• Slavery in Illinois

    From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to All on Fri Mar 29 09:59:38 2019


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to All on Sat Mar 30 09:03:24 2019
    I read an article about an Illinois woman who enslaved 33 illegal immigrants. She kept them living in her basement, and got them jobs for a company, and
    she took all their wages & gave them something like a handful of change every "payday."

    It said she was charging them as much as $18,000 per person for her
    assistance in keeping them safe from ICE and/or deportation.

    Is this how we want to treat our "immigrants?" (notice how I omitted the word "illegal" because that word is not pc.)

    I suppose by legalizing illegal immigration, we can stop that type of abuse, but that could only lead to other even worse problems.

    Congresswoman AOC is in favor of free-range humans; no wall, just walk or
    drive across national borders freely without the need for a passport.
    Wouldn't that be a great thing for those of us who like to get high? If our heroin is too expensive in Texas, we could just drive down to Old El Paso &
    get an awesome discount.

    What can going borderless do for our sex industry? Well, let's not get too excited just yet, but surely women who are enslaved by traffickers are going
    to have great prices too. Forget about humanity, just focus on things that
    help get people elected.

    What would a Kamala Harris campaign ad look like? She's in favor of
    both going borderless and prostitution. For her ad, she needs young latino women, in provocative clothing, forming a large group, crossing from sand tierra to grass. Throw in some gangsta rap, and you've got yourself one hell
    of an ad to appeal to many groups all at once.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to aaron thomas on Sat Mar 30 20:49:44 2019
    Congresswoman AOC is in favor of free-range humans; no wall, just walk or drive across national borders freely without the need for a passport.

    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ... there's no increase in drug trafficking, cross-border prostitution, illegal trades.

    I can drive from the north of Finland to Gibraltar, cross 7 or 8 countries/borders without having to show any documentation and only needing to stop to refuel, pee, shit, drink, eat.

    That's 4501km. Slightly more than NewYork to LA.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 31 13:59:49 2019
    Am 30 Mar 19 20:49:44 schrob Ward Dossche an aaron thomas zum Thema
    <Re: Slavery in Illinois>

    I can drive from the north of Finland to Gibraltar, cross 7 or 8 countries/borders without having to show any documentation

    You'd better do that soon, Gibraltar is part of her majesty's Brexit.



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to aaron thomas on Sun Mar 31 14:49:06 2019
    Am 30 Mar 19 09:03:24 schrob aaron thomas an All zum Thema
    <Slavery in Illinois>

    Congresswoman AOC is in favor of free-range humans; no wall, just walk or drive across national borders freely without the need for a passport. Wouldn't that be a great thing for those of us who like to get high? If our heroin is too expensive in Texas, we could just drive down to Old El Paso & get an awesome discount.

    What prevents you from doing that now? I reckon anyone may own a passport and unless there's an arresst warrant for you, you probably are free to leave your country and come back anytime you want. Or do you need to apply for a depature permit?
    Moreover, they could just go to California for some mariuana. Are there border controls at the Californian border? I think there's also one state where individuals can legally own machine guns, do they have border controls? What about driving licenses? I think the legal age varies from state to state, are there controls to prevent driving without a license?

    On the other hand, your international airports do have border controls, however, Mohammed Atta managed to get from Madrid to Miami twice without the neccessary documents.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gerhard Strangar on Sun Mar 31 15:34:56 2019
    I can drive from the north of Finland to Gibraltar, cross 7 or 8
    countries/borders without having to show any documentation

    You'd better do that soon, Gibraltar is part of her majesty's Brexit.

    Just so you know, that is already the case as the UK has never been a Schengen country.

    So when I drive from Finland 'to' Gibraltar I never enter the UK.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gerhard Strangar on Sun Mar 31 15:35:04 2019
    Moreover, they could just go to California for some mariuana. Are there border controls at the Californian border?

    Yes, I have been stopped at the California-border when entering from Nevada. Car searched, Trailways bus searched.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 31 09:54:21 2019
    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ...

    How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to aaron thomas on Sun Mar 31 18:42:58 2019

    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ...

    How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?

    The same number as your 50 states..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Sun Mar 31 16:44:00 2019
    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ... there's no >increase in drug trafficking, cross-border prostitution, illegal trades.

    "No increase" does not tell me there is no problem, just that it doesn't
    seem to be getting worse. :)

    I would also guess that the EU/Schengen area does not really contain any third-world countries. The countries we are connected to by land, the ones that Aaron was talking about, are.

    Mike

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gerhard Strangar on Sun Mar 31 22:42:44 2019
    What prevents you from doing that now? I reckon anyone may own a

    Border Patrol prevents free-range humans the best they can. I can't drive to Mexico, pick up drugs, then drive them back to the USA without risking a lot.

    need to apply for a depature permit?

    No. I can drive into Mexico without telling anyone about it. It's a problem, though, when criminals take that drive, leaving behind gruesome crime scenes. Mexican police are good at helping in those situations, but they shouldn't
    have to.

    Moreover, they could just go to California for some mariuana. Are there border controls at the Californian border? I think there's also one

    Law enforcement doesn't care about marijuana; it's the drugs that won't grow here that are concerning. (cocaine, opium)


    border controls at the Californian border? I think there's also one
    state where individuals can legally own machine guns, do they have

    There's no state that won't transfer custody to another state. Provincial borders are not bothering anybody that I know of; it's the international borders, and for me, it's the US-Mexico border - not to blame Mexico though.

    On the other hand, your international airports do have border controls, however, Mohammed Atta managed to get from Madrid to Miami twice without the neccessary documents.

    Everyone makes mistakes; US Customs made 1 mistake?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Ward Dossche on Sun Mar 31 22:47:57 2019
    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ...

    How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?

    The same number as your 50 states..

    We have different definitions of "third world countries." We also sometimes call them "LDCs," or "Less Developed Countries."

    We also have different mathematical rules; in the USA, you can't make 50 out
    of 26.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 1 07:43:21 2019
    Am 31 Mar 19 15:34:56 schrob Ward Dossche an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Slavery in Illinois>

    I can drive from the north of Finland to Gibraltar, cross 7 or 8 GS>>WD> countries/borders without having to show any documentation
    You'd better do that soon, Gibraltar is part of her majesty's Brexit.
    Just so you know, that is already the case as the UK has never been a Schengen country.
    So when I drive from Finland 'to' Gibraltar I never enter the UK.

    I don't know what you're trying to say. You do not enter the UK, because Gibraltar is not part of the UK, however it is part of the EU due to the UK's contract and thus will be leaving along with the UK. If you don't have to show your ID now, you surely will have to after the hard Brexit on April the 12th - or whenever the EU decides that we've had enough of what seems to be the longest Monty Python sketch ever.



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 1 08:20:34 2019
    Am 31 Mar 19 18:42:58 schrob Ward Dossche an aaron thomas zum Thema
    <Re: Slavery in Illinois>

    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries
    How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?
    The same number as your 50 states..

    He most probably was referring the the human development index of Mexico (0.774
    in 2017) being lower than those of Romania (0.811) and Bulgaria (0.813). However, Norway (0.953) does also have a higher index than the USA (0.924).

    Norway - Romania = 0.142
    USA - Mexico = 0.150

    But that's the result of opering the border in 2014! In 2013 the numbers were different:
    Romania 0.785
    Bulgaria 0.777
    Norway 0.944

    Norway - Bulgaria = 0.167

    That's a bigger difference than USA - Mexico is now, yet anyone from Bulgaria is free to live and work in Norway.




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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to aaron thomas on Mon Apr 1 09:07:24 2019
    Am 31 Mar 19 22:42:44 schrob aaron thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Slavery in Illinois>

    There's no state that won't transfer custody to another state. Provincial borders are not bothering anybody that I know of; it's the international borders, and for me, it's the US-Mexico border

    What's the problem with the Canadian border? ;-)

    On the other hand, your international airports do have border
    controls, however, Mohammed Atta managed to get from Madrid to
    Miami twice without the neccessary documents.
    Everyone makes mistakes; US Customs made 1 mistake?

    On his first visit, he left with his visum being expired and noone cared. And one of the other terrorists even obtained a driver's license after his visum had expired. The customs checks seem to be eyewash only. You can also find some
    videos on the net where people argue with border partol on whether they are free to travel or not, but finally get to cross the border without ever showing
    any ID.




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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Mon Apr 1 09:23:05 2019
    "No increase" does not tell me there is no problem, just that it doesn't seem to be getting worse. :)

    From news reports I conclude that more drugs are entering than before, but not from within ... they enter via seaports and commercial transport (just as in the USA).... My son works at a shipping company and he says that whenever they get a shipment of bananas from South America, they never know what will be at the bottom of the containers...

    I would also guess that the EU/Schengen area does not really contain any third-world countries. The countries we are connected to by land, the
    ones that Aaron was talking about, are.

    Canada will not like to hear that.

    While technically you are correct, it is also a fact that the only other hard border you have with a country is Mexico, and Mexico is not a 3rd world country.

    For a country to join the EU there are piles and piles of requirements, and the
    EU will help aspiring countries to reach the same levels ... the EU will even pay for it (meaning I pay for it).

    It will be more avantageous and less costly to help your southern neighbour than to build a wall, US economy would boom. As demonstrated by the EU where when you can get countries to trade with eachother, it means prosperity and peace. Seeking dominance will destroy that goal.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gerhard Strangar on Mon Apr 1 09:29:01 2019

    I don't know what you're trying to say. You do not enter the UK, because Gibraltar is not part of the UK, however it is part of the EU due to the UK's contract and thus will be leaving along with the UK. If you don't
    have to show your ID now...

    Yes, you have to ... that has always been the case. Nothing will change for Gibraltar.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gerhard Strangar on Mon Apr 1 09:40:27 2019

    Mohammed Atta managed to get from Madrid to
    Miami twice without the neccessary documents.
    Everyone makes mistakes; US Customs made 1 mistake?

    On his first visit, he left with his visum being expired and noone cared. And one of the other terrorists even obtained a driver's license after
    his visum had expired. The customs checks seem to be eyewash only. You
    can also find some videos on the net where people argue with border
    partol on whether they are free to travel or not, but finally get to
    cross the border without ever showing any ID.

    That's close to 18 years ago already.

    1) Having a visa or not is irrelevant in the USA to obtain a driver's license as the USA has reciprocal agreements with a lot of countries the first 90 days of your stay you can use your national license. If you stay longer you just go the bureau, produce your national-drivers license which needs to be current and
    you will automatically be eligible for one of that state... which then again opens up Pandora's box as you need your driver's license for a host of other things. It's the same thing for Americans staying here more than 90 days.

    2) When wanting to go to the US you now have to pass the ESTA-procedure where you electronically have to apply for permission to be allowed to travel to the USA. Costs $14 for 2 years. No ESTA? No entry. This dates from after 9/11 too.

    3) Customs now are on a pre-check basis. Because of the computers DHS knows I frequently pass the border at an airport and I am pre-cleared. There are no customs formalities anymore. Weird ... really ... but handy.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gerhard Strangar on Mon Apr 1 12:22:41 2019
    What's the problem with the Canadian border? ;-)

    It's also a problem, but it doesn't have thousands of people walking across illegally in 1 day. Also, Canadians aren't ever in the news for stuff, like, burning people alive. So the southern border is more of an issue.

    On his first visit, he left with his visum being expired and noone

    We have some bad employees who need coaching.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 1 21:06:20 2019
    Hello Ward,

    That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ...

    How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?

    The same number as your 50 states..

    At last count, the US had 46 states and 4 commonwealths.
    And 1 municipality.
    Could you fill us all in as to what the other 4 states might be?

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Apr 1 22:09:58 2019

    The same number as your 50 states..

    At last count, the US had 46 states and 4 commonwealths.
    And 1 municipality.
    Could you fill us all in as to what the other 4 states might be?

    Sure ... insanity, bankrupt, unreliable, untrustworthy ...

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALL on Tue Apr 2 19:09:00 2019
    border controls at the Californian border? I think there's also one state where individuals can legally own machine guns, do they have

    That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GERHARD STRANGAR on Tue Apr 2 19:10:00 2019
    There's no state that won't transfer custody to another state. Provincial borders are not bothering anybody that I know of; it's the international borders, and for me, it's the US-Mexico border

    What's the problem with the Canadian border? ;-)

    None on this side. They may not want US wandering North, however. :)

    Mike

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Wed Apr 3 09:40:01 2019
    That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort
    Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

    Really?

    So I could bring my mother-in-law and shoot her?

    Where do I sign-up?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Wed Apr 3 18:50:18 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    WD> at>WD> That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen
    countries ...
    WD>
    WD> at> How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?
    WD>
    WD> The same number as your 50 states..

    We have different definitions of "third world countries." We also sometimes >call them "LDCs," or "Less Developed Countries."

    We also have different mathematical rules; in the USA, you can't make 50 out >of 26.

    Virginia split itself into two states.
    Texas can split itself into multiple states.
    California can split itself into multiple states.

    States can leave and become an independent state.
    This has happened before. And can happen again.

    A municipality can become a state.
    A territory can become a state.
    A banana republic can become a state.
    Another country can become a state.

    Who is to say how many states the USA can, or cannot, have?

    There is no number specified in the US Constitution.

    Maybe the USA should simply be one big state.
    That way, in order to leave, the state would have
    no choice but to secede from itself.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Wed Apr 3 18:50:24 2019
    Hello Gerhard,

    I can drive from the north of Finland to Gibraltar, cross 7 or 8 >GS>>WD>countries/borders without having to show any documentation

    You'd better do that soon, Gibraltar is part of her majesty's Brexit.

    Just so you know, that is already the case as the UK has never been a >WD>Schengen country.
    So when I drive from Finland 'to' Gibraltar I never enter the UK.

    I don't know what you're trying to say. You do not enter the UK, because
    Gibraltar is not part of the UK, however it is part of the EU due to the
    UK's contract and thus will be leaving along with the UK. If you don't have to show your ID now, you surely will have to after the hard Brexit on April the 12th - or whenever the EU decides that we've had enough of what seems
    to be the longest Monty Python sketch ever.

    Oh, Brexit is just the start. The start of a new end.

    First, the UK portion of England/Wales/Scotland/N. Ireland
    separates itself from the EU.

    Then, Ireland does away with N. Ireland by declaring N. Ireland
    part of Ireland, which remains part of the EU.

    Then, Scotland removes itself from the UK, thus returning to the EU.

    Then, Wales removes itself from the UK, thus returning to the EU.

    Then, with no more PM ruling over England, all the people
    of Merry Ol' England declare "God Save the Queen!"

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Wed Apr 3 18:50:59 2019
    Hello Ward,

    The same number as your 50 states..

    At last count, the US had 46 states and 4 commonwealths.
    And 1 municipality.
    Could you fill us all in as to what the other 4 states might be?

    Sure ... insanity, bankrupt, unreliable, untrustworthy ...

    Does that include our Banana Republic (Louisiana) which
    somehow got classified as a state?

    OTOH, Louisiana does have the best politicians money can buy ...

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to WARD DOSSCHE on Wed Apr 3 16:06:04 2019
    Congresswoman AOC is in favor of free-range humans; no wall, just
    walk or
    drive across national borders freely without the need for a
    passport.

    We do that between states in this country. You don't have people
    freely coming across the Mediterranean to enter Europe, or from Russia.

    Europe as a whole is analogous to the US as a whole, with its member
    countries being the equivalent of individual states here
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to WARD DOSSCHE on Wed Apr 3 16:09:14 2019
    Moreover, they could just go to California for some mariuana. Are
    there
    border controls at the Californian border?

    Yes, I have been stopped at the California-border when entering from
    Nevada.
    Car searched, Trailways bus searched.

    California calls those customs stations 'agricultural inspection'
    stations, that gets them around the Constitutional ban on interfering
    with interstate commerce. The last few times (most recently in 1994) I
    was in California I was not stopped at the border (on I-80), but in the
    very dim past I was (on US-99 and on US-95)
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Apr 3 16:14:36 2019
    border controls at the Californian border? I think there's
    also one
    state where individuals can legally own machine guns, do they
    have

    That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort
    Knox
    where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

    I'm sure BATF doesn't like it, but pretty much anybody can own a
    machine gun if they pay a $200 tax - which BATF will not accept if
    offered, even though they were founded as a tax collection agency
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to LEE LOFASO on Wed Apr 3 16:21:36 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    WD> at>WD> That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ...
    WD>
    WD> at> How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?
    WD>
    WD> The same number as your 50 states..

    We have different definitions of "third world countries." We also
    sometimes
    call them "LDCs," or "Less Developed Countries."

    We also have different mathematical rules; in the USA, you can't
    make 50 out
    of 26.

    Virginia split itself into two states.

    It did not. The western counties of Virginia seceded from that state
    and were admitted - contrary to the provisions of the US Constitution 0-
    as a separate, new state.

    Texas can split itself into multiple states.
    California can split itself into multiple states.

    Los Angeles got one of its pet judges to remove that measure - to split California into three states - from the ballot. That measure would
    have passed by a wide margin in every part of the state except Los
    Angeles.

    States can leave and become an independent state.
    This has happened before. And can happen again.

    That caused a war that the South lost - despite Mr. Lincoln's claim,
    made in an 1848 speech, that states had the right to do exactly what
    the South did. Apparently after he got into power he changed his mind.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Wed Apr 3 19:01:00 2019
    That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort
    Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

    Really?

    So I could bring my mother-in-law and shoot her?

    Where do I sign-up?

    I do believe that there are restrictions on what you can shoot at. :)

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to LEE LOFASO on Wed Apr 3 19:12:00 2019
    Virginia split itself into two states.

    Actually, three -- Kentucky back in the 1790's, and West Virginia during the 1860's are the other two.

    Parts of Ohio and Indiana were also part of Virginia's territories before becoming part of another territory.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Thu Apr 4 09:27:27 2019
    That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near
    Fort Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor
    range.

    So I could bring my mother-in-law and shoot her?

    I do believe that there are restrictions on what you can shoot at. :)

    "anything" sounds pretty unrestricted by me ... 8-)

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
    * Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)