Here is a recent post by George Conway, the husband of Trump's ardent spokeswoman. The two of them are about as far apart in their political
views as possible.

From George Conway:
[quote]
"For Trump supporters, let me make one thing VERY clear!

For the record NO ONE is blaming the President for the virus. Let me
repeat. Coronavirus is not Trump's fault.

Here's a detailed list of what we are blaming him for:

* Trump declined to use the World Health Organization's test like other nations. Back in January, over a month before the first Co-vid19 case,
the Chinese posted a new mysterious virus and within a week, Berlin
virologists had produced the first diagnostic test. By the end of
February, the WHO had shipped out tests to 60 countries. Oh, but not our government. We declined the test even as a temporary bridge until the
CDC could create its own test. The question is why? We don't know but
what to look for is which pharmaceutical company eventually manufactures
the test and who owns the stock. Keep tuned.

* In 2018 Trump fired Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossart, whose job
was to coordinate a response to global pandemics. He was not replaced.

* In 2018 Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC director for medical and
bio-defense preparedness left the job. Trump did not replace Dr. Borio.

* In 2019 the NSC's Senior Director for Global Health Security and
bio-defense, Tim Ziemer, left the position and Trump did not replace the
Rear Admiral.

* Trump shut down the entire Global Health Security and Bio-defense
agency. Yes, he did.

* Amid the explosive worldwide outbreak of the virus Trump proposed a
19% cut to the budget of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention
plus a 10% cut to Public Health Services and a 7% cut to Global Health Services. Those happen to be the organizations that responds to public
health threats.

* In 2018, at Trump's direction, the CDC stopped funding epidemic
prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries including China.

* Trump didn't appoint a doctor to oversee the US response to the
pandemic. He appointed Mike Pence.

* Trump has on multiple occasions sowed doubt about the severity of the
virus even using the word hoax at events and rallies. He even did it at
an event where the virus was being spread. Trump has put out zero useful information concerning the health risks of the virus.

* Trump pretended the virus had been contained.

* Trump left a cruise ship at sea for days, denying them proper hospital
care, rather than increase his numbers in America.

Repeat. We do not blame Trump for the virus. We blame him for gutting
the nation's preparations to deal with it. We blame him for bungling
testing and allowing it to spread uninhibited. We blame him for wasting taxpayer money on applause lines at his rallies (like The Wall). We
blame him for putting his own political life over American human life. I
hope this clears things up."
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Here's a detailed list of what we are blaming him for:

It's TDS Dale - You're not blaming him for the virus but you're blaming him
for the outcome of the virus.

All that stuff you called him out for just now - why didn't you call him out for those things as they happened? You're kinda as guilty as he is.

I suggest keeping a positive attitude - Trump's not superman, neither was
Obama or Bush. Blaming him for all your problems doesn't pull you out of a
bad situation.

What would you do if you you tripped over a piece of coal that was lying on
the street? Blame Trump because he opened the coal industry back up?

Not trying to insult you - but think positive - we'll get through this corona virus situation somehow - and by being vigilant and understanding - having compassion for others - being innovative like so many other Americans.

I got a nosebleed this morning - but that wouldn't have happened if Trump didn't have 4 wives, right?

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spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What Trump didn't do <=-

Here's a detailed list of what we are blaming him for:

It's TDS Dale - You're not blaming him for the virus but you're
blaming him for the outcome of the virus.

By George, I think you are finally understanding the truth.

All that stuff you called him out for just now - why didn't you call
him out for those things as they happened? You're kinda as guilty as he is.

I am not the one that made that list, but since you read it -- you know
that. I am not sure that he was not called out about it then. But in
any case -- he is the one who did those things, not me and not George
Conway.

I suggest keeping a positive attitude - Trump's not superman, neither
was Obama or Bush. Blaming him for all your problems doesn't pull you
out of a bad situation.

I am not blaming him (or anyone else) for any of my problems. I am
simply pointing out the truth about what he did. Had he not done those
things, the country would be in better shape now.

What would you do if you you tripped over a piece of coal that was
lying on the street? Blame Trump because he opened the coal industry
back up?

You are really grasping at straws. Get real.

Not trying to insult you - but think positive - we'll get through this corona virus situation somehow - and by being vigilant and
understanding - having compassion for others - being innovative like so many other Americans.

I have done that in my past career. I only which that Trump would show
just a little bit of that empathy and compassion. How often has he
expressed compassion for those who have lost their lives?

I got a nosebleed this morning - but that wouldn't have happened if
Trump didn't have 4 wives, right?

When did Trump dump Melania?

Dale Shipp
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On 03 Apr 2020 at 11:31a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

Here's a detailed list of what we are blaming him for:

It's TDS Dale - You're not blaming him for the virus but you're blaming him for the outcome of the virus.

We are, rightly, blaming him for failure to act in a useful,
coordinated way.

The only "TDS" I see is his supporters, who continue to extol
all he does while refusing to hold him to any sort of account
for his myriad failures.

All that stuff you called him out for just now - why didn't you call him out for those things as they happened? You're kinda as guilty as he is.

People did. Repeatedly. You dumb hicks all "haw hawed" it
in your vapid echo chamber. Bravo.

I suggest keeping a positive attitude - Trump's not superman, neither was Obama or Bush. Blaming him for all your problems doesn't pull you out of
a bad situation.

You can't pray the pandemic away. I suggest action. The
first step is acknowledging that there is a problem.

Once again, deflection to Bush or Obama isn't useful.

What would you do if you you tripped over a piece of coal that was lying on the street? Blame Trump because he opened the coal industry back up?

This asshole had three years to fix whatever shortcomings
he saw in the previous administration's preparedness for
the pandemic he was warned about repeatedly. Instead, he
dismantled the infrastructure that could have helped
avert the current disastrous trainwreck of a response.

The blame for this sits squarely on Trump's shoulders.
Period.

Not trying to insult you - but think positive - we'll get through this corona virus situation somehow - and by being vigilant and understanding
- having compassion for others - being innovative like so many other Americans.

Is "think positive" _really_ your answer? You're joking,
right? How about not screwing around with the national
stockpile web site to fit Kushner's narrative, a move that
would make Orwell proud? How about actually trying to
lead and govern?

That'll never happen from Trump, though. He's too
incompetent and spiteful to actually lead Americans in a
coherent way to address the current challenge.

It's no mistake that the _first_ time he encountered a
major crisis the country fell apart on his watch.

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We are, rightly, blaming him for failure to act in a useful,
coordinated way.

What's "useful" and "coordinated" mean? What's "failure to act" mean?

If we lived in North Korea, I guess you'd have the leader you desire -
because only in a country like that can the president tell everyone to stay inside their homes "or else I'll kill ya."

What would you have done different from Trump if you were president?

The only "TDS" I see is his supporters, who continue to extol
all he does while refusing to hold him to any sort of account
for his myriad failures.

I swear, I just love the crap out of this president. I never liked him until
he started his campaign for president. I don't care for the downstate accent, but it makes me feel good to see so many promises delivered from a president
- something I have NEVER seen before in my lifetime. Presidents are only 1/3
of the puzzle, this guy has solved a handful of the issues that matter to me. More than I can say about any other president.

You were in the military - for that I appreciate you and your political opinion, but you're being very general and vague about your grievances with Trump.

Once again, deflection to Bush or Obama isn't useful.

You have a point there. But it's kinda hurtful when, for the first time ever,
a president has done stuff for me personally, and other people don't
appreciate it. Hating Trump won't get you anywhere - don't vote for him then. But you should be grateful that you've got a president who is devoting his
life to the defense of the same country you put your life on the line for
years prior.

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that. I am not sure that he was not called out about it then. But in
any case -- he is the one who did those things, not me and not George

Ok, the president screwed something up. How do we adapt?

simply pointing out the truth about what he did. Had he not done those things, the country would be in better shape now.

We don't have a time machine - so what do we do now then? bash the president?

understanding - having compassion for others - being innovative like many other Americans.

I have done that in my past career. I only which that Trump would show

Come on man - can't be innovative anymore "because Trump..."

I can't get it up anymore - because Trump took my blue pills away..

I can't fix coronavirus because Trump won't point guns at citizens to demand they stay inside.

Let's rework this train of thought:

I can fix coronavirus by getting my state officials to get police to step up the patrols and keep people out of public.

or

I will do everything I can to fight coronavirus by doing research on other viruses & trying to check things other researchers may have accidentally
passed over.

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On 05 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

But you should be grateful that you've got a president who
is devoting his life to the defense of the same country you put your
life on the line for years prior.

Well Said.

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On 05 Apr 2020 at 02:06p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

We are, rightly, blaming him for failure to act in a useful, coordinated way.

What's "useful" and "coordinated" mean? What's "failure to act" mean?

"We have it very much under control in this country."
Donald Trump, Feb 23, 2020

If we lived in North Korea, I guess you'd have the leader you desire - because only in a country like that can the president tell everyone to stay inside their homes "or else I'll kill ya."

"Now, the virus that we're talking about having to
do - you know, a lot of people think that goes away
in April with the heat - as the heat comes in.
Typically, that will go away in April. We're in
great shape. We have 12 cases -- 11 cases, and
many of them are in good shape now."
Donald Trump, Feb. 14, 2020

What would you have done different from Trump if you were president?

"No, I don't take any responsibility at all."
Donald Trump - Mar. 13, 2020 (Friday the 13th!)

I swear, I just love the crap out of this president. I never liked him until he started his campaign for president. I don't care for the downstate accent, but it makes me feel good to see so many promises delivered from a president - something I have NEVER seen before in my lifetime. Presidents are only 1/3 of the puzzle, this guy has solved a handful of the issues that matter to me. More than I can say about any other president.

"So we're at the low level. As they get better, we
take them off the list, so that we're going to be pretty
soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or
two people over the next short period of time. So we've
had very good luck."
Donald Trump - Feb 26, 2020

You were in the military - for that I appreciate you and your political opinion, but you're being very general and vague about your grievances with Trump.

"No, I'm not concerned at all. No, we've done a great job
with it."
Donald Trump - Mar. 7, 2020

You have a point there. But it's kinda hurtful when, for the first time ever, a president has done stuff for me personally, and other people
don't appreciate it. Hating Trump won't get you anywhere - don't vote
for him then. But you should be grateful that you've got a president who is devoting his life to the defense of the same country you put your
life on the line for years prior.

"So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu.
It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing
is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment
there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22
deaths. Thing about that!"
Donald Trump - Mar. 9, 2020

Now THAT's hurtful.

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On 05 Apr 2020 at 02:25p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

that. I am not sure that he was not called out about it then. But i any case -- he is the one who did those things, not me and not George

Ok, the president screwed something up. How do we adapt?

Military lesson: When the mission is fubar, it's the
commander's fault. Who's the commander?

simply pointing out the truth about what he did. Had he not done tho things, the country would be in better shape now.

We don't have a time machine - so what do we do now then? bash the president?

What do we do now? Invoke the 25th amendment and get
this turd out of the White House. Pence's first act
is to declare that he will not run for re-election to
head off the crazies who will think it's a coup and
head into the street with their rifles (to be slaughtered
by the police and military). His second act will be
to declare a national state of emergency and a 10 week
national lockdown. He announces a massive government
funding effort between research universities, government
and private industry to focus on a vaccine. He slashes
red tape a the FDA to get human trials of a COVID-19
vaccine fast-tracked. He throws open the gates to the
national stockpile to the states, on a need-basis.
He invites bipartisan legislation repatriating production
of military and medical critical supplies back to the
US. He invites Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnell to the
White House and makes them swear, publicly, that they
will prioritize a second economic rescue package
funding American workers with 80% of their salary for
the duration of the lockdown.

How's that for starters?

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On 05 Apr 2020 at 04:37p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

Well Said.

It would be if it were true.

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Hello Aaron,

that. I am not sure that he was not called out about it then. But in >DS>any case -- he is the one who did those things, not me and not George

Ok, the president screwed something up. How do we adapt?

Joe Biden to the rescue ...

simply pointing out the truth about what he did. Had he not done those >DS>things, the country would be in better shape now.

We don't have a time machine - so what do we do now then? bash the
president?

What for? With mail-in voting, no need to scream at anybody.

DS> AT> understanding - having compassion for others - being innovative like
DS> AT> many other Americans.
DS>
DS> I have done that in my past career. I only which that Trump would
show

Come on man - can't be innovative anymore "because Trump..."

It's not the ecomony, stupid. (with apologies to James Carville)

I can't get it up anymore - because Trump took my blue pills away..

Take the red pill.

I can't fix coronavirus because Trump won't point guns at citizens to demand
they stay inside.

The governor of Louisiana declared a state of emergency, and ordered
everybody to stay at home. There are 64 parishes in Louisiana. Only
residents of one parish (Orleans) adhered to the governor's call to
stay at home, receiving an `A' grade. The other 63 parishes got a
rating of `D' or `F'. This was shown by data collected from cell
phones.

Social distancing might sound like a good thing, and it really would
work if folks did what they are supposed to be doing. However, in
actual practice, most people are doing whatever they feel like. Not
just in Louisiana, but everywhere.

Let's rework this train of thought:

I can fix coronavirus by getting my state officials to get police to step up
the patrols and keep people out of public.

Not gonna work. We do not live in a fascist state. Or state
with an authoritarian leader who can order troops to do whatever
he wants. North Korea has no coronavirus cases. Ergo, no deaths
from COVID-19. There are a few other countries who are doing the
same thing so as not to have any coronavirus cases.

or
I will do everything I can to fight coronavirus by doing research on other
viruses & trying to check things other researchers may have accidentally passed over.

Just staying alive is going to be a problem.
At least for the vast majority of us.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

We are, rightly, blaming him for failure to act in a useful, >DC>coordinated way.

What's "useful" and "coordinated" mean? What's "failure to act" mean?

Needless deaths.

If we lived in North Korea, I guess you'd have the leader you desire - >because only in a country like that can the president tell everyone to stay
inside their homes "or else I'll kill ya."

There are no cases of coronavirus in North Korea - all thanks
to Dear Leader. IOW, he alone has saved them all.

What would you have done different from Trump if you were president?

The Orange One has met with Dear Leader. Three times. North Korea
has zero cases of coronavirus today. That should tell you something.

The only "TDS" I see is his supporters, who continue to extol
all he does while refusing to hold him to any sort of account
for his myriad failures.

I swear, I just love the crap out of this president. I never liked him until >he started his campaign for president. I don't care for the downstate
accent,
but it makes me feel good to see so many promises delivered from a president >- something I have NEVER seen before in my lifetime. Presidents are only 1/3 >of the puzzle, this guy has solved a handful of the issues that matter to
me.
More than I can say about any other president.

Mexico wants him to hurry up and finish building that wall.

You were in the military - for that I appreciate you and your political >opinion, but you're being very general and vague about your grievances with >Trump.

Trump called the coronavirus a `hoax' and that it would soon
`disappear like a miracle'. It is still here, and getting worse,
with lots of folks dying.

Once again, deflection to Bush or Obama isn't useful.

You have a point there. But it's kinda hurtful when, for the first time
ever,
a president has done stuff for me personally, and other people don't >appreciate it. Hating Trump won't get you anywhere - don't vote for him
then.
But you should be grateful that you've got a president who is devoting his >life to the defense of the same country you put your life on the line for >years prior.

I don't hate Trump. I do not know anybody else who does, either.
But he sure as heck is a lousy president. And incompetent.

--Lee

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How's that for starters?

The realistic parts of your plan sound really good!

You should trim the unrealistic stuff out though, so that way they take the valuable stuff seriously.

The unrealistic parts are this:

this turd out of the White House. Pence's first act
is to declare that he will not run for re-election to

and this:

funding American workers with 80% of their salary for
the duration of the lockdown.

But this all sounds truly excellent:

to declare a national state of emergency and a 10 week
national lockdown. He announces a massive government
funding effort between research universities, government
and private industry to focus on a vaccine. He slashes
red tape a the FDA to get human trials of a COVID-19
vaccine fast-tracked. He throws open the gates to the
national stockpile to the states, on a need-basis.
He invites bipartisan legislation repatriating production
of military and medical critical supplies back to the

I don't know the latest in research developments - but it would be good to
find out what's lacking. I've heard that there is "research being done" but I don't have any specific details on that. Are they spending enough on
research? If not, then that needs fixed..

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Mexico wants him to hurry up and finish building that wall.

That's good! They will love it once it's finished.

Trump called the coronavirus a `hoax' and that it would soon

He uses the word "hoax" a lot, but he never called the Coronavirus a "hoax."

`disappear like a miracle'. It is still here, and getting worse,

He's an optimistic person. Without optimism, what's left other than a
miserable existence?

But he sure as heck is a lousy president. And incompetent.

Incompetent at what??

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On 06 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

On 05 Apr 2020 at 04:37p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

Well Said.

It would be if it were true.

Tell us why it is not true.

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Hello Greg,

But you should be grateful that you've got a president who
is devoting his life to the defense of the same country you put your >AT>life on the line for years prior.

Well Said.

Your self-declared "Wartime President" is a chickenhawk.

Bone Spur Cadet cannot stand the sight of blood. Which is why
he got five deferments from having to serve in the US military.
Not that any branch wanted him.

In my view, what he should have done is volunteer. He would
have flunked the psych test, and then never have had to worry
about serving.

--Lee

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