise some common "words" like RST, QTH and
    name. After that phase you begin to "store" the operators name and
    qth in your head and continue from there to recognize several words
    at a time and finally you arrive at the stage where you copy first
    whole sentences and finally entire paragraphs.

    I never got to whole sentences and thus no paragraphs either.

    I admit that I have lost at least the paragraph copying because of
    not having trained that in a long time but it will come back with training.

    I suspect that my HF rig, Kenwood TS520 bought c1977, has blown some pwr
    supply caps as it has blown the fuse when turning it on. Someday, I'll get around to fixing that. The only other source of cw that I have is the
    repeater IDers around here.


    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Wed Jun 25 09:29:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-23-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    .... .. . -..

    Years before my Junior High School friend let me hear WWV on his
    S-38 RX I got a 2 piece Telegraph Set.

    Hey, I think that the first receiver I owned for ham radio was a S-38
    but it was broad as a barn door so it was only an intermediate step
    while I built myself a 14 tube double conversion superhet.

    BTW, talking about output power I forgot that I still have a Heathkit
    HA-24 PA with the HP-24 AC-power supply. It's useless however since the
    pair of 872B's are "finito" probably because of overdriving with a Drake
    TR-4c.

    But I didn't think of typing the 'Sounds' when I used the Underscore
    and Period characters on the keyboard to 'send my GRIN message'.

    The underscore is a very poor substitute for a dash. Two underscores
    join each other so you have to look real close if that is intended as
    one or two dashes.

    I also remember seeing a Morse Code Chart on a page in my older
    brothers Boy Scout book, and probably if I had joined the Scout's I
    would had been introduced to hearing the sounds of the Code instead

    I've never been a Boy Scout even though I at one time was interested in
    the concept and I really don't recall where I got this love for morse
    but when I was called in for military duty (while living in Finland) I
    had already started in a amateur radio license course so I asked for a placement in a signal corps battalion and where placed there.

    ... if u cn rd ths u 2 cn thnk up shrt clvr tglns

    I prefer to send tag lines that anybody can understand, not only us
    weird types called hams, hi.

    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Wed Jun 25 17:17:00 2014
    06-24-14 11:16 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about Storage

    @MSGID: <53A9F73D.623.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    Greetings Ed!
    Howdy! Roy,
    -snip-
    GM Ed,

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    --. is easier to read than __. = don't have to use the shift
    key either.

    Note the small space between the -- vs the non existant space
    here __.

    .... .- ...- . .- -.. .- -.-- -.-.--

    I prefer using the Shifted Underscore Key because to me, using the
    Hyphen Key makes the Morse Characters looks like they are being sent
    with a Frequency-Shift Keyer for CW instead of turning the Oscillator
    On and Off with a Telegraph Key.

    . = Low Tone

    - = High Tone

    I still would prefer using the J-38 Key with the Plastic Base reversed
    on the Key by removing the Two Screws, reversing the Base and
    re-fastening the Two Screws.

    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the J-38
    Key.

    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Wed Jun 25 22:57:00 2014
    06-25-14 13:26 Roy Witt wrote to Holger Granholm about Storage

    @MSGID: <53AB48BD.629.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    @REPLY: <53AAA701.626.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    Greetings Holger!

    Today, CW is a lost art, with less and less amateurs able to copy
    it.

    I didn't know it before but now I do. I'm an art lover, I love Morse.

    You are a dying breed. I learned morse to get a novice ticket
    c1970, then had to give up AR for a few years for lack of
    money, only to have to go through the testing again for another
    novice ticket, c1977. Got on the air to practice morse in a

    Howdy! Roy,

    I didn't know the Novice License was Re-Newable.
    'Twasn't when I got mine.

    I know You're sure glad You could get a Novice License again.

    Ham Radio has lots of different areas to interest us Hams.
    We all don't do the same thing, but We Do It as Amateur Radio Operators
    and Enjoy what We Do.

    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my mind of
    how many participate in CW Contests?
    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost art or
    not, don't You think?
    73
    NNNN

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Thu Jun 26 06:51:00 2014

    Years before my Junior High School friend let me hear WWV on his
    S-38 RX I got a 2 piece Telegraph Set.

    Hey, I think that the first receiver I owned for ham radio was a S-38
    but it was broad as a barn door so it was only an intermediate step
    while I built myself a 14 tube double conversion superhet.

    That was my First Reciever also.
    I have a Kenwood R-1000 now but do not do too much listening anymore.
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Thu Jun 26 06:54:00 2014

    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the J-38 EV>Key.

    I have a Vibroplex also. Shows I was serious about learning Code but it
    just did not work out for me.
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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Ed Vance on Thu Jun 26 13:05:50 2014
    Greetings Ed!

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    --. is easier to read than __. = don't have to use the shift
    key either.

    Note the small space between the -- vs the non existant space
    here __.

    .... .- ...- . .- -.. .- -.-- -.-.--

    I prefer using the Shifted Underscore Key because to me, using the
    Hyphen Key makes the Morse Characters looks like they are being sent
    with a Frequency-Shift Keyer for CW instead of turning the Oscillator
    On and Off with a Telegraph Key.

    In a printed medium such as this, the spacing is what makes or breaks your morse. i.e. your D reads like an R. __. vs --. where the latter shows
    enough of a space between Dahs to recognize the character.

    . = Low Tone

    Dit - high tone

    - = High Tone

    Dah - low tone

    I still would prefer using the J-38 Key with the Plastic Base
    reversed on the Key by removing the Two Screws, reversing the Base
    and re-fastening the Two Screws.

    I never used any speed aides, I was able to send faster than I could read
    with a regular key.

    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the
    J-38 Key.

    I had a Vibroplex key, but gave it to somebody who had a better use for it
    than I did.

    NNNN

    ... I just figured out PI to the seventy-fifth decimal place.

    PI are the last two letters of my original Advanced call. KB6PI

    ... Kissed By Six Pretty Indians

    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Ed Vance on Thu Jun 26 13:13:34 2014
    Greetings Ed!

    You are a dying breed. I learned morse to get a novice ticket
    c1970, then had to give up AR for a few years for lack of
    money, only to have to go through the testing again for another
    novice ticket, c1977. Got on the air to practice morse in a

    I didn't know the Novice License was Re-Newable.
    'Twasn't when I got mine.

    Twasn't when I got my first one either. WN6ABE expired in 1972...the FCC changed the rules sometime in-between 1972 and 1977 and they issued me
    WD6DOI as a Novice...

    I know You're sure glad You could get a Novice License again.

    It was the difference between being tested by my Elmer and paying a visit
    to the FCC office in San Diego. It meant a Novice ticket vs a Technician ticket.

    Ham Radio has lots of different areas to interest us Hams.
    We all don't do the same thing, but We Do It as Amateur Radio
    Operators and Enjoy what We Do.

    Yeup.

    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my mind of
    how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a Novice, then a Technician and finally a General.

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost art or
    not, don't You think?

    It might help to clean up some of the man-made noisy interfence on the
    phone bands.


    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Roy Witt on Thu Jun 26 09:20:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-25-14, Roy Witt said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Roy,

    I didn't know it before but now I do. I'm an art lover, I love Morse.

    You are a dying breed.

    Yes I know, if nothing else happens age will do it.

    My interests lay more in building antennas than being on the cw
    portions of the HF bands.

    Until I started my own business I was a very active electronics builder
    making my own receivers, transmitters and control/measuring equipment.
    Needless to say, I've never bought an antenna.

    Did that as a boy scout in the 50s. I knew morse code at the age of
    13. Teens aren't that interested in morse or radio as much as they
    are girls at that age.

    That wasn't a distraction for me. I had a girlfriend in the teens who
    later became my wife and co-operator as OH2QJ and then OH0ND/OH0YL.

    I admit that I have lost at least the paragraph copying because of
    not having trained that in a long time but it will come back with training.

    I suspect that my HF rig, Kenwood TS520 bought c1977, has blown some
    pwr supply caps as it has blown the fuse when turning it on.

    Yeah, that's a common problem with old equipment.

    CU L8ER,

    Holger

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Mike Luther on Thu Jun 26 11:37:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-25-14, Mike Luther said to Holger Granholm:

    I've mentioned this before but I'll do it again.

    Hi Mike,

    I admit that I have lost at least the paragraph copying because of not having trained that in a long time but it will come back with training.

    Getting faster and faster at it, at least for me when I got my first
    ham license as WN5WQN in 1952, was VERY easy ......

    Our whole family is hugely musically oriented. I'd learned Morse
    Code from 78RPM records mu Uncle Billy sent me from Erie,

    Yes it helps very much if you have a musically minded brain.

    seven years old. It hit me. The steam loco whistle dah dah dit dah
    for crossing a road from the engineer was the letter "Q" and dit dit
    was to start forward was the letter "I" and dit dit dit was the
    letter "S".

    The musical sound of a CQ is among the first letter combination you
    learn. There are however several different learning methods based on
    different theories. I'm not shure any more but IRC the course I started
    before being called in to military duty started with the EISH5 letters.

    POOF! I started converting all the traffic street sign letters to
    Morse Code as I drove along to practice going Morse Code faster and
    faster! Then I began doing that for all kinds of signs while I was
    driving! My Dad was FURIOUS when he discovered I actually could get
    my Model A Ford to go 75MPH with it's 21 inch wheels! And after
    several months of this trick I was was WAY over 25 or 30 WPM at what
    I could do on CW.

    I never did that but learned by listening. When I got up to speed I
    built a single paddle electronic keyer to keep the fatique away.

    Later on, I could use a keyboard to get to 50-60 WPM on the air, but
    also with my complete computer controlled entire station operations

    I have never actually used a keyboard for sending even though I built
    one from a QST article to be used with my Sinclair ZX-81 computer but
    that one was succeeded by a CP/M computer and I never made another
    attempt to redesign or construct another keyboard.


    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:102/401 to ROY WITT on Fri Jun 27 08:00:00 2014

    I know You're sure glad You could get a Novice License again.

    It was the difference between being tested by my Elmer and paying a visit RW>to the FCC office in San Diego. It meant a Novice ticket vs a Technician RW>ticket.

    I rembember those days. They were in a waterfront building down by the
    end of Broadway.


    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my mind of how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a Novice, then a RW>Technician and finally a General.

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost art or not, don't You think?

    According to me Juny QST there wil be 17 contests in July with a CW
    section. 12 of those will be CW only

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tom Walker on Fri Jun 27 09:16:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-26-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Tom,

    Hey, I think that the first receiver I owned for ham radio was a S-38

    That was my First Reciever also.
    I have a Kenwood R-1000 now but do not do too much listening
    anymore.

    My main transceiver is a Drake TR7 but I still, after many years, miss
    the TR4c that I sold. In addition I have a Yaesu (Sommerkamp) FT-290R
    with a 144 MHz to HF transverter. Several other VHF/UHF transceivers and
    and transverters needed at my caravan site and for portable expeditions.

    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Fri Jun 27 16:21:00 2014
    06-25-14 09:29 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53ABF883.632.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    In a message dated 06-23-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Howdy! Holger,

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    .... .. . -..
    TKS or is it TNX that's used on CW?

    Years before my Junior High School friend let me hear WWV on his
    S-38 RX I got a 2 piece Telegraph Set.

    Hey, I think that the first receiver I owned for ham radio was
    a S-38 but it was broad as a barn door so it was only an
    intermediate step while I built myself a 14 tube double
    conversion superhet.

    My Friends S-38 was either the C or D model, I got the E model in 1958.

    BTW, talking about output power I forgot that I still have a
    Heathkit HA-24 PA with the HP-24 AC-power supply. It's useless
    however since the pair of 872B's are "finito" probably because
    of overdriving with a Drake TR-4c.

    I'm not familiar with the HA-24 RF AMP, I'll hafta go look through my collection of Heath catalogs to refresh my memory.
    Later: I looked through several Heathkit catalog issues but never seen
    mention of either the HA-24 or the HP-24, guess I will have to go to
    a Search Site to find out.

    When I read about your 872B problem I was 'thinking' the tube was a
    Triode or Tetrode and couldn't find any info on it while rambling thru
    the Transmitting Tubes pages in the back of my 1976 A.R.R.L. Radio
    Amateur's Handbook.
    So I flipped a few pages towards the front of the book and located the
    page in the Index To Vacuum Tube Types for the 872A/872 and learned that
    the tube is a Rectifier.

    Wow! that 872B can handle 1 1/4 Amps of Current MAX at 10,000 Volts!

    I remember seeing the RCA ad on the back of QST issues for their 3B28
    Xenon Gas Rectifier tube and suggesting to a Ham Friend to try putting
    Two of those in his Viking Valiant TX, since Two different times he had
    to replace both 4-Pin Tube Sockets on the chassis for the 866 Rectifier
    Tubes because of them arcing over, and maybe (???) having to replace
    the 866 tubes(???).

    Even though the 3B28's costs several times more than 866's did, he put
    them in and those tubes solved his problems.

    If there is any Xenon Gas Rectifier Tubes simular to the 872B MV tube,
    like the 3B28 is to the MV 866's, I'd think that would be something to consider.

    But I didn't think of typing the 'Sounds' when I used the Underscore
    and Period characters on the keyboard to 'send my GRIN message'.

    The underscore is a very poor substitute for a dash. Two
    underscores join each other so you have to look real close if
    that is intended as one or two dashes.

    There I go thinking again, years ago when I learned to type while I was
    in the Navy I thought the underscore looked better since it was on the
    same level as the period was when I typed them on a sheet of paper.

    In a later message either from You or Roy I was able to see the
    difference in the small gap between two hyphens and two underscores
    typed together.
    There IS A Difference! but you know how it is with the old saying that
    it's hard to learn an old dog a new trick.

    I also remember seeing a Morse Code Chart on a page in my older
    brothers Boy Scout book, and probably if I had joined the Scout's I
    would had been introduced to hearing the sounds of the Code instead

    I've never been a Boy Scout even though I at one time was
    interested in the concept and I really don't recall where I got
    this love for morse but when I was called in for military duty
    (while living in Finland) I had already started in a amateur
    radio license course so I asked for a placement in a signal
    corps battalion and where placed there.

    ... if u cn rd ths u 2 cn thnk up shrt clvr tglns

    I prefer to send tag lines that anybody can understand, not
    only us weird types called hams, hi.

    Or weird users of .QWK Readers for BBS messages. I'm Both!

    * MR/2 2.30 * I'm not lost! I'm "locationally challenged."

    Speaking of "locationally challenged", Your mention of being in Finland
    when You went into the Army, made me wonder if You are Finnish and
    moved to Ahvenanmaa?
    (I found that word just now with the WordWeb Dictionary) hi 73
    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Fri Jun 27 17:18:00 2014
    06-26-14 13:05 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about Storage

    @MSGID: <53AC9A3B.635.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    Greetings Ed!
    Howdy! Roy,

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    __. ._. .. _.

    <BG> is easier written and read, hi.

    --. is easier to read than __. = don't have to use the shift
    key either.

    Note the small space between the -- vs the non existant space
    here __.

    Thanks, I couldn't remember who wrote that to me while I was writing a
    Reply to Holger.

    .... .- ...- . .- -.. .- -.-- -.-.--

    I prefer using the Shifted Underscore Key because to me, using the
    Hyphen Key makes the Morse Characters looks like they are being sent
    with a Frequency-Shift Keyer for CW instead of turning the Oscillator
    On and Off with a Telegraph Key.

    In a printed medium such as this, the spacing is what makes or
    breaks your morse. i.e. your D reads like an R. __. vs --.
    where the latter shows enough of a space between Dahs to
    recognize the character.

    D typed my way, _.. R. would look like, ._. .

    Oh!, I think You meant "your G" instead "your D" above???

    . = Low Tone

    Dit - high tone

    - = High Tone

    Dah - low tone

    I didn't know of a FSK CW Standard when I chose what Tone for the Morse
    Code Elements.

    I saw Your line of CW as a period being lower in elevation than the
    hyphen was, so I assigned the Tones as they looked to me on my screen.

    I still would prefer using the J-38 Key with the Plastic Base
    reversed on the Key by removing the Two Screws, reversing the Base
    and re-fastening the Two Screws.

    I never used any speed aides, I was able to send faster than I
    could read with a regular key.

    A J-38 Key is IIRC a Military Number for a Hand Key, I'm surprised that
    You thought it was a "speed aid".

    The Plastic? (Phenolic?, Bakelite?) Base the Key was mounted on allowed
    the Knob on the Key Lever to extend over the operating table, instead
    of over the Base, and to use the Key to send CW I would have to hold
    the other end of the Key down so it wouldn't flip up and down when I
    was sending CW.

    I learned of a 'Tip' to reverse the Base so the Knob would be over some
    of the Base and I wouldn't have to hold the Key down when I used it,
    the 'Tip' IIRC was printed in a A.R.R.L. Book called "Hints and Kinks".

    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the
    J-38 Key.

    I had a Vibroplex key, but gave it to somebody who had a better
    use for it than I did.

    I thought of building an Accu-Keyer and getting a Key for it, but never
    did.

    ... I just figured out PI to the seventy-fifth decimal place.

    PI are the last two letters of my original Advanced call. KB6PI

    ... Kissed By Six Pretty Indians

    I've used Zero Intelligence Quotient, Washers Screws and Bolts and now
    Old Dirty Rat (or Oldsmobile Dodge and Ramblers).
    73
    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Fri Jun 27 18:25:00 2014
    06-26-14 09:20 Holger Granholm wrote to Roy Witt about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53AD4A02.637.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    In a message dated 06-25-14, Roy Witt said to Holger Granholm:
    Howdy! Holger,
    I suspect that my HF rig, Kenwood TS520 bought c1977, has blown some
    pwr supply caps as it has blown the fuse when turning it on.

    Yeah, that's a common problem with old equipment.

    While I was in the Ham Shack I glanced at my Log and the last time I
    fired up my TS-520S was in 2001 while it was still connected to the
    20M antenna.

    I suppose I could give it a "Smoke Test" by loading it in the Heathkit Cantenna.

    * MR/2 2.30 * Smoke signals: The dawn of digital
    communications.

    Yep!, That's the truth!
    73
    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to TOM WALKER on Fri Jun 27 18:27:00 2014
    06-26-14 06:54 TOM WALKER wrote to ED VANCE about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53AC9A39.634.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the J-38
    Key.

    I have a Vibroplex also. Shows I was serious about learning
    Code but it just did not work out for me.

    Howdy! Tom,

    I looked at the bottom of my Vibroplex and it is a Champion model.

    I bought it in 1961 at a Amateur Radio Store in Oakland, CA.
    I got the Bug Case there too.
    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Fri Jun 27 18:27:00 2014
    06-26-14 13:13 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about Storage

    @MSGID: <53AC9A3B.636.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    Greetings Ed!
    Howdy! Roy,
    -snip-
    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my mind of
    how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a
    Novice, then a Technician and finally a General.

    I was asked to keep the Log beside a High Speed CW OT OP the first
    Field Day I participated in after I got back home from the Navy.

    The Op would ask me, "did You get that?" and I say "sure".

    That went on for a few contacts and when I told him when I was in Navy
    Radioman School my CW RCVing Speed got up to 26WPM, after I told him
    that he never ask me anything again except if the station he was
    calling was a Dupe contact.
    They gave me a Flip-Top Telephone Index for a Dupe Log, to write the
    Call Signs down of the Stations we already worked on that frequency,
    and usually I'd let him know if the Station had already been worked
    before he'd have the chance to ask me.

    Back when I listened to the W1AW Code Practice audio a few months ago,
    I found out how rusty I was at copying High Speed CW.

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost art or
    not, don't You think?

    It might help to clean up some of the man-made noisy interfence
    on the phone bands.

    I'd say have everyone go back to using AM then. hi
    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Fri Jun 27 19:15:00 2014
    06-25-14 09:29 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53ABF883.632.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    In a message dated 06-23-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Holger ... ._ __ ,

    .... .. . -..
    Howdy! Again Holger,
    -snip-
    BTW, talking about output power I forgot that I still have a
    Heathkit HA-24 PA with the HP-24 AC-power supply. It's useless
    however since the pair of 872B's are "finito" probably because
    of overdriving with a Drake TR-4c.

    I just finished my Search for Heathkit HA-24.

    I Found out Your AMP is a HA-14 using 572B's.

    That reveals to me that You use the Numeric Keypad. snicker
    (I do too).

    Triodes do work better in a RF AMP than Rectifiers don't they???? ??
    73
    NNNN

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Sun Jun 29 09:48:46 2014


    Hey, I think that the first receiver I owned for ham radio was a S-38

    That was my First Reciever also.
    I have a Kenwood R-1000 now but do not do too much listening
    anymore.

    My main transceiver is a Drake TR7 but I still, after many years, miss
    the TR4c that I sold. In addition I have a Yaesu (Sommerkamp) FT-290R
    with a 144 MHz to HF transverter. Several other VHF/UHF transceivers and
    and transverters needed at my caravan site and for portable expeditions.

    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

    My base units consist of a Kenwood TS-130, TS-440 and a TS-50
    the Mobile units are a Kenwood TR-7730 144M, Icom IC-2330A 144/220 and a
    Alinco DR-635 144/440
    Plus an assortment of handhelds for 144/220/440

    Tom
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Sun Jun 29 09:57:10 2014
    06-26-14 06:54 TOM WALKER wrote to ED VANCE about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53AC9A39.634.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the
    J-38
    Key.

    I have a Vibroplex also. Shows I was serious about learning
    Code but it just did not work out for me.

    Howdy! Tom,

    I looked at the bottom of my Vibroplex and it is a Champion model.

    I bought it in 1961 at a Amateur Radio Store in Oakland, CA.
    I got the Bug Case there too.

    Mine is a Vibroplex Classic No 43094

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sun Jun 29 12:05:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-27-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    While I was in the Ham Shack I glanced at my Log and the last time I
    fired up my TS-520S was in 2001 while it was still connected to the
    20M antenna.

    I suppose I could give it a "Smoke Test" by loading it in the
    Heathkit Cantenna.

    * MR/2 2.30 * Smoke signals: The dawn of digital
    communications.

    Yeah, do that and you'll get back to the dawn of digital communications.

    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tom Walker on Mon Jun 30 09:27:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-29-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tom,

    My base units consist of a Kenwood TS-130, TS-440 and a TS-50
    the Mobile units are a Kenwood TR-7730 144M, Icom IC-2330A 144/220
    and a Alinco DR-635 144/440
    Plus an assortment of handhelds for 144/220/440

    Yeah, I know that Kenwood makes excellent kitchen machines <BG>.

    CU AGN,

    Holger

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Mon Jun 30 15:19:00 2014
    06-29-14 12:05 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53B13E82.650.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    In a message dated 06-27-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    While I was in the Ham Shack I glanced at my Log and the last time I
    fired up my TS-520S was in 2001 while it was still connected to the
    20M antenna.

    I suppose I could give it a "Smoke Test" by loading it in the
    Heathkit Cantenna.

    * MR/2 2.30 * Smoke signals: The dawn of digital
    communications.

    Yeah, do that and you'll get back to the dawn of digital
    communications.

    Howdy! Holger,

    While I was searching for the HEATHKIT Catalog I flipped the Power
    Switch and the Filament Switch on the TS-520S to ON.

    After finding that 1967 catalog I loaded up the XCVR to the Cantenna.

    It dipped to 200 ma CW in the IP Meter Position and I didn't SEE or
    SMELL any Smoke in the Ham Shack.
    73
    NNNN

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Tue Jul 1 07:53:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-29-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tom,

    My base units consist of a Kenwood TS-130, TS-440 and a TS-50
    the Mobile units are a Kenwood TR-7730 144M, Icom IC-2330A 144/220 HG>TW> and a Alinco DR-635 144/440
    Plus an assortment of handhelds for 144/220/440

    Yeah, I know that Kenwood makes excellent kitchen machines <BG>.

    Actually the 3 kenwood units were gifts so the price was rignt.
    the Kenwood mobile is really ond. It is a TRUE FM unit with me repeater capability not PL tones. BUT was great for simplex emergency
    communications when I was into that for a local Group.
    I had a hitch mount with a 10 foot mast and a 10 foot 144 antenna.
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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Ed Vance on Tue Jul 1 13:08:34 2014
    Greetings Ed!

    In a printed medium such as this, the spacing is what makes or
    breaks your morse. i.e. your D reads like an R. __. vs --.
    where the latter shows enough of a space between Dahs to
    recognize the character.

    D typed my way, _.. R. would look like, ._. .

    (slaps forhead)

    -.. is a D, .-. is an R...(memory lapse is my excuse)

    Oh!, I think You meant "your G" instead "your D" above???

    -.. . .-. --- -.-- - .... .. ... .. ... .- --. (G).


    . = Low Tone

    Dit - high tone

    - = High Tone

    Dah - low tone

    I didn't know of a FSK CW Standard when I chose what Tone for the
    Morse Code Elements.

    I saw Your line of CW as a period being lower in elevation than the
    hyphen was, so I assigned the Tones as they looked to me on my
    screen.

    I used the way they would sound vs what they looked like.

    I still would prefer using the J-38 Key with the Plastic Base
    reversed on the Key by removing the Two Screws, reversing the Base
    and re-fastening the Two Screws.

    I never used any speed aides, I was able to send faster than I
    could read with a regular key.

    A J-38 Key is IIRC a Military Number for a Hand Key, I'm surprised
    that You thought it was a "speed aid".

    I no longer have a key, but I do remember the military type of key, which
    is what I used, exclusively.

    The Plastic? (Phenolic?, Bakelite?) Base the Key was mounted on
    allowed the Knob on the Key Lever to extend over the operating table, instead of over the Base, and to use the Key to send CW I would have
    to hold the other end of the Key down so it wouldn't flip up and down
    when I was sending CW.

    I fixed that problem by mounting the key to a 1/2" thick brass plate with rubber feet.

    I learned of a 'Tip' to reverse the Base so the Knob would be over
    some of the Base and I wouldn't have to hold the Key down when I used
    it, the 'Tip' IIRC was printed in a A.R.R.L. Book called "Hints and Kinks".

    You could have done as I did, but instead use old wheel weights (lead and antimony) to make yourself a mounting plate.

    I have a Vibroplex Bug too but found out I send better CW with the
    J-38 Key.

    I had a Vibroplex key, but gave it to somebody who had a better
    use for it than I did.

    I thought of building an Accu-Keyer and getting a Key for it, but
    never did.

    ... I just figured out PI to the seventy-fifth decimal place.

    PI are the last two letters of my original Advanced call. KB6PI

    ... Kissed By Six Pretty Indians

    I've used Zero Intelligence Quotient, Washers Screws and Bolts and
    now Old Dirty Rat (or Oldsmobile Dodge and Ramblers). 73

    WN6ABE - ?
    WD6DOI - Washed Down 6 Dirty Old Indian (and more)
    N6AGT - Number 6 After Giving Two
    K6RXT - see next
    K5RXT - King 5 Really Xtra Terrific

    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Wed Jul 2 16:11:00 2014
    07-01-14 13:08 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about Storage

    @MSGID: <53B331BC.655.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    Howdy! Roy,
    -snip-
    . = Low Tone

    Dit - high tone

    - = High Tone

    Dah - low tone

    I didn't know of a FSK CW Standard when I chose what Tone for the
    Morse Code Elements.

    I saw Your line of CW as a period being lower in elevation than the
    hyphen was, so I assigned the Tones as they looked to me on my
    screen.

    I used the way they would sound vs what they looked like.

    I used Audio Frequency Shift Morse Code on HF SSB to ID my station.

    On HF SSB I listened to a W1AW RTTY broadcast and adjusted the Mark and
    Space Pots on my 'Rube Goldberg' Audio RTTY Demodulator until the two
    LEDs lit up and I could see Text being printed on my TV set screen.

    Then, while still in RX Mode, IIRC I would adjust the Pots for the Mark
    and Space Tones on my 'Rube Goldberg' Audio Frequency Shift Oscillator
    to light up the LED for Mark on the Demodulator with the Key UP, and
    the LED for Space with the Key DOWN.

    When the W1AW broadcast was over I switch to TX and typed a line for
    CQ , my Call Sign and typed K at the end and got answered by someone
    and had my first HF RTTY QSO.

    I have no idea what frequency I had set the Pots on the AFSK Osc for,
    I just matched the tones of what worked to receive the W1AW broadcast.
    At least the Shift was 850 cps and to me that is all that mattered.

    IIRC the lower tone is used for the Space and the higher tone is Mark.
    -snip-
    The Plastic? (Phenolic?, Bakelite?) Base the Key was mounted on
    allowed the Knob on the Key Lever to extend over the operating table, instead of over the Base, and to use the Key to send CW I would have
    to hold the other end of the Key down so it wouldn't flip up and down
    when I was sending CW.

    I fixed that problem by mounting the key to a 1/2" thick brass
    plate with rubber feet.

    I learned of a 'Tip' to reverse the Base so the Knob would be over
    some of the Base and I wouldn't have to hold the Key down when I used
    it, the 'Tip' IIRC was printed in a A.R.R.L. Book called "Hints and Kinks".

    You could have done as I did, but instead use old wheel weights
    (lead and antimony) to make yourself a mounting plate.

    I'm a cheap LID Roy, Brass cost $$$$$$ , using a screwdriver to loosen
    the two screws holding the key to the base, and to tighten them back
    just cost me a little energy. <GRIN>
    73
    NNNN

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Wed Jul 2 21:38:00 2014
    In a message dated 06-30-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    It has been a busy day today so that's why I continue with echo mail now

    Also we had a taste of summer with 17° C so I made a 10 km scandinavian
    walk dressed in shorts and shortsleeved shirt.

    For tomorrow we have varying forecasts between 14° and 21° in the
    afternoon so the meteos have covered themselves, hi.

    I suppose I could give it a "Smoke Test" by loading it in the
    Heathkit Cantenna.

    Yeah, do that and you'll get back to the dawn of digital
    communications.

    While I was searching for the HEATHKIT Catalog I flipped the Power
    Switch and the Filament Switch on the TS-520S to ON.

    After finding that 1967 catalog I loaded up the XCVR to the
    Cantenna.

    It dipped to 200 ma CW in the IP Meter Position and I didn't SEE or
    SMELL any Smoke in the Ham Shack.

    To make the smoke test you don't even have to connect a dummy load.
    The HV is normally highest while the transceiver is idling because the
    HV is there all the time while the final tubes are only cut-off by the
    grid bias.

    You was lucky that no smoke emerged but don't feel safe yet. It may come
    next time you switch on the transceiver. Normally, starting up old tubes
    you should let only the filaments on (at reduced voltage ) fopr several
    hours to burn away the gases that have leaked in because the glass seals
    for the tube element wires are not air tight.

    Then switch on the HV while feeding a reduced (via a variac) mains
    voltage to the transmitter to let the electrolytics recover from a long
    hiatus. After that the mains supply voltage may be slowly increased
    while smelling for smoke or listening for arcing.


    73
    NNNN

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    CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

    Holger
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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tom Walker on Wed Jul 2 21:38:00 2014
    In a message dated 07-01-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tom,

    Yeah, I know that Kenwood makes excellent kitchen machines <BG>.

    Actually the 3 kenwood units were gifts so the price was rignt.

    For that price you can certainly use them as long as you wish and not
    even be sad if they go west.

    the Kenwood mobile is really ond. It is a TRUE FM unit with me
    repeater capability not PL tones. BUT was great for simplex
    emergency communications when I was into that for a local Group.

    None of my handhelds do have PL nor CTC tones. My mobile rig, a FT-290
    all mode transceiver doesn't fit into my present car so I use a hand-
    held to a mobile magnet mount antenna onthe middle of the roof.

    CU L8ER,

    Holger

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Thu Jul 3 07:41:00 2014

    None of my handhelds do have PL nor CTC tones. My mobile rig, a FT-290 HG>all mode transceiver doesn't fit into my present car so I use a hand- HG>held to a mobile magnet mount antenna onthe middle of the roof.

    All of my Handhelds do. My Favorate is the Yaesu FT-530 because I picked
    up a 10 cell akaline battery holder for it giving me the fill 5 watt
    capability
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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tom Walker on Fri Jul 4 09:38:00 2014
    In a message dated 07-03-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tom,

    All of my Handhelds do. My Favorate is the Yaesu FT-530 because I
    picked up a 10 cell akaline battery holder for it giving me the fill
    5 watt capability

    I've got a 5-cell alkaline cassette for my Standard C-111 (jap.) but
    haven't yet got an alkaline holder for my Icom IC-90.

    CUL,

    Holger

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Fri Jul 4 10:17:00 2014
    07-02-14 21:38 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Storage

    @MSGID: <53B53308.658.amtradio@capcity2.synchro.net>
    In a message dated 06-30-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,
    GM Holger,

    It has been a busy day today so that's why I continue with echo
    mail now

    Also we had a taste of summer with 17. C so I made a 10 km
    scandinavian walk dressed in shorts and shortsleeved shirt.

    Glad to hear the WX has improved in Your area.
    WX here is in the 59F/15C to 79F/25C range today and expected to reach
    88F/31C B4 Sunday Night when we have a chance of Rain.

    For tomorrow we have varying forecasts between 14. and 21. in
    the afternoon so the meteos have covered themselves, hi.

    I think "the WXman makes a new forecast every hour".
    But that's their job.

    I suppose I could give it a "Smoke Test" by loading it in the
    Heathkit Cantenna.

    Yeah, do that and you'll get back to the dawn of digital
    communications.

    While I was searching for the HEATHKIT Catalog I flipped the Power
    Switch and the Filament Switch on the TS-520S to ON.

    After finding that 1967 catalog I loaded up the XCVR to the
    Cantenna.

    It dipped to 200 ma CW in the IP Meter Position and I didn't SEE or
    SMELL any Smoke in the Ham Shack.

    To make the smoke test you don't even have to connect a dummy
    load. The HV is normally highest while the transceiver is
    idling because the HV is there all the time while the final
    tubes are only cut-off by the grid bias.

    You was lucky that no smoke emerged but don't feel safe yet. It
    may come next time you switch on the transceiver. Normally,
    starting up old tubes you should let only the filaments on (at
    reduced voltage ) fopr several hours to burn away the gases
    that have leaked in because the glass seals for the tube
    element wires are not air tight.

    I was thumbing through those Heathkit Catalogs about 35 minutes before
    I tuned up the rig.

    I saw the comment You wrote to Tom about gases leaking into old tubes,
    I never heard of that b4, Thanks for sharing that.

    Then switch on the HV while feeding a reduced (via a variac)
    mains voltage to the transmitter to let the electrolytics
    recover from a long hiatus. After that the mains supply voltage
    may be slowly increased while smelling for smoke or listening
    for arcing.

    Yes, it is better to be safe than sorry.
    I hadn't thought of starting out with a lower A.C. Voltage.
    I may have a Variac, can't remember for sure, but think I got one at a
    Ham Radio Flea Market a long time ago but never used it for anything.

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Sat Jul 5 09:10:00 2014
    Hi Tom,

    All of my Handhelds do. My Favorate is the Yaesu FT-530 because I
    picked up a 10 cell akaline battery holder for it giving me the fill HG>TW> 5 watt capability

    I've got a 5-cell alkaline cassette for my Standard C-111 (jap.) but HG>haven't yet got an alkaline holder for my Icom IC-90.

    When i was active in an Emergency Communications net I would buy the
    "AA" batteries in the 40 cell pack. Always had two packs in ready
    reserve.

    I also had a Group 29 Lead Acid Battery for home use of my Alinco Mobile
    unit. On low power it would power the mobile unit for a little over 10
    days
    Just berfore dropping out of Ham Radio I was considering getting a 45
    watt solar panel set to for charging the battery

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tom Walker on Sun Jul 6 09:36:00 2014
    In a message dated 07-05-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    GM Tom,

    I also had a Group 29 Lead Acid Battery for home use of my Alinco
    Mobile unit. On low power it would power the mobile unit for a
    little over 10 days

    I have a portable 12V power pack consisting of two 8 A/h batteries
    installed into an old 1 gallon plastic oil container. It's nice to have
    a carrying handle. They are mostly used for 10 GHz hilltop operations.

    CU AGN,

    Holger

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to HOLGER GRANHOLM on Mon Jul 7 06:19:00 2014

    I also had a Group 29 Lead Acid Battery for home use of my Alinco
    Mobile unit. On low power it would power the mobile unit for a
    little over 10 days

    I have a portable 12V power pack consisting of two 8 A/h batteries HG>installed into an old 1 gallon plastic oil container. It's nice to have
    a carrying handle. They are mostly used for 10 GHz hilltop operations.

    I modified a Automobile Jump Starter unit into a portable power supply
    tor the group I used to work with. I picked that particualr unit because
    it had a trickle charger base it sits in when not in use.
    It had an internal 15 A/h battery in it. I removed the jumper cables
    and installed a power pole connector and a digital volt meter. It was
    good for about 24 hours running a 5 watt unit.
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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Ed Vance on Mon Jul 7 15:36:30 2014
    Greetings Ed!

    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my mind
    of how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a
    Novice, then a Technician and finally a General.

    I was asked to keep the Log beside a High Speed CW OT OP the first
    Field Day I participated in after I got back home from the Navy.

    c1960?

    The Op would ask me, "did You get that?" and I say "sure".

    That went on for a few contacts and when I told him when I was in
    Navy Radioman School my CW RCVing Speed got up to 26WPM, after I told
    him that he never ask me anything again except if the station he was calling was a Dupe contact. They gave me a Flip-Top Telephone Index
    for a Dupe Log, to write the Call Signs down of the Stations we
    already worked on that frequency, and usually I'd let him know if the Station had already been worked before he'd have the chance to ask
    me.

    CW conversations are fun. But I never got that excited about them.

    Back when I listened to the W1AW Code Practice audio a few months
    ago, I found out how rusty I was at copying High Speed CW.

    Heh! Sometimes I have a hard time copying the IDer on a repeater and have
    to listen to it a couple of times to get it. Now that's rusty!

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost art
    or not, don't You think?

    It might help to clean up some of the man-made noisy interfence
    on the phone bands.

    I'd say have everyone go back to using AM then. hi

    Unnnn, that would only add to the noise...

    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to TOM WALKER on Mon Jul 7 15:41:13 2014
    Greetings TOM!


    I know You're sure glad You could get a Novice License again.

    It was the difference between being tested by my Elmer and paying a
    visit to the FCC office in San Diego. It meant a Novice ticket vs a
    Technician ticket.

    I rembember those days. They were in a waterfront building down by
    the end of Broadway.

    That's what I had heard, but was never there. I did visit their offices
    after they moved to La Mesa? on University or EC Blvd.

    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my
    mind of how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a Novice,
    then a Technician and finally a General.

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost
    art or not, don't You think?

    According to me Juny QST there wil be 17 contests in July with a CW section. 12 of those will be CW only

    Wonderful. If you listen in on those, see if you can pick out K6XT...he'll
    no doubt be in the extra bands.


    Have a day!

    R\%/itt - K5RXT

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Holger Granholm on Tue Jul 8 00:48:00 2014
    07-06-14 09:36 Holger Granholm wrote to Tom Walker about Re: Storage

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    In a message dated 07-05-14, Tom Walker said to Holger
    Granholm:

    GM Tom,

    I also had a Group 29 Lead Acid Battery for home use of my Alinco
    Mobile unit. On low power it would power the mobile unit for a
    little over 10 days

    I have a portable 12V power pack consisting of two 8 A/h
    batteries installed into an old 1 gallon plastic oil container.
    It's nice to have a carrying handle. They are mostly used for
    10 GHz hilltop operations.

    Holger and Tom,

    You All talking about Batteries reminded me of a Ham I know who said he
    had a Belt he could wear that had a Gel Cell Battery on one side and a
    Regency HR-2 on the other side of the belt that he could go Portable
    with.

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ROY WITT on Tue Jul 8 07:23:00 2014
    I know You're sure glad You could get a Novice License again.

    It was the difference between being tested by my Elmer and paying a RW>> visit to the FCC office in San Diego. It meant a Novice ticket vs a RW>> Technician ticket.

    I rembember those days. They were in a waterfront building down by
    the end of Broadway.

    That's what I had heard, but was never there. I did visit their offices RW>after they moved to La Mesa? on University or EC Blvd.

    the only reason I knew about it is because during my First Enlistment I
    decided to get my 1st Class RadioTtelephone licence so I could get a job
    in that field after getting out.
    I got a chance to get into the Navy Submarine Nuclear Power Program and re-enlisted so that goal died.
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Tue Jul 8 07:28:00 2014
    GM Tom,

    I also had a Group 29 Lead Acid Battery for home use of my Alinco Mobile unit. On low power it would power the mobile unit for a
    little over 10 days

    I have a portable 12V power pack consisting of two 8 A/h
    batteries installed into an old 1 gallon plastic oil container.
    It's nice to have a carrying handle. They are mostly used for
    10 GHz hilltop operations.

    Holger and Tom,

    You All talking about Batteries reminded me of a Ham I know who said he EV>had a Belt he could wear that had a Gel Cell Battery on one side and a EV>Regency HR-2 on the other side of the belt that he could go Portable EV>with.

    I rembember those. They got the Idea from the Remote TV Truck people.
    They have belt mounted battery packs for their TV camera men
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Tue Jul 8 13:12:00 2014
    07-07-14 15:36 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about Storage

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    Greetings Ed!
    Howdy! Roy,

    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my mind
    of how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a
    Novice, then a Technician and finally a General.

    I was asked to keep the Log beside a High Speed CW OT OP the first
    Field Day I participated in after I got back home from the Navy.

    c1960?

    Yep!, it was on Field Day in 1963.

    The Op would ask me, "did You get that?" and I say "sure".

    That went on for a few contacts and when I told him when I was in
    Navy Radioman School my CW RCVing Speed got up to 26WPM, after I told
    him that he never ask me anything again except if the station he was calling was a Dupe contact. They gave me a Flip-Top Telephone Index
    for a Dupe Log, to write the Call Signs down of the Stations we
    already worked on that frequency, and usually I'd let him know if the Station had already been worked before he'd have the chance to ask
    me.

    CW conversations are fun. But I never got that excited about
    them.

    I've said this B4, so please bear with me again:

    "when about 6 Hams going to the same High School (most of them Novices,
    and a couple of Generals) decided to have a 80M CW Round Table QSO on a Saturday Morning with a request that no one tries to send faster than
    everyone in the QSO can copy easily.".

    I was a Novice in 1959, and That Round Table QSO Was One Of My Most
    Precious Memories of Amateur Radio I've had in ALL my Years of being
    Licensed as an Amateur Radio Operator.

    A few months later Al Hall K4CSH came down on 3720 Kcs to find out if
    any of us there were interest in starting up a Traffic Net on that
    frequency that the old Kentucky Novice Net (KNN) used to be held on.

    Several of us were interested and Al invited us to his QTH to get
    acquainted with each other and to learn more about Handling Message
    Traffic.

    I was a KNN Member (also Net Control Station one day a week) until I
    left for Navy Boot Camp.

    Back when I listened to the W1AW Code Practice audio a few months
    ago, I found out how rusty I was at copying High Speed CW.

    Heh! Sometimes I have a hard time copying the IDer on a
    repeater and have to listen to it a couple of times to get it.
    Now that's rusty!

    Practice makes perfect, and when I listened to that High Speed CW XMSN
    on that day, I found out I wasn't perfect.

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost art
    or not, don't You think?

    It might help to clean up some of the man-made noisy interfence
    on the phone bands.

    I'd say have everyone go back to using AM then. hi

    Unnnn, that would only add to the noise...

    AM Hams know how to Zero Beat some ones signal so everyone is On Freq.

    Unless I actually know what someones Voice Sounds Like when I am
    listening to them talk on SSB I never can Tune them in correctly.

    When I bought my first SSB Rig it HAD to have a RIT Circuit in it
    because I didn't want to start Creepine Up or Down the Band with the
    Main Tuning Knob when I was talking to someone on SSB, as i had heard
    happening many times before when I was just listening to Sidebanders
    having a QSO and noticed when they replied to someone during the QSO
    that the frequency the stations were using kept changing and changing.

    If Manufacturers would put a Carrier Control Knob on the Front Panels
    of their SSB gear so at the start of a QSO a station could Increase the
    Carrier just enough so the other station(s) could Zero Beat it,
    and then Reset the Control to the Minimum position,
    I'd think it would be of Great Help for the person on the Receiving End
    to know what that Ham he was talking to sounded like.

    I know my opinions ouly count with Me and Me Only.
    73 es thanks for reading.
    NNNN

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105.1 to Roy Witt on Tue Jul 8 14:05:00 2014
    07-07-14 15:41 Roy Witt wrote to TOM WALKER about Storage

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    -snip-
    As I have been reading this Thread the thought has come to my
    mind of how many participate in CW Contests?

    I've done that with a DX group. They were Extras, I was a Novice,
    then a Technician and finally a General.

    I'd think that would be a fair way to find out if CW is a lost
    art or not, don't You think?

    According to me Juny QST there wil be 17 contests in July with a CW section. 12 of those will be CW only

    Wonderful. If you listen in on those, see if you can pick out
    K6XT...he'll no doubt be in the extra bands.

    Howdy! Roy,

    If I listened for K6XT in the Extra Band I would just be a SWL because
    I couldn't Work Him.

    I never liked the Polarization the A.R.R.L. Created amongst Amateur
    Radio Operators when They suggested Incentitive Licensing to the F.C.C.
    And The F.C.C. Regulations Segmented General Class from Advanced Class
    from Amateur Extra Class on the High Frequency Bands.

    When They did that They Were NOT Serving The Amateur Radio Community!

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tom Walker on Tue Jul 8 09:24:00 2014
    In a message dated 07-07-14, Tom Walker said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Tom,

    I modified a Automobile Jump Starter unit into a portable power
    supply tor the group I used to work with. I picked that particualr
    unit because it had a trickle charger base it sits in when not in
    use. It had an internal 15 A/h battery in it. I removed the jumper
    cables and installed a power pole connector and a digital volt
    meter. It was good for about 24 hours running a 5 watt unit.

    I don't want to have any extra weight to carry along with the parabolic
    dish, transceiver and the tripod for the dish. The transverter for the
    10 GHz band is mounted behind the dish and the 144 MHz transceiver for
    the IF is a Yaesu/Sommerkamp FT-290.

    All that has to be carried uphill and/or to a position that is free from obstructions, preferably in a single trip.

    Have a nice day,

    Holger

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ROY WITT on Thu Jul 10 10:33:00 2014

    [FCC offices]

    That's what I had heard, but was never there. I did visit their
    offices after they moved to La Mesa? on University or EC Blvd.

    the only reason I knew about it is because during my First Enlistment
    I decided to get my 1st Class RadioTtelephone licence so I could get
    a job in that field after getting out. I got a chance to get into the Navy Submarine Nuclear Power Program and re-enlisted so that goal
    died.

    Which of the two paid more on the outside, once you did get out?


    I never bothered to check as is my working life I was more interested in Personal Satisfaction than the money.
    And I got the Perfect Job for that when I did retire from the navy in
    1971 by working at the local VA Medical Center in the Engineering
    Department. My responsibility was care and maintenance of Critical Care
    Patient Monitoring equipment.
    The Feeling of having done something significant is worth FAR more
    than money.

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  • From Mike Luther@1:117/100 to Holger Granholm on Sun Jul 20 08:18:50 2014
    Hi Hol(y) Ham Man!

    The more and more I hear the 'news' these days, the more it drills into me the absolute positive relationship that Ham Radio has had on the whole human tribe.
    Even, chuckle, if you go back to the beginning of that and think with Re-Morse!

    The musical sound of a CQ is among the first letter combination you
    learn. There are however several different learning methods based on different theories. I'm not shure any more but IRC the course I started before being called in to military duty started with the EISH5 letters.

    I have never actually used a keyboard for sending even though I built
    one from a QST article to be used with my Sinclair ZX-81 computer but
    that one was succeeded by a CP/M computer and I never made another
    attempt to redesign or construct another keyboard.

    Morse Code is, yes, a digital way of getting information from our brains across
    even the whole world, chuckle. One of the most impressive moments of my life as a kid was when I had extended my RF power on 40 meter CW from a 6L6 to an 807, then to an 811 and up to the first 4-250. It was in the dark hours back in my shack room to the dark hours on the other of the Earth. Behind our garage
    on a very quiet none noisy dark night I was being a bug boy with a good friend of mine in Perth Australia. The conditions on 40 Meters were so good that morning/evening both of us had S9 signals on each end. I was curious; how low power could I go and he would still be able to hear me? We did a 'little' experiment.

    I started reducing my power and sending him the power level on CW and he'd come
    back and tell me he could still hear me. Down, down, down it went. I was STUNNED. It was a dark moon night; only starlight outside under my 40 meter dipole up 30 feet in the air. I got down to ONE WATT output power.

    HE COULD STILL HEAR ME!

    Both of us were totally shocked! After we parted company in that QSO, I was so
    stunned with what I had learned however I realized I'd better get ready for my morning newspaper boy run on my Cushman Motor Scooter. I had to do that every morning just to even have money to eat. As I walked out the door to go get started on that, I had my five cell battery flashlight in my hand in the very dark night. It hit me!

    The wattage of that flashlight bulb was about one watt! I froze in my walk out
    in the back yard, shaking. I looked up into the dark clear sky at the stars and pointed the flashlight up into the sky. I pushed the button turn-on switch
    on the light and sent Morse Code 'CQ" up into the sky toward Perth, looking at how little up into the sky that one watt beam was able to go! That's as far as
    a one watt beam could be seen in light? Yet a one watt beam on 40 meter CW could be heard in Perth, Australia from College Station, Texas in the USA? Then it really hit me! There really is something bigger than all of this on this Earth, no matter what culture or tribe you belong to Mike.

    But wait! If there were a thousand people even all over not
    Austrailia but even out on the ocean of an many other countries
    even THEY could hear me even with a ONE WATT communications
    'Call-to-Quarters'. Even 'Call-to-Quarters-Distress'. Or SOS.

    But Mike, not only for things of distress. Also as to how to hide not only a few letters that took the place of words to reach out for help to even thousands of people in maybe in need, from even a tiny force that nobody might even understand of the power it had. So that I could continue even more toward
    my purpose here on this Earth as I even knew from my family training and actions even fron three or four years of age. To carry everyone upward I encounter with the highest possible choice for decisions they make and never poke folks in the side to lie, cheat and steal from them. Though it is perfectly honest to make a fair profit on what you do in life.

    And look where Ham Radio has gone now! BYOD, BFOM, plus all even bad this and that, together with even encryption of letter codes that can be done even though they look neat to unaware folksee's.

    But interestingly, even Fido can still do a very important honorable job of caring for people and carrying even all of us upward in life without poking people in the side. Even back to ring level and interrupt level code that can Dis And Dat even all over the whole Earth for thousands of people to hear in good weather. At even a watt or two of power. From Ham Radio remote sites on CW even on a few watts around the world. If you want it to. And the HAARP ain't playing, chuckle. Or the Chemtrails ain't moosing the Ions around our Sphere.


    Mike Luther N117C at 1:117/100

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Mike Luther on Mon Jul 21 09:44:00 2014
    In a message dated 07-20-14, Mike Luther said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Mike,

    The musical sound of a CQ is among the first letter combination you
    learn. There are however several different learning methods based on different theories. I'm not shure any more but IRC the course I started before being called in to military duty started with the EISH5 letters.

    Even though I later in my life pioneered SSB in Finland and Aland
    Islands I'm still a morse addict. I have built transmitters for AM, FM
    and SSB and receivers and add ons to both types.

    power on 40 meter CW from a 6L6 to an 807, then to an 811 and up to
    the first 4-250.

    In the beginning of my ham career 50 Wo was the limit so I started with
    the combo 6F6 - 807 on an old tube receiver chassis. Later that power
    limit was raised so I started to build a 4' rack with a hefty PS at the
    bottom floor, next up was to be an AM modulator with 2x807 and on top a
    4-65A PA.

    In the mean time I had built an SSB exciter and suddenly an AM modulator
    wasn't an interesting prospect anymore so it was never built.

    Then the power limit was raised to 1 kW PEP and we moved to other living quarters and the 4' rack became junk and I bought a Heathkit HA-14 PA
    and the AC supply HP-23. Now that one is removed from duty since the
    tubes (2x572B) have suffered from overdriving on mainly RTTY.

    My main rig today is a Drake TR-7 plus an assortment of VHF/UHF/SHF rigs

    I was curious; how low power could I go and he would still be able
    to hear me? We did a 'little' experiment.

    I got down to ONE WATT output power.

    HE COULD STILL HEAR ME!

    Both of us were totally shocked! After we parted company in that
    QSO, I was so stunned with what I had learned however I realized I'd
    better get ready for my morning newspaper boy run on my Cushman

    Yes, miracles do happen, hi.

    But interestingly, even Fido can still do a very important honorable
    job of caring for people and carrying even all of us upward in life
    without poking people in the side. Even back to ring level and
    interrupt level code that can Dis And Dat even all over the whole
    Earth for thousands of people to hear in good weather. At even a
    watt or two of power. From Ham Radio remote sites on CW even on a
    few watts around the world. If you want it to. And the HAARP ain't playing, chuckle. Or the Chemtrails ain't moosing the Ions around
    our Sphere.

    Yes, Fido is very important but it also shares its use with other duties
    and hobbies.

    Mike Luther N117C at 1:117/100

    For a moment I thought that you had a new call sign, maybe you do have.
    The one I recall was W5WQN and I haven't read anywhere that USA would
    have started using the N1 prefix.

    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger

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