• Re: War or Planefuls of

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Sat Jul 6 01:41:00 2019
    On 07-05-19 12:27, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Bob Ackley about War or Planefuls of <=-


    On 2019 Jul 05 11:12:36, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    They are not cockroaches. They are human beings.

    How many thousand of them are you *personally* going to feed and house?

    no one is personally feeding them, bob... so hop right off
    that stupid train, man... furrfu...

    What he said.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jul 6 01:42:02 2019
    On 07-05-19 14:02, Aaron Thomas <=-
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    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border

    That question has been answered too many times already. I'm starting
    to understand why people complain about repeat questions on
    stackoverflow.

    Why don't you try to give a simple and logical explanation as to what
    the difference is? Because I have not seen one.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jul 6 01:44:04 2019
    On 07-05-19 14:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."

    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why
    [not left out by mistake] do
    exactly that?

    Why not? Because they're sneaking in.

    "But Aaron, they're not sneaking in.."

    Correct. They walk in, surrender themselves to the border patrol and
    ask for asylum.

    Some are and some aren't. Many people are being smuggled in. Not using
    a port of entry. Or, using a port of entry, but in a concealed
    container.

    What is your source for that info. If they are being smuggled in, or in
    a concealed container -- then how did they end up in the cages of the
    border guard?

    90% of the people issued citations don't show up for court. Do we just ignore that, and act like the other 10% is what the conservatives are complaining about? (twist-a-roo?)

    Your source for that figure?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 6 01:53:06 2019
    On 07-05-19 21:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    <<SNIP>>

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in Upstate New York, not far from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first imigrants from your family?

    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border
    who are looking for asylum -- and are fleeing far worse conditions than the people who came in through Ellis Island.

    There is a "Yuge" difference, between those people who came to Ellis Island to be processed and then granted access into our country to
    make a better life for
    themselves and their families, my ancestors were among the
    tens of thousands of
    people who all had the same American dream.

    And the people coming from the south are doing exactly the same.


    They were not looking for a handout

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing from
    an intolerable situation.

    Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great Grandfather to Donald Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.

    And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the
    south?

    The only way the migrants - south of the border that you as well as
    others are so compassionate about would be similar to the folks who
    came to America via Ellis island is if they were to get in line to
    become citizens, the correct
    way.

    They are doing it in full accordance with the law which guarentees them
    the right to seek asylum.

    many of them from south of the border do bring crime,

    Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an unsupported claim. Almost all of them are seeking escape from the
    conditions in their country of origin.

    was the case with the bought and paid for the fake Russian Dossier, and called it Russian Collusion. Recently it was discovered that there is
    NO intel to support support such a allegation. (sounds about right and accurate. Made up just like I have been saying.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been proven
    false.

    They might appear to me to more human to me and even gain a bit of understanding and even be compassionate to their cause.
    If they did not violate U.S. Sovereignty.

    You are claiming that they have violated US Sovereignty, but most of
    them have simply come to the US Border patrol and asked for asylum. How
    is that a violation of US Sovereignty? It is what the USA law says that
    they are entitled to do.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 6 02:06:08 2019
    On 07-05-19 21:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants
    too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis
    Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."


    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

    Why wouldn't it work? Explain.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 6 10:15:49 2019
    Why don't you try to give a simple and logical explanation as to what
    the difference is? Because I have not seen one.

    Gregory Deyss <sp> gave one a couple messages ago, but ok..

    Immigrants coming through Ellis Island:
    Came legally without using a legal loophole
    Didn't sneak in through rivers or deserts
    Were subject to health screenings

    Illegal cockroaches coming through the southern border:
    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse
    Sneaking in through the Rio Grande or deserts
    Not subject to health screenings - tuberculosis is a-ok

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 6 13:26:05 2019
    On 06 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in Upstate New York, not f from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first imigrants from your family?

    I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were
    Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a handout.

    You really don't understand the cost associated for housing, health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footing the bill.

    Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great Grandfather to Dona Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.
    And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the south?

    They lack one very necessary ingredient, ambition.

    Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an unsupported claim. Almost all of them are seeking escape from the conditions in their country of origin.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five times.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been proven false.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to even write such
    a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 6 13:32:18 2019
    On 06 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-05-19 21:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants
    too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."


    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

    Why wouldn't it work? Explain.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people and claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 6 15:31:54 2019

    On 2019 Jul 06 13:32:18, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people and claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

    pro-filling?? dude, please... at least proof read your posts before hitting the
    send button :eyeroll:

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 6 15:02:25 2019
    Nice twist!

    Correct. They walk in, surrender themselves to the border patrol and
    ask for asylum.

    Some are and some aren't. Many people are being smuggled in. Not usin a port of entry. Or, using a port of entry, but in a concealed container.

    What is your source for that info. If they are being smuggled in, or in
    a concealed container -- then how did they end up in the cages of the border guard?

    Who's "they?" There are illegals who come to the USA and don't commit many other illegal offenses, and there are illegals who go on crime sprees.
    There's no "they do this" or "they do that," but breitbart says 9 out of 10 don't show up for hearings; illegals aren't dumb, they know how to exploit
    the USA.

    The USA has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world - but that's not printed in the travel brochures. We have thousands of our own citizens & residents in cages, many for misdemeanor offenses. Do we let foreigners get away with stuff that we don't let our own people get away with?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 6 15:06:31 2019
    handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing from
    an intolerable situation.

    Where's that evidence? What's "intolerable" from your perspective? Low wages? Crime in the neighborhood? There's none of that here in the USA, right?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Sat Jul 6 20:25:06 2019
    On 2019 Jul 06 15:02:24, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    but breitbart says [...]

    rly? :smh:

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jul 7 01:12:00 2019
    On 07-06-19 10:15, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Why don't you try to give a simple and logical explanation as to what
    the difference is? Because I have not seen one.

    Gregory Deyss <sp> gave one a couple messages ago, but ok..

    Immigrants coming through Ellis Island:
    Came legally without using a legal loophole
    Didn't sneak in through rivers or deserts
    Were subject to health screenings

    They are not sneaking in. They walk across, and immediately turn
    themselves into the border patrol for processing.

    If they do not get any health screening that is the fault of the border
    patrol, not them.

    Illegal cockroaches coming through the southern border:

    They are not cockroaches, they are human beings. Your use of
    denigrating terms does not diminish their plight.

    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse

    What loophole is that?

    Sneaking in through the Rio Grande or deserts

    See above. You repeated yourself.

    Not subject to health screenings - tuberculosis is a-ok

    So fix that. Give them a medical screening. And btw, tuberculosis is a
    lot more treatable today than it was back in the days of Ellis Island.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jul 7 01:29:02 2019
    On 07-06-19 13:26, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in
    Upstate New York, not f
    from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first immigrants from your family?

    I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

    Good for them. I still doubt that all of them had such a trade. Many
    of them were shareholders, making a meager living on the land.

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a handout.

    You really don't understand the cost associated for housing,
    health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming
    from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footing
    the bill.

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They
    will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once
    they are allowed to be documented.

    Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great
    Grandfather to Dona
    Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.

    BTW -- your quoting is messing up and makes it look like the above is
    from me. It is not.

    And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the south?

    They lack one very necessary ingredient, ambition.

    How on earth do you get that? If they had no ambition, they would not
    have made the journey.

    Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an unsupported claim. Almost all of them are seeking escape from the conditions in their country of origin.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the
    pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five
    times.

    OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus. It is not representative of the
    hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would
    like you to believe.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been proven false.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story
    out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to
    even write such a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said,
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven. Plus -- you are
    focusing on one salacious article out of many. Do I believe that one --
    not really. But if it is true, you can bet that the Russians have a
    tape to use as blackmail against Trump.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jul 7 01:32:04 2019
    On 07-06-19 13:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    On 06 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-05-19 21:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants
    too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."


    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

    Why wouldn't it work? Explain.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people
    and claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

    Crickets. And fix your quoting.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jul 7 01:34:06 2019
    On 07-06-19 15:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing from
    an intolerable situation.

    Where's that evidence? What's "intolerable" from your perspective? Low wages? Crime in the neighborhood? There's none of that here in the USA, right?

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Sun Jul 7 07:30:17 2019
    On 06 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jul 06 13:32:18, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people a claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and th would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would work.

    pro-filling?? dude, please... at least proof read your posts before hitting the send button :eyeroll:

    The word that I was thinking of was profiling... Happy?

    Whatever Mark? Spell check did not catch it. You're far from perfect, you
    have blundered before and made some mistakes too, but yet no one says
    anything to you. Why is that?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 7 08:33:39 2019
    On 07 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-06-19 13:26, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in
    Upstate New York, not f
    from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first immigrants from your family?

    I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

    Good for them. I still doubt that all of them had such a trade. Many
    of them were shareholders, making a meager living on the land.

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking fo handout.

    You really don't understand the cost associated for housing, health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footin the bill.

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once
    they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm vegetables. These people are just as concerned with more people coming here illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even cheaper labor.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five times.

    OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus. It is not representative of the hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would
    like you to believe.

    Was her life any less important? There are many hundreds of factual events that tell of, the tragic loss of life. The names are different but the outcome is the same of what happened to Kate.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of th "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been pro false.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to even write such a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said, much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it out.
    Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 7 08:42:12 2019
    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people and claim that the evil nation are racial profiling these people an there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

    Crickets.

    It always is crickets, because the left lacks understanding.
    This is a matter of selective choice.
    or is it something more; driven hatred for America itself, or is it just a lack of intelligence. Perhaps a bit of both.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 7 08:46:50 2019
    On 07 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-06-19 15:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing fr an intolerable situation.

    Where's that evidence? What's "intolerable" from your perspective? Lo wages? Crime in the neighborhood? There's none of that here in the US right?

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lack of parenting.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jul 7 15:05:38 2019

    On 2019 Jul 07 08:33:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to.
    Who do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat?
    They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare
    once they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm
    vegetables.

    no there's not... the majority are migrant workers... they travel from farm to farm during the seasons and generally go home during the winter to return the next planting and growing season so as to be ready when harvest time comes along...

    These people are just as concerned with more people coming here
    illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even
    cheaper labor.

    you have no clue...

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said,
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it out. Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one with a highly
    conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Real Programmers Don't Write Games.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jul 7 15:12:02 2019

    On 2019 Jul 07 08:46:50, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our
    gang and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lack
    of parenting.

    so when the crips and/or bloods come and tell you the above, are you going to pull the trigger on your kids and spouse or are you going to let the gang do it
    for you?

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... I am a fervent wine devotee and an outstanding parallel parker.
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 7 15:59:20 2019
    They are not sneaking in. They walk across, and immediately turn themselves into the border patrol for processing.

    I often fantasize about my neighbors coming over and serving me lobster tail and champagne. And sometimes I dream about Iran giving huge donations to my Catholic church. You & me both have wild imaginations!

    If they do not get any health screening that is the fault of the border patrol, not them.

    Be sure to let the border patrol know that they're not doing their job then.

    They are not cockroaches, they are human beings. Your use of
    denigrating terms does not diminish their plight.

    I'm not saying they're insects, but the way they scurry off into hiding from ICE is reminiscent of the days when I lived in a lousy, dirty apartment building.

    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse

    What loophole is that?

    The loophole is that the USA takes refugees. But the definition of "refugee"
    is lost in translation; the USA is referring to people who are coming from "oppressive" governments, but the word "oppressive" is basically the
    loophole. What's oppressive? There's a huge difference between oppression in the worst central american nation vs the worst in the world. Do we only care about central americans and nobody else?

    See above. You repeated yourself.

    We're on a never-ending loop. No matter how many times someone explains the difference between legal & illegal immigration to you, you still don't get it.

    So fix that. Give them a medical screening. And btw, tuberculosis is a lot more treatable today than it was back in the days of Ellis Island.

    The legal immigration system isn't broken; there's nothing to fix there. You want tuberculosis screenings for illegal immigrants? That doesn't fix the
    fact that they're jumping in line in front of applicants who aren't jumping
    on the loophole bandwagon.

    I'd rather have them screened for illegal immigration, drug smuggling, kidnapping, criminal background check in their home country, etc, and TB last.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 7 16:03:29 2019
    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They

    Once again, you're mixing and matching unlawful migrants with lawful ones. Seasonal farm workers are not illegal immigrants, or migrants whatsoever.
    They come with a job to do, they do it, and they go home. Don't disrespect
    them by tossing them in with the lowlives who jump the line in front of
    people who have invested money & integrity into their voyage to the USA.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 7 16:07:50 2019
    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    It's not tolerable, but it happens in the USA. Someone wouldn't be escaping that situation by coming here.

    How about "We're your government, and we think 100% of the children in that school are part of the resistance, so, we'll kill them all with toxic gas."

    Do you see the difference?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Mon Jul 8 07:01:47 2019

    These people are just as concerned with more people coming here illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even cheaper labor.

    you have no clue...

    Yeah I do have a clue and yes, what I have indicated is also the truth.
    You know why because some of the people who work in the fields were interviewed about this very real possibility of losing their jobs to cheaper labor and
    they have spoken words of concern.
    It's easy to understand why they would be concerned.

    Not enough people?
    When was the last time you went shopping for fruits and vegetables?
    The prices are not high and they have not skyrocketed due to a shortage. You're wrong plain and simple.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I sai
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it ou Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one with a highly conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    It's from the side, where truth lives.
    Just because you don't like what it says, does not make it wrong or not reputable. In fact I'm totally confident that history will show this is
    exactly what happened, but I know it is terribly inconvenient how the truth can get in the way of lies and liberal hate. Too bad...

    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Mon Jul 8 07:07:37 2019
    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang? It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lac of parenting.

    so when the crips and/or bloods come and tell you the above, are you
    going to pull the trigger on your kids and spouse or are you going to
    let the gang do it for you?

    Irrelevant, because I would not allow such events to take place, because it comes down to a choice; of where you live, how you live.
    The last time I checked there no thugs of this kind here in Schodack, N.Y.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 8 20:57:36 2019

    On 2019 Jul 08 07:01:46, you wrote to me:

    Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one
    with a highly conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    It's from the side, where truth lives.

    just like arseholes, everyone has their truth... that doesn't make it the real truth... especially when it is slanted to one side or the other... quit leaning! stand up straight and look at both sides so you get a valid picture down the middle... it isn't that hard to do...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Love may be blind, but marriage is a real eye-opener!
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 8 21:12:34 2019


    NOTE: i've added back Dale's relevant text that you so conveniently cut out...

    On 2019 Jul 08 07:07:36, you wrote to me:

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our
    gang and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is
    that tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called
    lack of parenting.

    so when the crips and/or bloods come and tell you the above, are you
    going to pull the trigger on your kids and spouse or are you going to
    let the gang do it for you?

    Irrelevant,

    it is not irrelevant...

    because I would not allow such events to take place,

    you can't stop them from moving into the neighborhood and/or taking it over...

    because it comes down to a choice; of where you live, how you live.

    right... i grew up in a middle-class neighborhood... our windows and doors were
    always open... everyone knew everyone else in the neighborhood and we all yelled out when we freely entered each others' homes to visit... now every house there has bars on the windows... all the doors are locked and most of them are steel... the crips and bloods live around every corner... you can't always tell but if you know what to look for, you can see their colors...

    The last time I checked there no thugs of this kind here in Schodack,
    N.Y.

    i know where it is... i've been through there a time or two... maybe 15000 residents, now... what some would call a "small town"... either way, you have a
    limited horizon if you can't see this coming...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... So many bytes, so few cps.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 8 01:48:00 2019
    On 07-07-19 08:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once
    they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm
    vegetables. These people are just as concerned with more people coming here illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even cheaper labor.

    Who do you think are doing those jobs now? I would venture to say that
    most of them are undocumented workers. Not only in that agriculture
    industry either. Recently they found out that Trump had many
    undocumented workers at his golf courses, probably doing the jobs that
    no one else wanted and making less than minimal wage at that.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five times.

    OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus. It is not representative of the hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would
    like you to believe.

    Was her life any less important?

    Of course not. But as I said, her murderer was one of hundreds of
    thousands of undocumented aliens. But it is one instance in the
    hundreds of murders that take place every day.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to even write such a thing, but that is what hate
    and rage is all about.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said, much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it
    out. Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    Sorry, you lose. To start with, that article does not prove that any
    part of the dossier is false. It also makes statements about it use by
    the FBI which have been proven false. If you read the words and style
    of writing, it sounds very much like either Limbaugh or Hannity. But
    given the web site it is on, I'm not surprised.

    It is *NOT* a reputable article, and does not prove that any part of the document is false.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 8 01:49:02 2019
    On 07-07-19 08:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lack
    of parenting.

    What would you have done given such a choice? And it is not erroneous.
    Those are some of the reports of why families are fleeing north.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tue Jul 9 07:13:10 2019
    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one
    with a highly conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    It's from the side, where truth lives.

    just like arseholes, everyone has their truth... that doesn't make it
    the real truth... especially when it is slanted to one side or the other... quit leaning! stand up straight and look at both sides so you
    get a valid picture down the middle... it isn't that hard to do...

    Truth is truth, even in the northeast 2+2=4, it adds up is what I am saying.
    I much prefer this version, because the other version has no basis in fact. When you examine it, clearly there are lies and vile hated from the
    delusional left. It is quite evident, it's disturbing, and very disgusting.

    Besides everyone in America as well as around the world has seen the antics
    of the Democratic cast of characters, lunatics all.
    People like Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters, who was calling for out right violence at public places where Trump supporters were. (Get in their faces) Remember that? Let's not forget Pencil Neck Adam Schiff who was punked by Russian comedians https://tinyurl.com/yxoex8ay

    Tell me, why should I be interested in anything that the left has to say.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jul 9 11:05:56 2019

    On 2019 Jul 09 07:13:10, you wrote to me:

    It's from the side, where truth lives.

    just like arseholes, everyone has their truth... that doesn't make it
    the real truth... especially when it is slanted to one side or the
    other... quit leaning! stand up straight and look at both sides so
    you get a valid picture down the middle... it isn't that hard to
    do...

    Truth is truth, even in the northeast 2+2=4, it adds up is what I am saying. I much prefer this version, because the other version has no
    basis in fact. When you examine it, clearly there are lies and vile
    hated from the delusional left. It is quite evident, it's disturbing,
    and very disgusting.

    let me put this in perspective for you, ok??

    Truth is truth, even in the northeast 2+2=4, it adds up is what I am
    saying. I much prefer this version, because the other version has no
    basis in fact. When you examine it, clearly there are lies and vile
    hated from the delusional right. It is quite evident, it's disturbing,
    and very disgusting.


    Tell me, why should I be interested in anything that the left has to say.

    why should anyone be interested in what you and those on the right have to say?

    stop and think about what you are saying... there's so much that is damned near
    exactly what the other sides are saying yet you can't even see that... that's really what's evident, disturbing and disgusting...

    blinders! blinders! get your blinders here!

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tue Jul 9 20:09:56 2019
    stop and think about what you are saying... there's so much that is
    damned near exactly what the other sides are saying yet you can't even
    see that... that's really what's evident, disturbing and disgusting...


    blinders! blinders! get your blinders here!

    Ditto Mark, I would say the same to you.
    The difference is I can prove that I have good reason for following the efforts and the success of Donald Trump as President.
    All you have to do is navigate your web browser to
    https://tinyurl.com/y5l6mc8f

    In addition the the Democrats that I have previously mentioned that you have conveniently removed with your reply, (yeah those people) help the Presidents re-election efforts every time they open up their mouth or pull a
    political stunt, just as Maxine Waters was telling her thug supporters to get into the faces of Trump supporters where ever they may be.

    Is this what you believe in and support?
    You're cheering for the wrong ball club..

    In addition every single Democratic hopeful running for President was asked a question if they would support free health care for all of the illegals, everyone of these lost souls raised their hand, in a show of support.
    Is that what you think the American people want?

    The Democratic Party is out of touch, and will lose again to Donald Trump.

    One does not need to have insight like Nostradamus, to make such a prediction.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jul 9 20:17:45 2019
    On 08 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-07-19 08:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Wh do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? Th will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm vegetables. These people are just as concerned with more people comin here illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even cheaper labor.

    Who do you think are doing those jobs now? I would venture to say that most of them are undocumented workers. Not only in that agriculture industry either. Recently they found out that Trump had many
    undocumented workers at his golf courses, probably doing the jobs that
    no one else wanted and making less than minimal wage at that.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down t pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported fiv times.

    OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus. It is not representative of th hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would like you to believe.

    Was her life any less important?

    Of course not. But as I said, her murderer was one of hundreds of thousands of undocumented aliens. But it is one instance in the
    hundreds of murders that take place every day.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a st out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted even write such a thing, but that is what hate
    and rage is all about.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it out. Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    Sorry, you lose.

    Wrong again, it's called winning, doubt me?
    two plus years of a investigation, costing the American tax payer many millions of dollars.
    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    Then explain it to me again.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jul 10 00:59:00 2019
    On 07-09-19 20:17, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of
    it false. As I said
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it
    out. Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    Sorry, you lose.

    OK, since you cannot seem to justify your biased article about the
    Steele Dossier, you decided to pivot to some other worn topic. Typical response from people who are losing.

    Wrong again, it's called winning, doubt me?
    two plus years of a investigation, costing the American tax
    payer many millions
    of dollars.
    Look who is STILL in The White House..

    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him
    will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made
    as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jul 10 06:56:33 2019
    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires
    evidence. There is none, however there is lots of evidence against Hillary Clinton but she gets a pass, because she had said that she did not intentionally do it knowingly, yeah... it does not work like that.

    What your putting forward is a fairytale to coax your ego but it is a fantasy to give your life purpose. How sad is that?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jul 10 19:44:29 2019
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    Look who is STILL in The White House..

    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him
    will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Going back to George Washington, we have *never* put a former
    president in jail/prison. AFAIK, we also have *never* put a former
    vice president in jail/prison. Spiro Agnew was convicted, but never
    spent a day in jail. Aaron Burr was acquitted of having murdered
    Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate
    States of America, was arrested after the war, but never charged or
    convicted.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made
    as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Trump's campaign manager is still in jail. Some remain to be tried,
    and probably convicted. How many will get pardons is anybody's guess. Especially since we apparently have a "lawless" president in the WH.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jul 10 19:44:58 2019
    Hello Greg,

    DS> GD> Look who is STILL in The White House..
    DS> For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against
    him
    DS> will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    DS> report.
    DS>
    DS> GD> Then explain it to me again.
    DS>
    DS> Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made
    DS> as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires >evidence.

    It is not current DOJ policy to indict a sitting president or vice
    president. That policy can be changed, but until then current policy
    remains in effect and will be followed. That is the reason Mueller
    stated in his public address.

    There is none, however there is lots of evidence against Hillary
    Clinton but she gets a pass, because she had said that she did not >intentionally do it knowingly, yeah... it does not work like that.

    Hillary Clinton was not a subject (or a target) of the Mueller
    investigation. But hey, Republicans have investigated Hillary
    Clinton and other Democrats ad nauseum for eight years, perhaps
    decades, and did not find criminality. But they kept trying.
    And trying. And trying. Maybe one day they might actually find
    something. Like, maybe she forgot to tie her own shoestrings.

    On the other hand, all this stuff Hillary Clinton and Democrats
    are said to do or have done is fertile ground for investigators.
    Just think of what would happen if Hillary Clinton were to turn
    herself in and tell everybody she is "guilty" of whatever they
    decide to charge her with. Nah. That's not their style. Their
    leader (Donald Trump) just told them to "lock her up" - without
    ever giving them a reason why.

    Now, in case you haven't read the Mueller Report (you do know
    where to find it?) please allow me to give you the 50-cent tour -

    Donald Trump was Vladimir Putin's favorit candidate. As a result,
    Russians helped get Donald Trump elected. The Trump campaign, headed
    by Paul Manafort (a convicted criminal), had more than 100 suspicious interactions with representatives (military intelligence) of the
    Russian government (headed by Vladimir Putin). After the election,
    Donald Trump obstructed justice at least 10 times (by Mueller's own
    count) and would have been indicted had it not been current DOJ policy
    to let a sitting president/vice president off the hook.

    We know for a fact that a sitting president/vice president can be
    indicted, due to the fact that AG Elliot Richardson was prepared to
    do so in regards to Spiro Agnew. The only reason why Spiro Agnew
    was not indicted was because he (Agnew) decided to resign from office
    first.

    After the Agnew incident, the DOJ implemented a policy of not
    indicting a sitting president/vice president. Remember the Dick
    who was the sitting president at the time.

    None of this includes ongoing investigations of Donald Trump (and
    others) by the New York state Attorney General, for hush-money
    payments, missing inaugural funds, financial fraud, etc. ...

    What your putting forward is a fairytale to coax your ego but it is a
    fantasy to give your life purpose. How sad is that?

    Democrats, Independents, and at least one former Republican, seem
    to be right on course. What is your excuse?

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Jul 10 16:13:06 2019
    Illegal cockroaches coming through the southern border:
    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse
    Sneaking in through the Rio Grande or deserts
    Not subject to health screenings - tuberculosis is a-ok

    I've been down to those deserts - between El Paso, TX, and Alamoordo,
    NM, is 90 miles of very hot white sand (White Sands Proving Ground is
    there), no shade and no trees and in July the temp in the shade is 108F
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Jul 10 16:16:34 2019

    The USA has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world -

    Many people in this country don't know or won't admit that, but it's
    true. The good ol' "free" USA has more people in prison - both in raw
    numbers and as a percentage of the population - than any other country
    on earth
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Wed Jul 10 16:19:44 2019
    On 2019 Jul 07 08:33:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed
    to.
    Who do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that
    you eat?
    They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and
    medicare
    once they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm vegetables.

    no there's not... the majority are migrant workers... they travel
    from farm to
    farm during the seasons and generally go home during the winter to
    return the
    next planting and growing season so as to be ready when harvest time
    comes
    along...

    True. And the overwhelming majority of them enter the country legally
    and return home when they're finished
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 11 02:29:00 2019
    On 07-10-19 06:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires evidence. There is none,

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then. As
    has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with evidence*
    where an indictment would have been made except for Justice policy for
    not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to indictment *with* the
    evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Thu Jul 11 01:39:02 2019
    On 07-10-19 16:19, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about War or Planefuls of <=-

    True. And the overwhelming majority of them enter the country legally
    and return home when they're finished

    Some do, and many do not. It has been going on for decades. We
    recently visited a large truck farm in Florida. When the owner/manager
    was asked if the workers (clearly Hispanic) were documented or not, his
    reply was a non-comittal "I don't know and I don't care". Even
    President Trump's companies hire non-documented workers. They get away
    with paying them less that way.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jul 11 17:33:46 2019
    On 11 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-10-19 06:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against hi will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments m as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires evidence. There is none,

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then. As
    has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with evidence*
    where an indictment would have been made except for Justice policy for
    not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to indictment *with* the evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    No I am afraid it is not going to work like you have suggested.

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment
    not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which will be in the year
    of 2024.

    So you can stop with baited breath, because it's never going to happen.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 12 00:40:00 2019
    On 07-11-19 17:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then. As
    has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with evidence*
    where an indictment would have been made except for Justice policy for
    not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to indictment *with* the evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    No I am afraid it is not going to work like you have suggested.

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which will
    be in the year of 2024.

    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    conviction.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to BOB ACKLEY on Thu Jul 11 21:21:31 2019
    there), no shade and no trees and in July the temp in the shade is 108F

    Great place to take the kids for a hike, eh?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jul 11 21:26:17 2019
    President Trump's companies hire non-documented workers. They get away with paying them less that way.

    Isn't slavery the name of the game? Why else would democrats vote for their plight? To NOT exploit them for political gain?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 12 03:32:30 2019

    On 2019 Jul 11 17:33:46, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then.
    As has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with
    evidence* where an indictment would have been made except for Justice
    policy for not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump
    is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to
    indictment *with* the evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    No I am afraid it is not going to work like you have suggested.

    you can be afraid all you want to but that doesn't change things...

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which

    there are dozens of crimes that have been committed... you're wearing your willful ignorance like a peacock's tail... strutting around showing it off...

    ----->8 snip 8<-----
    Noun. willful ignorance (uncountable) (idiomatic, law) A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.
    ----->8 snip 8<-----

    additionally, the term "invincible ignorance" applies... it means "the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's position in the face of contradictory facts." in other words, burying your head in the sand...

    will be in the year of 2024.

    you keep believing that...

    So you can stop with baited breath, because it's never going to
    happen.

    "baited breath" doesn't mean what you think it means...

    ----->8 snip 8<-----
    *Bated breath vs baited breath*

    "Bated breath" is a phrase that means to hold one's breath due to suspense, trepidation or fear. The word bated is an abbreviation of the word abated, meaning to lessen in severity or amount. Bated is rarely used on its own as an adjective or verb anymore, but it lingers in the English language in the phrase
    "bated breath".

    "Baited breath" is a common misspelling of bated breath. Bait is a substance used as a lure to capture fish or other prey, therefore, someone with baited breath would probably have a terrible case of halitosis.
    ----->8 snip 8<-----


    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Oh! I get it! HAHAHAHAHAhahahaha....haha..
    ---
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Fri Jul 12 07:01:15 2019
    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which wi be in the year of 2024.

    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime. The man said that if there were charges then he would of brought them forth to the fullest extent.
    This is not an opinion, it is fact.
    What these one thousand law professionals bring is an opinion.
    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driven by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 12 10:29:42 2019

    On 2019 Jul 12 07:01:14, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no
    indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration
    which wi
    be in the year of 2024.

    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict,

    current federal policy is that a sitting president cannot be indicted so mueler
    couldn't indict trump... his hands were tied but only so far as indicting... but nothing stops the indictment from going forward once trump is no longer a sitting president...

    then there is no crime.

    bullshit... there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of crimes perpetrated by trump... many are well known... the epstein mess jumps to mind and that's fixing to be a nasty bit of business... 2 and 2 equals 4 and when you look at everything with a discerning eye, you can see trumps wife was involved as a victim and how she was acquired via epstein's human trafficing, you might start to see the real light instead of the brown muck that trump has been throwing out to try to hide everything with... empty the swamp? the son of a bitch filled it! and you worship that shit???

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... The North has green salads. The South has collard greens.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Fri Jul 12 18:22:26 2019
    bullshit... there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of crimes
    epstein's human trafficing, you start to see the real light

    by the way it is trafficking not trafficing...

    No bullshit the Mueller team consisted of the brightest law scholars,
    including the man himself Robert (Mr.Integrity) Mueller. Maybe *YOU* should re-read his report (but this time - take off the Cap'n Crunch glasses.)

    Epstein Epstein Epstein, you're peddling the same shit covered in the
    drive-by media. You know dam well as well as I, what this is really all about. It's the newest method to go after Trump. Sorry to disappoint it's not going to work.

    President Trump said
    "Jeffrey Epstein was not somebody that I respected. I threw him out. In fact
    I think the great James Patterson, who's a member of Mar-a-Lago, made a statement yesterday, that many years ago I threw him out. I'm m not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

    William Slick Willie Clinton on the other hand was quick to speak up and say that he was only with Epstein a few times. Spoke to soon, he did....
    The newly released flight logs show former U.S. President Bill Clinton flew on convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's infamous Lolita Express jet at least
    26 times.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 12 23:48:42 2019
    The newly released flight logs show former U.S. President Bill Clinton flew on convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's infamous Lolita Express
    jet at least 26 times.

    Ah, but everyone knows that Bill Clinton has no history of being sexually mischievous. He probably talked about baseball with the Jeffster.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jul 13 02:29:00 2019
    On 07-11-19 21:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    President Trump's companies hire non-documented workers. They get away with paying them less that way.

    Isn't slavery the name of the game? Why else would democrats vote for their plight? To NOT exploit them for political gain?

    You make no sense, unless you are claiming that Trump is enslaving non-documented workers.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 13 02:47:02 2019
    On 07-12-19 07:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump
    Administration which wi
    be in the year of 2024.

    Fix your eroneous quoting. Those are your words, not mine.


    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime.

    Wrong. Mueller was not allowed to indict a siting President, based on
    Justice Department Policy. You have been told that multiple times. Try
    to remember it. And do not base false claims based on imaginary ideas.

    The man said that
    if there were charges then he would of brought them forth to the
    fullest extent. This is not an opinion, it is fact.

    Where did he say that. I cannot find it in the report. Give us an
    exact searchable quote and/or page number in the report.

    What these one thousand law professionals bring is an opinion.
    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driven by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    No -- they are motivated by their professional opinion and knowledge of
    the law. Most federal prosecutors are apolitical. They do not have a
    liberal nor a conservative agenda. Their agenda is the law.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 13 06:52:22 2019
    On 13 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-12-19 07:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump
    Administration which wi
    be in the year of 2024.

    Fix your eroneous quoting. Those are your words, not mine.

    You need not worry everyone knows your quite delusional and firmly on the
    left.


    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal conviction.

    Biased? There was a 2 plus year investigation at the cost of millions that American tax payer paid for. These are the people getting screwed. That money could of spent on productive measures for the American people. Instead they pissed it away. On top of that there is a media that is connected at the hip at the Democratic Party going after the President with baseless accusations with every chance that they can get. You're calling *ME* biased?

    Your ignorance is showing. Making the suggestion that over one thousand law professionals use elements to *probably* achieve criminal conviction.

    Do you think, before you start pushing keys as they form into words?

    These so called law professionals wouldn't be professionals very long if
    they did as you suggest; using elements, the findings are based on the truth not fragments or as you have said "elements." Additionally there is no probably when coming to a verdict, which is not the same as probable cause of
    which could be used at the beginning stages of a investigation. This is a process that is further refined to either Yes or No, but never "probably"
    which is closer to maybe should never come into play in the court or in the rule of law.

    It is quite clear that you do not respect the word of law.
    Only your left ideology, which no longer resides at The White House.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime. DS>
    Wrong. Mueller was not allowed to indict a siting President, based on Justice Department Policy.

    So if is true, were they not aware of this before they began the investigation? I mean what would be the point of going through all of that, if they could not indict; to your point not allowed to indict a sitting President.

    It did not happen the way you are suggest, Your storytelling of the aftermath does not add up. Suggesting with the notion that they did a great service and produced multiple whatever, it is exactly that "whatever" because none of it matters if you can not deliver. No Collusion & No Obstruction only delusion.

    What is closer to the truth is that some of the top brass within multiple intelligence agencies went rouge and conspired with members of the Democratic Party to put this short bus in motion.
    The nastiness of these people and the intent is clearly seen.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 13 18:08:39 2019
    Hello Greg,

    DS> GD> There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no
    DS> GD> indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration
    which wi
    DS> GD> be in the year of 2024.
    DS>
    DS> That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    DS> with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    DS> elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    DS> conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime.

    AG Elliot Richardson threatened to indict Vice President Vice President
    Spiro Agnew on various charges, and was fully prepared to do so.
    Rather than be indicted (and convicted), Spiro Agnew chose to resign
    from office in disgrace. Agnew later went on to plead guilty to all
    charges and avoided going to jail.

    After that event, President Nixon ordered his underlings in the DOJ
    to come up with an excuse so he would not have to face the same fate
    as his beloved vice president. One lawyer in the DOJ came to his aid
    by coming up with the excuse that in his own opinion the DOJ should not
    have a policy allowing to indict a sitting president or vice president.
    This was in spite of the fact there was no precedent. As such, his
    legal opinion carried no weight. Absolutely none at all.

    Did Spiro Agnew commit a crime(s)? Yes, as he plead guilty.
    Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime(s)? Yes, even though he has
    never plead guilty or not guilty. Does it matter that neither
    of them was indicted by the DOJ? Not at all.

    The man said that if there were charges then he would of brought them forth
    to the fullest extent.

    Once he is out of office, I doubt anybody will really care if
    charges are brought forth or not.

    This is not an opinion, it is fact.

    Either the president has, or has not, committed a crime(s).
    So which is it?

    What these one thousand law professionals bring is an opinion.

    Guilty as hell seems to me a condemnation.

    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driven
    by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    Bill Weld (R-MA) is a liberal???

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Sat Jul 13 18:09:06 2019
    Hello mark,

    DS>> GD> There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be
    no
    DS>> GD> indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration
    DS>> which wi
    DS>> GD> be in the year of 2024.
    DS>>
    DS>> That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it
    disagrees
    DS>> with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    DS>> elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    DS>> conviction.

    GD> If Mueller did not indict,

    current federal policy is that a sitting president cannot be indicted so
    mueler couldn't indict trump...

    Current DOJ policy, not federal policy as a whole. Just an opinion
    by the DOJ, which can be changed at any time, by the AG himself with
    nothing more than his own say-so. There is no precedent of a sitting
    president (or vice president) having been indicted. That does not
    mean a sitting president (or vice president cannot be indicted).

    AG Elliot Richardson threatened to indict Vice President Spiro Agnew,
    an was fully prepared to do so. Rather than be indicted, Spiro Agnew
    chose to resign from office in disgrace. After that incident, Nixon
    decided to protect himself by ordering an attorney from the DOJ to
    give an opinion concerning the legality of the DOJ indicting a sitting president. We all know how that turned out.

    his hands were tied but only so far as indicting...

    It was not DOJ policy to indict a sitting president. That does not
    mean he could not have done so. But like a good Marine, Mueller
    decided to play by the rules (of his own department).

    but nothing stops the indictment from going forward once trump is no longer
    a sitting president...

    The DOJ can change its policy anytime it wants. But I doubt it
    will do so, at least as long as Trump remains president.

    then there is no crime.

    bullshit...

    If a tree falls down in a forest and nobody hears it fall,
    did such a thing ever happen?

    there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of crimes perpetrated by trump...

    Not according to Trump.

    many are well known...

    Not by Trump or any of his followers.

    the epstein mess jumps to mind and that's fixing to be a nasty bit of
    business...

    Epstein was Trump's friend. Until Trump unfriended him.

    --Lee

    --
    We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jul 14 02:18:00 2019
    On 07-13-19 06:52, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Your ignorance is showing. Making the suggestion that over one
    thousand law professionals use elements to *probably* achieve criminal conviction.


    Do you think, before you start pushing keys as they form into words?

    I do -- and I choose my words very carefully. No lawyer or prosecutor
    would ever honestly say with certainty that they can achieve a criminal conviction. Only a judge and jury can do that. BUT, they can say that
    all of the necessary elements for a crime are there -- as laid out by
    Mueller in his report.


    It is quite clear that you do not respect the word of law.
    Only your left ideology, which no longer resides at The White House.

    I do respect the rule of law -- something that no longer resides at the
    White House.

    So if is true, were they not aware of this before they
    began the investigation?

    The investigation started to find out what happened, and how the
    Russians interferred in our election in 2016. They did that quite well.
    They did not start out to investigate the President -- until he began to interfere with the Russian investigation.

    I mean what would be the point of going through all of that, if they
    could not indict; to your point not allowed to indict a sitting
    President.
    It did not happen the way you are suggest, Your storytelling of the aftermath does not add up. Suggesting with the notion that they did a great service and produced multiple whatever, it is exactly that "whatever" because none of it matters if you can not deliver.

    You are babbling incoherently and I cannot make sense of your words.

    NO Collusion & No Obstruction only delusion.

    That is what the Barr report said, but it is not the truth. The present Attorney General is acting as the President's lawyer -- not as the
    peoples lawyer as he is supposed to be.

    What is closer to the truth is that some of the top brass within
    multiple intelligence agencies went rouge and conspired with members of the Democratic Party to put this short bus in motion.
    The nastiness of these people and the intent is clearly seen.

    RUBBISH.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jul 14 12:26:24 2019
    On 13 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Did Spiro Agnew commit a crime(s)? Yes, as he plead guilty.
    Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime(s)? Yes, even though he has
    never plead guilty or not guilty. Does it matter that neither
    of them was indicted by the DOJ? Not at all.

    With Spiro, real crimes were committed, so it stands to reason that the indication of pleading guilty was the right thing to do.

    The problem is that those principles are being used once again along with
    other recognizable desires of the past that speak of hunting someone down and destroying the man known as Donald J. Trump. The puzzle pieces that they are using today are different and are therefore deemed as incompatible, this does not matter to the left leaning organizers, they might as well have hammer behind their back, used of course to force the pieces to fit but they are becoming bolder and bolder to where the hammer is no longer hidden.

    Good Luck with that, they have not been successful with any of these attempts, they have all been a dismal miserable failure each and everyone of them. In-fact they are making the President stronger and what the strangest part of all of this is that they remain clueless about it.

    There is also truth in facts, where they delinquent with the truth they make
    up as they go along, and then sell it as fact.

    It is no secret that they do not like Trump and have been trying and failing with every attempt to get back to their version of Government, which is great for themselves, but it creates chaos and uncertainty for the American people.

    You do know what Make America Great means to the left, it is the opposite of President Trump's efforts and agenda in every-way.
    The left views Make America Great Again by having it's citizens being dependent on the U.S. Government. Additionally having the U.S. Government being dependent on other nations for it's survival - more like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    The left liberal dream is to America inside out, it's efforts include The
    new green deal, that will make combustion engines a thing of the past, no planes in the sky either. No great numbers from from the Dow breaking records of 27,000 as been reached a few days ago. Socialism covering every corner of the U.S. Government.

    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driv
    by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    Bill Weld (R-MA) is a liberal???

    No he is not liberal but his thirst for power is apparent.
    He is also incredibility stupid if he thinks that he has a snowball chance in hell in becoming the next President of the United States of America.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 14 14:03:44 2019
    On 14 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    The investigation started to find out what happened, and how the
    Russians interferred in our election in 2016. They did that quite well. They did not start out to investigate the President -- until he began to interfere with the Russian investigation.

    But the President did not interfere as this investigation was able to
    close without it being closed prematurely by order of the President which
    was also within his authority to do so. The President supplied complete transparency and even many hours of testimony by members of his staff to
    ensure this transparency.

    He was also correct to deem it as a witch hunt, but allowed it to continue.
    The truth of the matter that you're overlooking is that the left was itching
    to have him close it, then they could of used that against him too and making the decree that he was guilty of obstruction of justice, but they never got that opportunity to offer that deck of cards to give themselves a winning
    hand.

    That is what the Barr report said, but it is not the truth. The present Attorney General is acting as the President's lawyer -- not as the
    peoples lawyer as he is supposed to be.

    He is not doing anything of the kind the Attorney General is the people's lawyer. As well as the highest law official in the U.S.
    Just because you don't like the outcome does not make him the President's lawyer.

    I say again, what is closer to the truth is that some of the top brass within multiple intelligence agencies went rouge and conspired with members of the Democratic Party (including with foreign powers) with a former MI6 agent from Her Majesty's Government to put this short bus in motion.

    RUBBISH.

    No not rubbish this has been proven by real investigative journalism.

    What could you possibly know about the subject by having CNN and P-MS_NBC the select few channels on your television?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 15 10:47:36 2019
    like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    This is why Mexico, China, and Iran can hardly wait for Trump to take a hike. They're being patient; they know that when dad's not looking, mom's gonna
    give in to their wishes.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Mon Jul 15 22:03:59 2019
    On 15 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    This is why Mexico, China, and Iran can hardly wait for Trump to take a hike. They're being patient; they know that when dad's not looking,
    mom's gonna give in to their wishes.

    Oh I am sure, but there are more Trumps that could run and if ran they would win to Keep America Great as they rip it out of the hands from those would
    seek it's destruction; The Democratic Party is done for. No Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is
    2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will lose to these losers in 2020.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jul 17 01:07:48 2019
    Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is 2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will lose to these losers in 2020.

    Absolutely. But what about 2024? Foreign opportunists are counting the days.

    If about 12 Republicans, and about 200 Democrats, would get their act
    together, they could make intelligent, prosperous changes in law. They could compromise on things. I'm willing to bet that the honorable President Trump would sign off on just about anything lawmakers toss his way, but they prefer being able to say "he probably won't sign it so we're not wasting our time."

    Thereby hurting citizens significantly, but barely touching the president.
    Good job guys & gals!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jul 17 22:01:04 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Did Spiro Agnew commit a crime(s)? Yes, as he plead guilty.
    Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime(s)? Yes, even though he has
    never plead guilty or not guilty. Does it matter that neither
    of them was indicted by the DOJ? Not at all.

    With Spiro, real crimes were committed, so it stands to reason that the
    indication of pleading guilty was the right thing to do.

    Agnew plead guilty after leaving office in disgrace. Made a plea
    deal with the prosecutor to keep himself out of jail.

    Donald Trump may be guilty as hell, of whatever folks want to accuse
    him of having done. But to date he has not been charged. Not because
    he is, or is not, POTUS.

    It is DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president/vice president.
    This was not the case before Watergate. There was evidence showing
    Agnew to have been guilty of having committed various crimes. Ditto
    with Nixon. AG Elliot Richardson used the threat of indictment to
    get Agnew to resign from office. Nixon was also under investigation
    at the time, and had Agnew decided to stay, both would have been
    impeached and removed from office at the same time, thus making the
    speaker of the house (a Democrat) the POTUS.

    After Agnew resigned from office, Nixon needed to protect himself
    from the same fate. That is why he got a lawyer from the DOJ to
    write an opinion stating that indicting a sitting president or
    vice president would be unconstitutional. Even though there is no
    precedent. That opinion is the basis of the current DOJ policy.

    The problem is that those principles are being used once again along with
    other recognizable desires of the past that speak of hunting someone down
    and destroying the man known as Donald J. Trump.

    Donald Trump has not been accused of having committed any crimes.
    Then there is the question as to whatever crimes he may have
    committed as having been "high crimes or misdemeanors" as defined
    by the Congress, which would make those crimes impeachable offenses.

    The puzzle pieces that they are using today are different and are therefore
    deemed as incompatible, this does not matter to the left leaning
    organizers, they might as well have hammer behind their back, used of
    course to force the pieces to fit but they are becoming bolder and bolder
    to where the hammer is no longer hidden.

    How do you define what are "high crimes and misdemeanors"? Only
    the Congress can decide that, as they are the deciders, as stated
    in the US Constitution.

    A scandal is not a crime. It may be an embarrassment, but not
    necessarily a crime. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife. That is
    a scandal. A crime? Maybe grounds for divorce. But maybe his
    wife lets him do it, and also does the same thing. It could be
    that Donald Trump and his wife do the same thing as the Clintons.
    I don't know, and I don't care. Whatever they do in private is
    their own business.

    Donald Trump Jr has met with Russians at Trump Tower. This
    was a scandal, but not necessarily a crime. Even though it is
    known that several Russians were involved in trying to disrupt
    our elections.

    Did then-candidate Donald Trump instruct his son to meet with
    Russians at Trump Tower? If so, for what purpose? Are we to
    believe that Donald Jr was just a naive little boy who got in
    over his head?

    A lot of people have questions. Questions they want answered.

    Good Luck with that, they have not been successful with any of these
    attempts, they have all been a dismal miserable failure each and everyone
    of them.

    Stonewalling is never successful. Bob Mueller is scheduled to testify
    to Congress on July 24. This will be the beginning of the end.

    In-fact they are making the President stronger and what the strangest part
    of all of this is that they remain clueless about it.

    The latest poll shows four Democrats (Biden, Warren, Harris,
    and Sanders) leading Trump. And tied with an openly gay candidate
    - Mayor Pete.

    After the president's racist comments ("Go back where you came from")
    the next poll will show even more Democrats in the lead.

    There is also truth in facts, where they delinquent with the truth they make
    up as they go along, and then sell it as fact.

    Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?
    I'm not. And most Americans aren't either. I condemn
    his words of hate, as should everybody. Regardless of
    political affiliation (or non-affiliation).

    It is no secret that they do not like Trump

    What is there to like? A man who hates black people and brown
    people is not a man to be liked by anybody. The American people
    deserve somebody better than that to be their president. Even
    if that somebody is a woman. Or an openly gay man, happily
    married to another man.

    and have been trying and failing with every attempt to get back to their
    version of Government,

    I want a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people."
    What kind of government do you want?

    which is great for themselves, but it creates chaos and uncertainty for the
    American people.

    The idea of democracy is correct. And far better than Trump's
    idea of authoritarianism.

    You do know what Make America Great means to the left,

    Ronald Reagan's concept of "Make America Great Again" was that
    of an optimistic future, where all could work together to make this
    place a better world for each and every one of us, including those
    who come here from foreign shores to call this land their home.

    That is a far concept from whatever version Trump wants to create.

    it is the opposite of President Trump's efforts and agenda in every-way.

    Of course it is. Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan got along great.
    Especially after 5 o'clock at the local pub.

    The left views Make America Great Again by having it's citizens being
    dependent on the U.S. Government.

    Lifting all boats is certainly far better than sinking all ships.

    Additionally having the U.S. Government being dependent on other nations for
    it's survival - more like minimal life support leaving a nation barely
    alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    Encouraging Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia
    has certainly made America great again. Not only will Germany be
    dependent on Russia for natural gas, but so will the rest of Europe,
    as those countries will be dependent on Germany to deliver the same
    natural gas it gets from Russia. See how that works?

    It is kind of like what happened in the day just before WWII.

    Germany and Russia made a deal.
    A non-aggression pact.
    Each side would get what it wanted.
    Germany would get the Balkans.
    Russia would get the Baltics.
    And both would split Poland.

    Of course, Germany reneged on the deal in 1941
    and Russia had to then get help from the USA.

    What happens when the only source for natural gas that Germany gets
    is from Russia? And what happens when the only source for natural gas
    that other European countries get comes from Germany?

    Brexit is not about England withdrawing from the EU. It is about
    England withdrawing from Germany. And with Germany being controlled
    by Russia, who do you think will be controlling the USA when Trump
    is best pals with Putin?

    The Chinese have a saying -

    "There can only be one sun that rules the sky."

    I hate to tell you, the sun is setting in the USA.

    The left liberal dream is to America inside out, it's efforts include The
    new green deal, that will make combustion engines a thing of the past, no planes in the sky either. No great numbers from from the Dow breaking
    records of 27,000 as been reached a few days ago. Socialism covering every corner of the U.S. Government.

    We have to move forward with better technology, less dependence
    on fossil fuels. Coal is no longer feasable, and of limited supply.
    There is a worldwide glut of oil, and prices cannot be sustained.
    Investors stand to gain or lose on the market, depending on how it
    is doing. Kind of like playing slots at a casino. Play long enough,
    and the house will win. Not a sound investment, if you ask me.
    Unless you own the casino.

    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and
    driv
    by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    Bill Weld (R-MA) is a liberal???

    No he is not liberal but his thirst for power is apparent.

    A former federal prosecutor, he was one of the 1000+ signatorees
    who says Trump is guilty of obstructing justice. He is also a
    former governor, who understands how to properly exercise the duties
    of the chief executive. That is why he makes a good candidate for
    the Republican nomination.

    He is also incredibility stupid if he thinks that he has a snowball chance
    in hell in becoming the next President of the United States of America.

    He was the Libertarian Party's choice for Vice President in 2016.
    Of course, that was just a warm-up exercise for his run for the
    Republican nomination for 2020. I am sure he will be getting plenty
    of votes in Iowa and New Hampshire ...

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Jul 17 15:52:18 2019
    On 15 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and
    in fact
    crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    This is why Mexico, China, and Iran can hardly wait for Trump to
    take a
    hike. They're being patient; they know that when dad's not
    looking,
    mom's gonna give in to their wishes.

    Oh I am sure, but there are more Trumps that could run and if ran
    they would
    win to Keep America Great as they rip it out of the hands from those
    would
    seek it's destruction; The Democratic Party is done for. No Message,
    lousily
    socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is
    2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will lose to
    these losers
    in 2020.

    Yeah there is. Election fraud, it's quite common in this country
    although nobody wants to admit it
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Wed Jul 17 23:51:33 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    GD> Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next
    GD> opportunity is 2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will
    GD> lose to these losers in 2020.

    Absolutely. But what about 2024? Foreign opportunists are counting the days.

    If about 12 Republicans, and about 200 Democrats, would get their act >together, they could make intelligent, prosperous changes in law. They could >compromise on things. I'm willing to bet that the honorable President Trump >would sign off on just about anything lawmakers toss his way, but they
    prefer
    being able to say "he probably won't sign it so we're not wasting our time."

    Senator Klobuchar has a bill for him to sign, assuming she can get
    the Grim Reaper to go along.

    Thereby hurting citizens significantly, but barely touching the president. >Good job guys & gals!

    Not to worry. President Klobuchar will be happy to lead the way
    beginning January 21, 2021.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Wed Jul 17 18:01:09 2019
    On 17 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is 2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump w lose to these losers in 2020.

    Absolutely. But what about 2024? Foreign opportunists are counting the days.

    If about 12 Republicans, and about 200 Democrats, would get their act together, they could make intelligent, prosperous changes in law. They could compromise on things. I'm willing to bet that the honorable President Trump would sign off on just about anything lawmakers toss his way, but they prefer being able to say "he probably won't sign it so
    we're not wasting our time."

    There will plenty of Trumps that will be available to run by the year 2024

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jul 17 21:59:23 2019
    On 17 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Donald Trump Jr has met with Russians at Trump Tower. This
    was a scandal, but not necessarily a crime. Even though it is
    known that several Russians were involved in trying to disrupt
    our elections.

    What the story is: The Russian babe Natalia Veselnitskaya was said to have
    dirt on Hillary, but when they met at Trump tower all she wanted to talk about was about a Russian Adoption from a Russian orphanage of which is clearly not dirt on Hillary Clinton.

    Source Factcheck.org https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/a-timeline-of-trump-tower-meeting-responses/

    July 8, 2017 The New York Times reports on the Trump campaign meeting with Veselnitskaya, who was described by the paper as a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin. Donald Trump Jr., in a statement to the Times, downplays the meeting, saying that the participants primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children. The statement makes no mention that he was promised damaging information about Clinton.

    July 9, 2017 In a second story, the Times reports that Donald Trump Jr. was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign. The president's son issued a second statement that, in part, read: [T]he woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs. Clinton, Trump Jr.s statement read. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was
    provided or even offered.

    Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?
    I'm not. And most Americans aren't either. I condemn
    his words of hate, as should everybody. Regardless of
    political affiliation (or non-affiliation).

    In my opinion this entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
    Why? because they are using 'this issue' as just another means to go after Trump, mark my words it will backfire on them...

    You got it all wrong, The President said nothing wrong what so ever.

    or

    Did you forget what the so called Squad as said repeatedly w/ their anti-American & anti-Semitic comments. There is no doubt in my mind that the President loves this country deeply, it is why he ran for office.

    What he said was not racist in any way, as he did not call them name or call out their race signally or as group.

    What is very clear is that repeated statements each member of the squad show very clearly that they have no love or respect for America.

    Personally I do not believe these any of these 4 women
    represent anything American, their views are anti-Semitic and are infact
    inline more with Palestinian views.

    Want more proof.
    Rashida Tlaib is Still Posing in Photos With Alleged Anti-Semite and Fundraiser Abdel-qader
    https://www.mrctv.org/blog/rashida-tlaib-poses

    Jihad Rep. Rashida Tlaib's Big Lie: Falsely Claims Palestinians Gave Jews a Safe Haven After Holocaust https://freedomoutpost.com/jihad-rep-rashida-tlaibs-big-lie-falsely-claims-pale stinians-gave-jews-safe-haven-after-holocaust/

    You want to let these 4 rip the country apart over nasty comments that
    are clearly are not American.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    Ilhan Omar
    Ayanna Pressley
    Rashida Tlaib

    To be honest they are not worth it, No they do not need to home.
    They the need to rocketed into space and straight into the Sun.

    No one can forget (you might want to) - or claim she never said that, but it
    is true. Impeach the motherf*cker comments made by the nasty bit*h Rashida Tlaib when her job was only hours new.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/ten-questions-for-the-squad/

    Clearly the Dems, want to turn this into impeaching party. It's simple folks if these nasty bit*hes didn't open their freakin mouths then we would not be here right now!

    (You don't get to say these nasty Un-American when you work for the Government and not expect a reaction from the President of the United States.

    I recently sent a tweet of my own.
    "@SpeakerPelosi @realDonaldTrump This squad will turn the Democratic Party
    into a circus, worse then ever b4 Very hateful anti-American, & anti-Semitic comments. Mr. Trump is correct, They don't love our Country!
    We who are, Patriots stand with you, Mr. President Like a Rock!!"

    Encouraging Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia
    has certainly made America great again. Not only will Germany be dependent on Russia for natural gas, but so will the rest of Europe,
    as those countries will be dependent on Germany to deliver the same natural gas it gets from Russia. See how that works?

    Wrong Again- you got this ass backwards.
    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought that it was a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.

    The Chinese have a saying -
    "There can only be one sun that rules the sky."
    Similar to the Japanese - The sun will never set upon the Empire.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jul 18 00:48:24 2019
    Senator Klobuchar has a bill for him to sign, assuming she can get
    the Grim Reaper to go along.

    If she's willing to compromise, I'm sure she could obtain Trump's vote on her affordable abortion bill. The Grim Reaper will be happy too.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 18 00:50:14 2019
    There will plenty of Trumps that will be available to run by the year
    2024

    I hope Kanye runs! Because then it will be racist for liberals not to vote
    for him.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Thu Jul 18 06:41:55 2019
    On 18 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    There will plenty of Trumps that will be available to run by the year 2024

    I hope Kanye runs! Because then it will be racist for liberals not to
    vote for him.
    Right.
    All this hysteria over Trump be accused of being a racist with his Go Home twitter remarks. Which was not racist at all.

    It was the right and equal to counter the comments that were very anti-American as well as anti-Semitic and have been going on for quite some time.

    You know why they are all attacking Trump?
    It's the Democrat thing to do. There is always over the top outrage
    (which is by design) in hopes it spark a reaction and stick so they will have political power) They have been trying to get him out since the day he was elected. Democrats will never admit to this but they are still outraged as well as embarrassed that they lost when just about every poll indicated they Hillary was going to win the Presidency.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jul 18 23:05:44 2019
    You know why they are all attacking Trump?
    It's the Democrat thing to do. There is always over the top outrage

    They do it to other Republicans too.

    The best way to solve that issue would be to elect hybrid officials who are willing to compromise their liberalism or their conservativism. I know it
    would seem terrible for a president to ignore North Korea while signing a gay marriage bill, because we've seen that happen, but as long as that president handles the North Korea issue after he's done signing whiny stuff, then that would be good enough for me I guess.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Fri Jul 19 07:22:21 2019
    On 18 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    You know why they are all attacking Trump?
    It's the Democrat thing to do. There is always over the top outrage

    They do it to other Republicans too.

    What do you mean?

    The best way to solve that issue would be to elect hybrid officials who are willing to compromise their liberalism or their conservativism.

    They are different thinkers and they do not look at America in the same
    way.

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, and the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back. That within in itself proving "The Donald" correct and is not doing themselves or the Nation any favors. These things are what they truly believe. In my opinion they have no business in politics or even in the country. They would be happier someplace else, and so would much
    of the Nation's population who are Patriots. All of this is just adding to the fuel that will propel Donald Trump to winning again in November of 2020.

    Even before the recent outlandish rage from the squad, Mr. Trump has been at work making America Great again, under his leadership the Nation is
    enjoying lower taxes, better trade deals, breaking records in the stock market and with unemployment. What's the problem with any of that?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jul 19 14:20:24 2019

    On 2019 Jul 19 07:22:20, you wrote to aaron thomas:

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, and the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    wait, what?!? are you really saying tht having concentration camps is being an American? not giving people in those camps water and making them drink from the
    toilets is being American? are you really that much of a scum-sucking garbage human?????

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn it off.

    ... 17. Never lie to your doctor.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 20 01:55:34 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Donald Trump Jr has met with Russians at Trump Tower. This
    was a scandal, but not necessarily a crime. Even though it is
    known that several Russians were involved in trying to disrupt
    our elections.

    What the story is: The Russian babe Natalia Veselnitskaya was said to have >dirt on Hillary, but when they met at Trump tower all she wanted to talk
    about was about a Russian Adoption from a Russian orphanage of which is dclearly not irt on Hillary Clinton.

    Source Factcheck.org >https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/a-timeline-of-trump-tower-meeting-responses/


    The real story can be found in the Mueller report.
    Have you read it yet?

    July 8, 2017 The New York Times reports on the Trump campaign meeting with >Veselnitskaya, who was described by the paper as a Russian lawyer who has >connections to the Kremlin. Donald Trump Jr., in a statement to the Times, >downplays the meeting, saying that the participants primarily discussed a >program about the adoption of Russian children. The statement makes no
    mention that he was promised damaging information about Clinton.

    The NYT is not the Mueller report. Want to try again?

    July 9, 2017 In a second story, the Times reports that Donald Trump Jr. was >promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet >with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign. The >president's son issued a second statement that, in part, read: [T]he woman >stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were >funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs. Clinton, Trump >Jr.s statement read. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense.
    No details or supporting information was provided or even offered.

    The NYT article is not the Mueller report. Nor is it any kind of investigation. It is simply a newspaper article. Nothing more,
    nothing less. Journalists slant their stories in order to appeal
    to a particular audience. Editors oversee those stories and decide
    which ones, or how much of an article, to publish.

    Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?
    I'm not. And most Americans aren't either. I condemn
    his words of hate, as should everybody. Regardless of
    political affiliation (or non-affiliation).

    In my opinion this entire thing is being blown out of proportion.

    Of course it is. That is why it is called politics.
    But it does not change the facts. The president said
    what he said. And what he said was clearly racist.

    Why? because they are using 'this issue' as just another means to go after
    Trump, mark my words it will backfire on them...

    Most women and independents are appalled by the president's choice
    of words. So it is not really a question of party affiliation, or
    even about personalities. What the president said was objectionable
    to many people, especially women and people of color, but also
    others.

    You got it all wrong, The President said nothing wrong what so ever.

    Racism has no place in this country. When a president makes
    racist comments, he/she will be called out on it. As Trump found
    out the hard way.

    or

    Did you forget what the so called Squad as said repeatedly w/ their >anti-American & anti-Semitic comments. There is no doubt in my mind that the
    President loves this country deeply, it is why he ran for office.

    I do not care if all four of those women are full-blown socialists
    and hold beliefs you and others might not agree with. They are all
    women and people of color, as well as being US citizens. That makes
    them as American as you and me.

    What the president said about them was vile, mean, and hateful.
    He should be ashamed of himself, as well as others who continue to
    support him. He has never apologized, and I doubt he ever will.

    George Wallace was also a racist. A white racist who gave speeches
    written by a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Although he never uttered
    the "N" word in public, his use of a wink and a nod said it all.

    But at least George Wallace apologized for his antics. And went
    on to serve a fourth term as governor of the state of Alabama.

    Will black folks and people of color forgive President Trump for
    his antics, as they did George Wallace? I am sure Kanye West already
    has, even without an apology. But I doubt anybody else will.

    What he said was not racist in any way, as he did not call them name or call
    out their race signally or as group.

    Just because George Wallace never said the "N" word in public
    does not mean he was not a racist. His policies certainly reflect
    who he really was. Just as Trump's policies reflect who he really
    is. A bona fide racist.

    What is very clear is that repeated statements each member of the squad show
    very clearly that they have no love or respect for America.

    In America, people have the freedom to think whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to believe whatever they want.

    That does not mean that racism has any place in this country.
    There is absolutely no excuse for what the president said.
    None whatsoever.

    I do not agree with everything that anybody says, much less a member
    of Congress. And these four women are all US citizens, with the same
    rights as you and me.

    The president clearly singled them out because they are black, or
    people of color. He is playing to a crowd of white people, who believe
    in him as their god. As such, he can do no wrong, as he is the one
    who will grant them salvation from the evils that are before them.

    Personally I do not believe these any of these 4 women represent anything
    American, their views are anti-Semitic and are infact
    inline more with Palestinian views.

    Everyone deserves to be treated with human dignity, regardless of
    the color of their skin. That is why racism has no part in this
    country. It is not who we are, or what we stand for. As such, we
    should all condemn the racist words spoken by a racist president.
    Because that is exactly what they are. Racist.

    Want more proof.
    Rashida Tlaib is Still Posing in Photos With Alleged Anti-Semite and
    Fundraiser
    Abdel-qader
    https://www.mrctv.org/blog/rashida-tlaib-poses

    Jihad Rep. Rashida Tlaib's Big Lie: Falsely Claims Palestinians Gave Jews a >Safe Haven After Holocaust >https://freedomoutpost.com/jihad-rep-rashida-tlaibs-big-lie-falsely-claims-pale
    stinians-gave-jews-safe-haven-after-holocaust/

    You want to let these 4 rip the country apart over nasty comments that
    are clearly are not American.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    Ilhan Omar
    Ayanna Pressley
    Rashida Tlaib

    All four women are US citizens. As American as you and me.
    Whether one agrees, or disagrees, with their views is irrelevant.
    What the president said about them is clearly racist.
    We should all condemn him for his racist comments.

    To be honest they are not worth it, No they do not need to home.
    They the need to rocketed into space and straight into the Sun.

    Nobody is saying that you, or anybody else, has to agree with a
    single word they say. The president was wrong, and should at the
    very least apologize for his racist comments. He has already been
    condemned by the House of Representatives as a racist president,
    so he might as well. And then shut up and hope it all goes away.

    No one can forget (you might want to) - or claim she never said that, but it >is true. Impeach the motherf*cker comments made by the nasty bit*h Rashida >Tlaib when her job was only hours new.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/ten-questions-for-the-squad/


    Well, he is a motherf*cker as he remains married to the mother
    of one of his kids. Assuming the two of them sleep in the same
    bedroom (some Europeans claim they have separate quarters).

    Clearly the Dems, want to turn this into impeaching party.

    Not really. One Democrat got carried away and introduced articles
    of impeachment based on the president's tweets. But that effort did
    not go too well with other Democrats and it was tabled with no vote
    taken on the matter. This was his third try to get Trump removed
    from office, without success.

    It's simple folks if these nasty bit*hes didn't open their freakin mouths
    then we would not be here right now!

    If the president had not made those racist comments then he would
    not be in the fine mess he is in now.

    (You don't get to say these nasty Un-American when you work for the
    Government and not expect a reaction from the President of the United
    States.

    Vladimir Putin had members of Pussy Riot put in prison for what
    they said about him. Do we want the POTUS putting American citizens
    in prison because he does not like what they say about him?

    I recently sent a tweet of my own.
    "@SpeakerPelosi @realDonaldTrump This squad will turn the Democratic Party >into a circus, worse then ever b4 Very hateful anti-American, & anti-Semitic >comments. Mr. Trump is correct, They don't love our Country!
    We who are, Patriots stand with you, Mr. President Like a Rock!!"

    Who cares if an American citizen does not love his/her own country?
    It is his/her right to freely express themselves, even if that speech
    is very offensive to some, or to all.

    Racism has no part in this country. When a president makes such
    vile comments, he/she will be called out on it. As Trump found out.

    Encouraging Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia
    has certainly made America great again. Not only will Germany be >LL>dependent on Russia for natural gas, but so will the rest of Europe,
    as those countries will be dependent on Germany to deliver the same >LL>natural gas it gets from Russia. See how that works?

    Wrong Again- you got this ass backwards.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas pipeline,
    Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy natural gas from the
    US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany any kind of deal.

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought that it was
    a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.

    It is a bad idea. And worse, when you think it out further.
    Which explains why England chose Brexit over the EU. With Germany
    dependent on Russia for keeping their houses warm in winter, and
    the rest of Europe dependent on Germany for keeping their houses
    warm in winter, what do you think will happen when Russia turns
    off the tap to Germany? Lights out in Ukraine, hello Russian
    soldiers. Lights out in Poland, hello Russian soldiers. Lights
    out in the Baltics, hello Russian soldiers. Just like old times.

    The Chinese have a saying -
    "There can only be one sun that rules the sky."

    Similar to the Japanese - The sun will never set upon the Empire.

    Right now, the US is the sun that rules the sky.
    China wants to become the new sun that rules the sky.

    "There can be only one!" ~from Highlander

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Jul 20 01:55:46 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Senator Klobuchar has a bill for him to sign, assuming she can get
    the Grim Reaper to go along.

    If she's willing to compromise, I'm sure she could obtain Trump's vote on
    her affordable abortion bill. The Grim Reaper will be happy too.

    Compromise? Wazzat?

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Fri Jul 19 18:58:14 2019
    On 19 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...


    On 2019 Jul 19 07:22:20, you wrote to aaron thomas:

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    wait, what?!? are you really saying tht having concentration camps is being an American? not giving people in those camps water and making
    them drink from the toilets is being American? are you really that much
    of a scum-sucking garbage human?????

    No that is NOT at all what I am saying.. Not even remotely, nor would I ever condone or want these things for migrants.

    What I said was...

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    Meaning that... What this *nutcase* AOC is indicating as fact, she is also indicating as fact that migrants are drinking out of toilets.

    Now let's take a look at what the REAL facts are.

    There is no concentration camps at the U.S. / Mexico border, nor
    do they exist anywhere on the planet by the U.S. Government or sanctioned or allowed to exist by the Trump Administration. Migrants are not as a individuals or as a group / are NOT drinking water out of toilets.

    They each had an opportunity to walk back comments as they were interviewed
    by CBS News comments that were and still are anti-American & anti-Semitic, they chose not to walk any of their comments back.

    Conclusion
    If the Democratic Party wants to have Alexandria Ocasio Cortez as the face and voice of the Democratic Party, I have no objection.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jul 19 19:43:48 2019

    The NYT article is not the Mueller report. Nor is it any kind of investigation. It is simply a newspaper article. Nothing more,
    nothing less. Journalists slant their stories in order to appeal
    to a particular audience. Editors oversee those stories and decide
    which ones, or how much of an article, to publish.

    Trust me The New York Times would be the last publication in the United
    States to write a positive slant about the President or his family.

    In America, people have the freedom to think whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to believe whatever they want.

    Your above statement about In America also fully applies to the
    President of the United States.


    That does not mean that racism has any place in this country.
    There is absolutely no excuse for what the president said.
    None whatsoever.

    Race, Race, Race?
    but people of color play the race card when it is convenient for them to do so.oh I see that's different somehow. NOT!
    The Donald did not mention color as in describing their nationality, he did
    not mention race, um gee not racist. Some of his cabinet members are African-American none of them think he is racist.

    I do not agree with everything that anybody says, much less a member
    of Congress. And these four women are all US citizens, with the same rights as you and me.

    The president clearly singled them out because they are black, or
    people of color. He is playing to a crowd of white people, who believe
    in him as their god. As such, he can do no wrong, as he is the one
    who will grant them salvation from the evils that are before them.

    The only squad that I am interested in is One Squad under God.

    Wrong Again- you got this ass backwards.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas pipeline, Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy natural gas from the
    US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany any kind of deal.

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought that it
    a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.

    So we clear that Donald Trump did not
    Encourage Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 20 01:09:00 2019
    On 07-19-19 18:58, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border,

    I do not know exactly what she might have said, nor what any one of the
    media outlets claim that she said -- but what I have observed from
    reporting on multiple outlets is that while the conditions under which
    the migrants are being held are not as dire as the Nazi concentration
    camps, they are quite bad. In fact, far worse than the camps where the
    USA confined Japanese-Americans in the 1940's.

    migrants drinking out of toilets,

    AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of
    the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were
    told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing
    disclaiming those reports.

    They each had an opportunity to walk back comments as they were interviewed by CBS News comments that were and still are anti-American
    & anti-Semitic, they
    chose not to walk any of their comments back.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government practices in
    the USA. That condition only exists in countries on Trump's favorites
    list like Russia and North Korea.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jul 20 12:02:47 2019
    Am 20 Jul 19 01:55:34 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gregory Deyss zum Thema
    <War or Planefuls of>

    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.

    ... unless it's on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, ...
    In the press fredom index 2018, the USA are number 45, that's worse than South Korea and Romania.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas
    pipeline, Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy
    natural gas from the US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany
    any kind of deal.

    I remember a video where he asked Merkel three times if she wants to make a trade agreement with the US. And she told him three times that Germany cannot negotiate in its own, he needs to make an agreement with the whole EU, because it's a single market. :-)

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought
    that it was a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.
    It is a bad idea. And worse, when you think it out further.

    Don,'t think further, get some facts straight, first. The new pipeline is in addition to those that have been used for decades. Currently every pipeline being used is either using Belarus or the Ukraine for transit. Nordstream as well as South Stream would bypass 3rd-party countries and directly connect the EU to Russia. The Ukraine usually is "a bit behind schedule" when it comes to paying gas bills, so Russia is looking for a way of prividing gas to the ones who pay, but not to the Ukraine, which means it needs a new pipeline. Because whenever they shut the pipeline to the Ukraine down, the EU got their gas from somewhere else. And of course, for the EU it's better to have a reliable source, so the idea is to bypass the Ukraine.

    Which explains why England chose Brexit over the EU.

    England voted for Brexit because they cast the votes without thinking about the
    consequences. Moreover, England does have very little oil and gas, it's Schottland that has it. Once Brexit is complete, Schottland may join the EU on its own and England will then have to import natural gas and oil from the EU.

    With
    Germany dependent on Russia for keeping their houses warm in
    winter,

    Not really. The Netherlands and Denmark have no problem compensating for Russia
    shutting down the pipeline.

    and the rest of Europe dependent on Germany for keeping
    their houses warm in winter, what do you think will happen when
    Russia turns off the tap to Germany? Lights out in Ukraine,
    hello Russian soldiers. Lights out in Poland, hello Russian
    soldiers. Lights out in the Baltics, hello Russian soldiers.
    Just like old times.

    Poland joined the NATO in 1999, the Baltics in 2004. I don't think Russia is considering invading NATO members to be a clever move.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 20 07:42:38 2019
    On 20 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-19-19 18:58, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border,

    I do not know exactly what she might have said, nor what any one of the media outlets claim that she said -- but what I have observed from reporting on multiple outlets is that while the conditions under which
    the migrants are being held are not as dire as the Nazi concentration camps, they are quite bad. In fact, far worse than the camps where the USA confined Japanese-Americans in the 1940's.

    Not as dire as Nazi concentration camps?
    They are NOTHING like Nazi concentration camps, migrants are not being transported by train then murdered in gas chambers, Nor are they working in slave labor camps.

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down with the President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them for political gain.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in the 1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here.

    AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing disclaiming those reports.

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous, what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    Bottled water is available. Guards are putting thousands on their credit
    cards because they are running out of things like diapers.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government practices in the USA.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and when it crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jul 20 19:31:56 2019

    On 2019 Jul 20 07:42:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    migrants are not being transported by train

    that's not part of concentration camps... not part of the discussion...

    then murdered in gas chambers,

    those were at the death camps... not part of the discussion...

    Nor are they working in slave labor camps.

    also not concentration camps... not part of the discussion...

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down with
    the President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them
    for political gain.

    the republicans could have fixed it 2 or 3 years ago!

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps
    in the 1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the number of people who were caught. No one asked for them
    to come here.

    no one asked for you to come here, either...

    8 U.S. Code: 1158 Asylum.
    "Any alien who is present in the US or arrives in the US (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum."



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jul 21 01:17:00 2019
    On 07-20-19 07:42, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-
    AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing disclaiming those reports.

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous,
    what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct
    observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were told by
    the guards.
    B. My common sense about what travesty to believe went out the window
    about two and one half years ago.

    Bottled water is available. Guards are putting thousands on their
    credit cards because they are running out of things like diapers.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the
    administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards pay out
    of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do that, it
    should be done by the administration.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government practices in the USA.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and
    when it crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

    So should you.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Sun Jul 21 08:20:57 2019
    On 20 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jul 20 07:42:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    migrants are not being transported by train
    that's not part of concentration camps... not part of the discussion...
    then murdered in gas chambers,
    those were at the death camps... not part of the discussion...
    Nor are they working in slave labor camps.
    also not concentration camps... not part of the discussion...

    You can dodge and weave all you want - it matters not, to deny it, truth is the lunatic known as AOC said that there were concentration camps on the U.S. / Mexico border. They do not exist.

    All of the elements that I have indicated were indeed in parts of Nazi concentration camps. Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka. At its peak, the Auschwitz complex, the most notorious of the
    sites, housed 100,000 persons at its death camp (Auschwitz II, or Birkenau).

    (point one)
    As far as it 'not part of the discussion.'
    It is relevant and necessary to the conversation because there are no concentration camps like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said there was.
    It was and still is a absurd and outrageous statement, and I shall exploit it for being as such.

    Maybe *she* should "go home" to Puerto Rico, it is a mess right now and they could really use her talents.

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down wit
    the President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them for political gain.

    the republicans could have fixed it 2 or 3 years ago!

    Obama was the President for 8 years, From January 20, 2009 to January
    20, 2017 and did nothing about this either.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in the 1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the number of people who were caught. No one asked for the to come here.

    no one asked for you to come here, either...

    I am not a immigrant, I am a American citizen, born in Troy, New York.
    Maybe you have heard of it, once or twice?
    Home of Uncle Sam, yeah that place.

    8 U.S. Code: 1158 Asylum.
    "Any alien who is present in the US or arrives in the US (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's
    status, may apply for asylum."

    It is not that simple as you have indicated or nearly as correct as you are showing.

    To establish eligibility for asylum or refugee status under U.S. law
    (8 U.S.C. 1158), you must prove that you meet the definition of a refugee (under 8 U.S.C. 1101).

    In brief, this means showing that you are either the victim of past
    persecution or you have a well-founded fear of future persecution. In the
    case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your
    home country or last country of residence.

    The persecution must have been based on at least one of five grounds, either your:

    race
    religion
    nationality
    political opinion, or
    membership in a particular social group.

    Proving this connection between the persecution and one of these five grounds is one of the most difficult parts of successfully applying for asylee or refugee status especially because you must show that one of the five grounds was or will be a central reason for your persecution.
    etc.

    (point two)
    not part of the discussion, you are gatekeeper of nothing.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 21 09:15:28 2019
    On 21 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous, what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were told by the guards.

    They are lies designed to drive a wedge and nothing more.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the
    administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards pay out of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do that, it should be done by the administration.

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and when it crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

    So should you.

    No need for me to do anything for I already know when I hear such
    statements, I deem them as anti-American.
    You know how I can make this determination accurately as well as instantly?

    I am not with the party that thrives on misery and one that needs outrage
    as if it were a life-jacket.

    Spock
    "I object to intellect with discipline; I object to power with constructive purpose."

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Mon Jul 22 06:50:13 2019
    Hello Gerhard,

    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.

    .. unless it's on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, ...
    In the press fredom index 2018, the USA are number 45, that's worse than
    South Korea and Romania.

    The same index 2019 shows the USA at number 48. Germany is much
    higher, and had it not been for what happened so many decades ago,
    would probably be giving the top three (Norway, Finland, Sweden)
    a run for their money.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas
    pipeline, Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy
    natural gas from the US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany
    any kind of deal.

    I remember a video where he asked Merkel three times if she wants to make a
    trade agreement with the US. And she told him three times that Germany
    cannot negotiate in its own, he needs to make an agreement with the whole
    EU, because it's a single market. :-)

    That is a concept that may be above Trump's pay grade. :)

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought
    that it was a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.
    It is a bad idea. And worse, when you think it out further.

    Don,'t think further, get some facts straight, first.

    Defending Donald Trump's POV is not easy. But somebody has to do it.
    Or at least try.

    The new pipeline is in addition to those that have been used for decades.

    Why the need for a new pipeline when there are others working now?

    Currently every pipeline being used is either using Belarus or the Ukraine
    for transit.

    Both Belarus and Ukraine border Russia. Where is the problem?

    Nordstream as well as South Stream would bypass 3rd-party countries and
    directly connect the EU to Russia.

    Directly connect Germany to Russia. Not necessarily EU to Russia.

    The Ukraine usually is "a bit behind schedule" when it comes to paying gas
    bills, so Russia is looking for a way of prividing gas to the ones who pay, but not to the Ukraine, which means it needs a new pipeline.

    Why not just shut off the flow of natural gas to Ukraine? Wouldn't
    that be the easiest way to collect on delinquint accounts? No need
    to build a new pipeline ...

    Because whenever they shut the pipeline to the Ukraine down, the EU got
    their gas from somewhere else.

    I do not believe Ukrainians like to freeze in wintertime. Better
    to pay the piper rather than become frozen popsicle.

    And of course, for the EU it's better to have a reliable source, so the idea
    is to bypass the Ukraine.

    Germans quite warm in wintertime, thanks to natural gas flowing
    in from wherever it comes from. Not sure Germans really cares where
    it comes from. If Ukraine was not reliable, as Russia suggests,
    then others most certainly would have noticed.

    I think Russia is not being totally honest about this.

    In 2014 Russia decided to invade Ukraine, illegally annexing
    Crimea as part of Russia. As a result, the US and EU imposed
    sanctions on Russia. These sanctions have cost Russia over
    $50 billion since then. In order to make up for the loss of
    revenue, Russia has to find new sources. Hence, selling
    natural gas to Germany. At bargain prices, of course.

    Since Ukraine will no longer be needed to transport natural gas
    to Germany, Russia will slowly but surly force Ukraine to give up
    more territory. Or take it outright, just as it did with Crimea.

    Which explains why England chose Brexit over the EU.

    England voted for Brexit because they cast the votes without thinking about
    the consequences.

    England knew full well what it was/is doing. It is going back
    to the days before. England vs The Continent. That is the way
    things were before WWII. It was only after the events of WWII
    that Bretton Wood came about. That has all become unraveled.

    Moreover, England does have very little oil and gas, it's Schottland that
    has it.

    Once the English install their new PM (most likely Boris Johnson),
    a new referendum will be passed, and Schottland will rise again.

    Once Brexit is complete, Schottland may join the EU on its own and England
    will then have to import natural gas and oil from the EU.

    This year will probably be the last The Open will ever be played
    in Ireland, as the northern part melts into the hole.

    With
    Germany dependent on Russia for keeping their houses warm in
    winter,

    Not really. The Netherlands and Denmark have no problem compensating for
    Russia shutting down the pipeline.

    Putin's daughter has been living with her Dutch boyfriend
    in the Netherlands. So he'd better be careful before shutting
    down the pipeline ...

    and the rest of Europe dependent on Germany for keeping
    their houses warm in winter, what do you think will happen when
    Russia turns off the tap to Germany? Lights out in Ukraine,
    hello Russian soldiers. Lights out in Poland, hello Russian
    soldiers. Lights out in the Baltics, hello Russian soldiers.
    Just like old times.

    Poland joined the NATO in 1999, the Baltics in 2004. I don't think Russia is
    considering invading NATO members to be a clever move.

    Article V of the NATO Charter has only been invoked one time -
    after the events of 9/11. Europe came to the aid of the US after
    it was attacked by a terrorist group known as al-Qaeda, by helping
    invade and maintain order in Afghanistan.

    In Kosovo, Europeans did nothing to stop ethnic cleansing by Serbia.
    The US had to act alone. This should have been a European problem
    to solve. Which it chose to ignore.

    NATO has become nothing more than an arm of the US military.
    That is what it is today. Not really a consortium of nations,
    working together, to defend the peace.

    Will NATO choose to directly confront Russian troops in the Baltics?
    Or in Poland? I doubt it. A new deal will be made. The leaders
    will smile for the cameras. And all will be well. Until next time.

    By weaponizing natural gas, Putin will be able to use that as
    leverage in order to get what he wants. Without having to resort
    to using Russian troops.

    Turn off the taps to Germany, nobody in the EU gets it either.

    England would not care, as it will not be part of the EU due
    to Brexit.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 22 06:50:20 2019
    Hello Greg,

    DS> GD> The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi
    DS> GD> concentration camps at the border,
    DS>
    DS> I do not know exactly what she might have said, nor what any one of
    the
    DS> media outlets claim that she said -- but what I have observed from
    DS> reporting on multiple outlets is that while the conditions under
    which
    DS> the migrants are being held are not as dire as the Nazi concentration
    DS> camps, they are quite bad. In fact, far worse than the camps where
    the
    DS> USA confined Japanese-Americans in the 1940's.

    Not as dire as Nazi concentration camps?

    Our guards spoke English rather than German.

    They are NOTHING like Nazi concentration camps,

    Our guards do not provide tattoo services ...

    migrants are not being transported by train then murdered in gas chambers,

    What we have are internment camps. A holding place, where nobody
    has any rights. A promise that a judge will hear their case is no
    guarantee for any of them will be able to stay.

    Nor are they working in slave labor camps.

    The conditions in these internment camps are dismal.

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down with the >President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them for
    political
    gain.

    The president created this mess. He can fix it by resigning from
    office. His sidekick, an evangelical Christian, will then know what
    to do ...

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in the >1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the >number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here.

    We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of
    their skin. And that is the president's problem. He is a bona fide
    racist, and has blatantly exposed his views for all the world to see.
    He cannot explain any of this away, as there is no excuse for any of
    what he has done.

    "Hidden in Plain Sight: Japanese Internment in Louisiana", 64 Parishes,
    Summer 2019, pp. 26-33.

    DS> AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    DS> observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of
    DS> the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were
    DS> told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing
    DS> disclaiming those reports.

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience >other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous, what about common >sense, when does that kick in?

    We know how we treated our own. That is something that all of us
    should be ashamed of. And yet, here we are, doing the very same thing.
    The only difference being rather than yellow, the skin of migrants is
    brown. And those four Congresswomen? All of them US citizens, and
    black, with one them being refugee from Somalia who is a naturalized
    US citizen.

    We have a president who is attacking US citizens and non-citizens
    alike, just because he does not like the color of their skin.

    That is what I call a racist. No different than George C. Wallace.

    No. I take that back. George C. Wallace was a far better man than
    what we have currently occupying the White House. After all, he did
    apologize to everybody for his antics, going on to win a fourth term
    as governor of Alabama.

    Bottled water is available.

    People die of heat stroke. Even people in their prime.
    An NFL player, age 32, keeled over from heat stroke the other
    day. And there was plenty of water available to him.

    The fact of the matter is these people are being held at
    various places under inhumane conditions. Some are force
    to spend their time in cages. Others denied cots or matts
    to sleep on, with only a concrete floor to lay their head.
    Without blankets.

    Guards are putting thousands on their credit cards because they are running
    out of things like diapers.

    The Congress provided all the funding that is needed. However,
    the president has misused his authority by choosing to re-allocate
    funding elsewhere, which the courts have ruled as unconstitutional.

    The president created this mess. The president can fix it.
    If he does not know how to do so, or want to do so, he should
    resign from office and let somebody else do the job.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government DS>practices
    in the USA.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and when it
    crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

    I don't mind calling the president a racist.
    I also don't mind if it hurts your feelings.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jul 22 02:38:00 2019
    On 07-21-19 09:15, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were told by the guards.

    They are lies designed to drive a wedge and nothing more.

    How do you know that they are lies? What direct evidence for that
    statement have you seen. I have seen the videos and photographs which
    depict the deplorable conditions as observed by our American
    representatives. I have no reason to believe that they are telling
    lies.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the
    administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards pay out of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do that, it should be done by the administration.

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    The administration develops and enforces the policies that have created
    the situation. They should take care of it. No law is needed, just some
    small amount of human decency and a sense of right and wrong.

    So should you.

    No need for me to do anything for I already know when I hear such statements, I deem them as anti-American.

    It is not anti-American to disagree with unjust policy.

    You know how I can make this determination accurately as well as instantly?
    I am not with the party that thrives on misery and one that needs
    outrage as if it were a life-jacket.

    It would seem that you are with the party that causes that misery and
    outrage.


    Spock
    "I object to intellect with discipline; I object to power with constructive purpose."

    I cannot believe that is an accurate quote. Spock was all about
    intellectual discipline and logic. And he was certainly not about power
    with disruptive purpose.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Jul 22 06:17:21 2019
    The president created this mess. He can fix it by resigning from
    office. His sidekick, an evangelical Christian, will then know what
    to do ...

    The President did not create this mess, and you don't know what your talking about.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in >1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of >number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here.
    We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of
    their skin.

    We were at War with Japan at the time. The radical idea of killing
    yourself by smashing your plane into the American ships, this was disturbing and was not seen before by the American's . The U.S. was protecting it's American citizens uncertain where the loyalty of the Japanese within the U.S. with their fellow American people or with the Japanese. Could they be they
    be trusted? Question of the day for the U.S. Government in those days.
    I am not condoning what was done to the Japanese-Americans. Nor do I support what was done.

    racist, and has blatantly exposed his views for all the world to see.
    He cannot explain any of this away, as there is no excuse for any of
    what he has done.

    Non-sense, you know what I see, bunch of people who want and very badly want
    to see the President in the way, they have been attacking him since day one. Truth is he never said ANYTHING about skin color.
    The democrats have been playing the RACE CARD when it suits them. It's worn
    out and tired and is also blatant, it also comes in many varieties such as nasty anti-American comments, that prove President is right about them.
    The democratic party needs misery and outrage, as we all need oxygen.

    People die of heat stroke. Even people in their prime.
    An NFL player, age 32, keeled over from heat stroke the other
    day. And there was plenty of water available to him.

    Yes I saw that. A previous member of the NY Giants.

    The president created this mess. The president can fix it.
    If he does not know how to do so, or want to do so, he should
    resign from office and let somebody else do the job.

    The President did not create this mess, but he did get Mexico to do more and
    in a very big way.

    I don't mind calling the president a racist.
    I also don't mind if it hurts your feelings.

    You are free to say these things, it does not make them factual.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jul 22 06:40:37 2019
    How do you know that they are lies? What direct evidence for that statement have you seen. I have seen the videos and photographs which depict the deplorable conditions as observed by our American representatives. I have no reason to believe that they are telling
    lies.

    You are free to believe whatever the American representatives are telling
    you, I choose not to. I am sure you are aware of the folk tale the boy who cried wolf.
    NO concentration camps
    NO one drinking out of toilets
    equals
    NO Trust in these American Representatives who by the way are Democrats

    It would seem that you are with the party that causes that misery and outrage.

    These are the laws on the books, Dale.
    The President is following the law. Obama deported more people then Trump. There are images on the internet that I could point out to you that are from Obama years which show conditions, people in cages. Where was the rage then.

    Spock
    "I object to intellect with discipline; I object to power with constructive purpose."

    I cannot believe that is an accurate quote. Spock was all about intellectual discipline and logic. And he was certainly not about power with disruptive purpose.

    True, just wanted to see if you were paying the attention.
    the correct quote is (along with another)

    I object to intellect without discipline; I object to power without constructive purpose.

    Here is another.
    Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading
    the innocent.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Jul 22 07:47:16 2019
    Am 22 Jul 19 06:50:13 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <War or Planefuls of>

    Currently every pipeline being used is either using Belarus or the
    Ukraine for transit.
    Both Belarus and Ukraine border Russia. Where is the problem?

    There's no wall between them. :-)

    The Ukraine usually is "a bit behind schedule" when it comes to paying
    gas bills, so Russia is looking for a way of prividing gas to the ones >>who pay, but not to the Ukraine, which means it needs a new pipeline.
    Why not just shut off the flow of natural gas to Ukraine? Wouldn't
    that be the easiest way to collect on delinquint accounts? No need
    to build a new pipeline ...

    Not selling the natural gas anymore isn't very business-minded. If your bordering countries can't pay, you sell it to someone who can.

    Because whenever they shut the pipeline to the Ukraine down, the EU got
    their gas from somewhere else.
    I do not believe Ukrainians like to freeze in wintertime.

    Do you believe Venezuelans or North Koreans like starving?

    it comes from. If Ukraine was not reliable, as Russia suggests,
    then others most certainly would have noticed.

    Others do have noticed. The Ukraine has to pay 7.75% interest for their bonds, Germany is currently issuing bonds at 0% interest rate.

    Crimea as part of Russia. As a result, the US and EU imposed
    sanctions on Russia. These sanctions have cost Russia over
    $50 billion since then. In order to make up for the loss of
    revenue, Russia has to find new sources.

    In 2017 Trump invaded the White house and imposed sanctions on the USA, calling
    them tariffs. Do you think the people like paying more for what they buy while at the same time getting less for what they sell?

    England knew full well what it was/is doing.

    Yeah, sure. They're discussing a second referendum despite the fact that everyone knew what they were voting for and would cast exactly the same vote again. This totally makes sense, doesn't it?

    In Kosovo, Europeans did nothing to stop ethnic cleansing by Serbia.
    The US had to act alone. This should have been a European problem
    to solve. Which it chose to ignore.

    Actually, this is a problem of the United Nations and they did not vote for a military intervention, which is what all the criticism about this NATO operation is about.




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    Gerhard
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jul 23 06:42:03 2019
    Hello Greg,

    The president created this mess. He can fix it by resigning from >LL>office. His sidekick, an evangelical Christian, will then know what
    to do ...

    The President did not create this mess, and you don't know what your talking
    about.

    Everything was fine when Barack Obama left office.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in >LL>>1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of >LL>>number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here. >LL>We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of
    their skin.

    We were at War with Japan at the time.

    We put our own citizens in internment camps. Just because their
    skin was yellow rather than lily white.

    After the events of 9-11, another president chose to round up
    US citizens and put them in special places. Just because they
    held different religious beliefs (most of them were brown due
    to their arabic ancestry).

    Why does this president insist on doing the same racist things
    that some of his predecessors have done?

    The radical idea of killing
    yourself by smashing your plane into the American ships, this was disturbing >and was not seen before by the American's . The U.S. was protecting it's >American citizens uncertain where the loyalty of the Japanese within the
    U.S.
    with their fellow American people or with the Japanese. Could they be they
    be trusted? Question of the day for the U.S. Government in those days.
    I am not condoning what was done to the Japanese-Americans. Nor do I support >what was done.

    The job of the POTUS is to protect the US Constitution and the people
    of this country. FDR failed the test. GWB failed the test. And now,
    Trump is failing the test. Miserably.

    racist, and has blatantly exposed his views for all the world to see. >LL>He cannot explain any of this away, as there is no excuse for any of >LL>what he has done.

    Non-sense, you know what I see, bunch of people who want and very badly want >to see the President in the way, they have been attacking him since day one. >Truth is he never said ANYTHING about skin color.
    The democrats have been playing the RACE CARD when it suits them. It's worn >out and tired and is also blatant, it also comes in many varieties such as >nasty anti-American comments, that prove President is right about them.
    The democratic party needs misery and outrage, as we all need oxygen.

    Donald Trump made false claims about four black women, all of them
    US citizens. He claimed these black, Hispanic and Muslim congresswomen
    (all US citizens) "came from countries whose government are a complete
    and total catastrophye, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in
    the world."

    Three of the four congresswomen were born in the USA, the other
    one being a naturalized US citizen, being a refugee from Somalia
    (she came here as a child with her family from Somalia).

    Trump continued his hateful rant - "Why don't they go back and help
    fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,
    then come back and show us how it's done."

    People die of heat stroke. Even people in their prime.
    An NFL player, age 32, keeled over from heat stroke the other
    day. And there was plenty of water available to him.

    Yes I saw that. A previous member of the NY Giants.

    And what about those who are not athletes? Who are suffering
    of heat stroke and cannot get help in time? These are real people
    who are being locked up, for long periods of time, without access
    to proper health care or anything else. There have been at least
    seven children who have died as a result. This is shameful.

    The president created this mess. The president can fix it.
    If he does not know how to do so, or want to do so, he should
    resign from office and let somebody else do the job.

    The President did not create this mess,

    He can't blame it on Obama.
    He can't blame it on Hillary.
    He has only himself to blame.

    but he did get Mexico to do more and in a very big way.

    Mexico backed out. So did Guatemala.

    I don't mind calling the president a racist.
    I also don't mind if it hurts your feelings.

    You are free to say these things, it does not make them factual.

    When you disagree with the president, suddenly you're a bad person.
    That is what President Trump is telling those four congresswomen, and
    all who disagree with his worldview, no matter how wrong is or may be.

    The allegiance of those four congresswomen is not to the president,
    but to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the
    American people.

    The same applies to every member of Congress, regardless of party.

    Where is your allegiance?

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jul 23 02:15:00 2019
    On 07-22-19 06:40, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    <<SNIP>>

    Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading the innocent.

    That is a perfect description of what the current administration is
    trying to do. Glad that you could express it so succinctly.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 23 06:11:34 2019
    On 23 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Everything was fine when Barack Obama left office.

    Says the turtle in his shell.

    I would describe this time with many words but *fine* would not be one of
    those words.
    high Unemployment, even Barack Obama said "The the jobs are gone and not coming back." Standing up for thugs like Trayvon Martin - Barack even said "If I had
    a Son he would like Trayvon. Let's not forget the thug Michael Brown.

    The corruption ran deep with his choice for top cop
    Attorney General Loretta Lynch
    Her stoic demeanor throughout the proceedings betrayed the thought-process of
    a well-connected, high-level law enforcement official who thought she was
    above the law. Nevertheless the new and troubling revelations provided by the former FBI director in his testimony before the Intelligence Committee have provided committee members with specific, concrete information and not just innuendo. There is now evidence of actual impropriety and not merely the appearance of impropriety. In light of this tangible evidence, it will be interesting to see how the former attorney general will attempt slither her
    way out of the corrupted hole she dug herself into.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps >LL>>1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because >LL>>number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here. >LL>We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of >LL>their skin.

    It's called War.

    After the events of 9-11, another president chose to round up
    US citizens and put them in special places. Just because they
    held different religious beliefs (most of them were brown due
    to their arabic ancestry).

    I think this is shear fantasy on your part, I do not remember any such facilities or any event of holding arabics.
    I remember 9/11 very well, I will not forget, nor will I ever forgive.

    The job of the POTUS is to protect the US Constitution and the people
    of this country. FDR failed the test. GWB failed the test. And now, Trump is failing the test. Miserably.

    What standard of measure are you using to make that statement?
    Look at the economy, unemployment, stock market - which means jobs, trade deals. Energy independence.

    That Democratic play book is tired and worn out and has become obsolete.

    And what about those who are not athletes? Who are suffering
    of heat stroke and cannot get help in time? These are real people
    who are being locked up, for long periods of time, without access
    to proper health care or anything else. There have been at least
    seven children who have died as a result. This is shameful.

    The parents hold no responsibility for their children's deaths, perhaps they shouldn't be parents, they should of had their children taken away, to foster care and perhaps they shouldn't have dragged them across the desert.

    The allegiance of those four congresswomen is not to the president,
    but to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the American people.

    Then it would be beyond the time to behave like it, I heard reports of
    the left even attacking Thomas Jefferson...
    Where does this end?
    With every hateful statement, every outlandish shocking sound-byte, they are dismantling the Democratic Party piece by piece.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jul 23 06:19:46 2019
    On 23 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-22-19 06:40, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    <<SNIP>>

    Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading the innocent.

    That is a perfect description of what the current administration is
    trying to do. Glad that you could express it so succinctly.

    There lays the heart of the problem, we see things through a different lens.

    Spock
    In critical moments men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 23 11:19:55 2019
    Everything was fine when Barack Obama left office.

    Except for Americans not being able to afford health insurance, or the fines that Obama imposed on people who couldn't afford health insurance, the
    ignored warning signs from North Korea, and the continuation of NAFTA and
    other unfair economic policies, yes, Obama left everything else just fine.

    What was that thing that Obama was offering during his campaigns? I can't remember, but I'm sure he delivered on it because that's what democrats do.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jul 24 04:57:43 2019
    Hello Dale,

    <<SNIP>>

    GD> Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by
    GD> misleading the innocent.

    That is a perfect description of what the current administration is
    trying to do. Glad that you could express it so succinctly.

    +1

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Wed Jul 24 16:06:34 2019
    On 2019 Jul 19 07:22:20, you wrote to aaron thomas:

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about
    Nazi
    concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of
    toilets, and
    the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as
    the
    unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    wait, what?!? are you really saying tht having concentration camps is
    being an
    American? not giving people in those camps water and making them
    drink from the
    toilets is being American? are you really that much of a scum-sucking
    garbage
    human?????

    Frankly, Mark, I don't believe a word of that scum sucking garbage
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Jul 24 16:11:42 2019
    On 21 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news
    reports or
    experience other media to learn these alleged reports are
    erroneous,
    what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were
    told by
    the guards.

    They are lies designed to drive a wedge and nothing more.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards
    pay out
    of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do
    that, it
    should be done by the administration.

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    Uh, yes, it does. They're called "regulations" and there are rooms
    full of them, none of which were passed by congress. They are laws in everything but name.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to BOB ACKLEY on Wed Jul 24 18:19:11 2019
    On 24 Jul 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    Uh, yes, it does. They're called "regulations" and there are rooms
    full of them, none of which were passed by congress. They are laws in everything but name.

    Laws and Regulations. Federal laws are bills that have passed both houses of Congress, been signed by the president, passed over the president's veto, or allowed to become law without the president's signature. Individual laws,
    also called acts, are arranged by subject in the United States Code.

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Fri Jul 26 10:37:28 2019
    On 24 Jul 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    Uh, yes, it does. They're called "regulations" and there are
    rooms
    full of them, none of which were passed by congress. They are
    laws in
    everything but name.

    Laws and Regulations. Federal laws are bills that have passed both
    houses of
    Congress, been signed by the president, passed over the president's
    veto, or
    allowed to become law without the president's signature. Individual
    laws,
    also called acts, are arranged by subject in the United States Code.

    My point obviously sailed right over your head.

    IMO the entire Code of Federal Regulations is unConstitutional, as are
    every Executive Order ever written.

    Back when the Supremes shot down the 'line item veto' (at the
    Corruptocrats behest, BTW) it stated in part that '... the congress
    cannot delegate its Constitutional responsibilities.' That sentence,
    if the courts were consistent - and they're not - invalidates every
    regulation on the books and every Executive Order ever written
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Sat Jul 27 02:04:10 2019
    Hello Bob,

    My point obviously sailed right over your head.

    Point? What point?

    IMO the entire Code of Federal Regulations is unConstitutional, as are every
    Executive Order ever written.

    So, we are a nation of men, and not of laws?

    Back when the Supremes shot down the 'line item veto' (at the
    Corruptocrats behest, BTW) it stated in part that '... the congress
    cannot delegate its Constitutional responsibilities.' That sentence,
    if the courts were consistent - and they're not - invalidates every >regulation on the books and every Executive Order ever written

    The Framers of the Constitution wrote a document with the idea
    of "separation of powers" being paramount, with three clear branches
    of government - executive, legislative, and judicial. That means
    under Article II the POTUS cannot do whatever the hell he wants.

    --Lee

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