• Reparations

    From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to All on Sat Mar 23 12:43:00 2019
    Is anyone (on here) in favor of reparations for descendants of slaves?

    My thoughts on that are this: I didn't enslave anyone, so I'm not interested
    in paying any reparations, unless they want to get to work on my laundry
    right now. Will black people foot the bill for this also? I mean, not all
    black Americans are descendants of slaves, but many are. So are we going to
    pay them based on their skin color? $100/month for full black, $50/month for mulatto? If you get paid to be black, then I'm working in the wrong field.

    What if I can't afford my restitution? Will I be subject to
    fines/imprisonment, similar to the child support system? Now all black people are going to become my children, through the eyes of my paycheck.

    Not going to take it out of white paychecks & direct deposit into black paychecks? Going to take large funds out of the budget instead? Great!
    America just became a lousy place for non-blacks to live. Will native
    americans be subject to the black tax also?

    Here's another closely related question:

    I'm a democratic candidate running for president, and I need like all of the black votes. How do I get em? How can I use them all as tools, and then disappoint them later by not delivering results?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 24 09:36:00 2019
    right now. Will black people foot the bill for this also? I mean, not all black Americans are descendants of slaves, but many are.

    There is some proof that some free blacks also had slaves, just as there is proof that many voluntarily fought for the South.

    Here's another closely related question:

    I'm a democratic candidate running for president, and I need like all of the black votes. How do I get em? How can I use them all as tools, and then disappoint them later by not delivering results?

    Well, the Democrats already take most of them for granted. Back in the
    1960's, being the party of racial segregation was not working so well for
    them. So, they shed their public prejudices (and nickname of "Dixiecrats") in favor of beefed-up social programs and handouts aimed mostly at innercity citizens (many of whom were black). In other words, instead of keeping
    the poor and minorities down by force, they'd keep them down by keeping them
    on the government dole. The added benefit here is legal vote buying.

    Since then, they have pretty much taken for granted that they will get most
    of the minority votes, black or otherwise, simply by buying them with
    handouts. They do not take into account that some folks (minority or otherwise) really don't need the freebies and are actually quite good at working and thinking for themselves. However, the Democrats hope (through proper training in public schools) is that most of us won't be able to think for ourselves and that they can continue to take many of us for granted by promising more handouts... like free college tuition for that always in
    demand liberal arts degree.

    In short, I don't think you have to do much of anything in the general election, other than run as a Democrat, to pick up as many of the votes of
    the government dependents as you want... black or white or any... provided
    that the majority of them don't start thinking for themselves.

    Now, in the primaries, I guess you have to be the one who promises the most freebies while talking the most trash about Trump... even if someone else
    gets nominated on that side, your measuring stick in 2020 will be Trump and
    how much you hate him.

    Mike

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Mon Mar 25 15:03:03 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Is anyone (on here) in favor of reparations for descendants of slaves?

    Raising hand.

    My thoughts on that are this: I didn't enslave anyone, so I'm not interested
    in paying any reparations, unless they want to get to work on my laundry right now.

    They were people, forcibly taken from their homelands, and then
    treated like cattle to do the bidding for their new "owners".
    These people, living in a land far from home, treated like animals
    (or worse), and not even considered human, with no laws to protect
    them. These are the very people who helped build this country,
    including the very building that the Congress uses to write
    the laws!

    Most of our presidents, up until the Civil War, owned slaves.
    And in those days, slaves did as they were told. Those who acted
    up found out very quickly not to do so a second time.

    The owners could literally do whatever they wanted with their
    possessions. They could whip `em, fuck `em, chop `em into pieces,
    whatever they felt like doing.

    This country does not have enough revenue to pay enough reparations
    to fix the wrongs that have been done.

    But it could apologize, and at least pay a generous amount to show
    it's sincerity. After all, this country did apologize and pay
    reparations to Japanese Americans who were forcibly interned during
    WWII.

    Will black people foot the bill for this also?

    Only those who are not African American. Such as Barack Obama.

    I mean, not all black Americans are descendants of slaves, but many are.

    We all owe Michelle Obama an apology, and reparations.
    And also a great deal of gratitude for Barack Obama for
    having served as our president.

    So are we going to pay them based on their skin color?

    Like Sweet Tea, Southerners always preferred their slaves dark.

    $100/month for full black, $50/month for mulatto? If you get paid to be
    black, then I'm working in the wrong field.

    The city of New Orleans had many free people of color, who
    were not slaves, and mostly mulatto. The state of Louisiana
    as a whole had lots of slaves, usually darker than those
    in New Orleans.

    There were slaves not only in the South, but also in the North.
    It was an issue the Framers of the Constution would not, or could
    not, address. Like an open wound, it continued to fester. But
    that was not the real cause of division that sparked a war.

    What if I can't afford my restitution? Will I be subject to >fines/imprisonment, similar to the child support system?

    Not at all. The way to pay for this project is to soak the rich.

    Now all black people are going to become my children, through the eyes of my
    paycheck.

    Only those who can afford to pay. Those who are unable to do
    so get an automatic exemption.

    Not going to take it out of white paychecks & direct deposit into black
    paychecks? Going to take large funds out of the budget instead? Great! America just became a lousy place for non-blacks to live. Will native americans be subject to the black tax also?

    No, no, no, no! You don't understand! Everything ought to be free! Everything! And I mean EVERYTHING!

    Here's another closely related question:

    I'm a democratic candidate running for president, and I need like all of the
    black votes. How do I get em?

    The easiest way is to buy them.

    How can I use them all as tools, and then disappoint them later by not
    delivering results?

    You can also lie to them.
    Just be sure you never tell them that.
    Until after you have gotten their vote.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 25 16:03:36 2019
    This country does not have enough revenue to pay enough reparations
    to fix the wrongs that have been done.

    Although I assume this to be correct, those people who believe that adter 150+ years they still can draw rights from that period, should be entitled to a free
    one-way ticket to Liberia or Sierra Leone, two countries that were set-up for the return of former slaves and their dependants to Africa.

    Just imagine ... the Hawaiians are also going to file claims and every other minority in the USA...

    \%/@rd

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 25 11:56:50 2019
    them down by keeping them on the government dole. The added benefit
    here is legal vote buying.

    Another tactic seems to be keeping businesses down. Alexandria
    Cortez doesn't want Amazon in NY, and Gov Cuomo says he disagrees with her,
    but yet instead of taking his own initiatives he attacks hers'.

    In a world of rubber stamps, free college tuition, free medicare for all, we don't really care if thousands of high paying jobs are scrapped, do we?
    Because there's just no votes if we make good on any promises of improving
    the economy or cutting debt.

    at working and thinking for themselves. However, the Democrats hope (through proper training in public schools) is that most of us won't be able to think for ourselves and that they can continue to take many of
    us for granted by promising more handouts... like free college tuition

    Too many people don't pay attention to what the politicians say. They listen
    to the media instead. I can't believe anyone's argument that Hillary
    prevailed in any of her debates with Trump; that's the media talking, not the person.

    for that always in demand liberal arts degree.

    Yes, as funny as that is, I think you're right. From what I understand,
    every major is covered at the state's colleges & universities. A liberal arts degree would be better than nothing, but what's that going to do for the student or for any community, other than give it a huge debt?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Mar 25 12:25:27 2019
    They were people, forcibly taken from their homelands, and then
    treated like cattle to do the bidding for their new "owners".

    Everyone has been victimized by the government in one way or another; why not focus on government-mistakes more recent & relevant than slavery? Who's in office right now cracking that slavery whip?

    The government used to allow lead paint for residential use; should
    descendants of lead paint victims sue the government?

    How will it feel for a white guy like me to knock on a black person's porch with a check in my hand saying "I'm sorry for the slavery! I think you should have this money because someone with the same skin color as me enslaved your ancestor."

    We're suing ourselves.

    Will descendants be exempt from the slave-tax? Will we (the plantation
    owners) be paying for the millions of DNA tests that will need to be examined to prove descendant-ship?

    Slavery is to blame for any economic problem any descendant is suffering from right now.

    The government didn't have insurance to cover this type of lawsuit back then, so if it costs too much to pay all these reparations, do we just smack the rubber against the paper?

    This is disrespectful to the actual slaves in many layers. Most strikingly,
    it will persuade many descendants in the the voting booth. How heroic will
    a democrat be in their tv commercial when they say "I voted in favor of reparations, but we're not done yet! Vote for me and we'll give you some
    more reparations! This will never be over!"Brand recognition is powerful..

    If there's not enough money for this effort, we can enslave the whites for an equal number of years as the other slaves were enslaved. That's kinda what we're doing here anyway; on a smaller scale.

    But it could apologize, and at least pay a generous amount to show

    Why apologize for something you didn't do? A bad cop killed an innocent man today. 200 years from now, can descendants of that innocent man sue the
    police department, if it still exists?

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 25 16:21:54 2019
    Is anyone (on here) in favor of reparations for descendants of slaves?

    They got their reparations 150 years ago, 600,000 dead people, the
    destruction of the United States of America - replacing it with the
    United State of America (note singular), the the looting of the south
    by northern carpetbaggers
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Mar 25 16:25:50 2019
    right now. Will black people foot the bill for this also? I mean,
    not all
    black Americans are descendants of slaves, but many are.

    There is some proof that some free blacks also had slaves, just as
    there is
    proof that many voluntarily fought for the South.

    The 1830 census showed about 3,000 free black slave OWNERS in the south.

    South Carolina's 34th Regiment was the first black unit to fight in the
    War of Northern Aggression. The north didn't start recruiting blacks
    until whites quit volunteering, and kept its black soldiers in
    segregated units with white officers until 1948, when President Truman desegregated the army (the navy did not segregate its black and white sailors).

    Note that northern carpetbaggers didn't believe that free blacks owned property or businesses in the south and confiscated them right along
    with white property and businesses
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 25 16:28:02 2019
    They were people, forcibly taken from their homelands, and then
    treated like cattle to do the bidding for their new "owners".

    Everyone has been victimized by the government in one way or another;
    why not
    focus on government-mistakes more recent & relevant than slavery?
    Who's in
    office right now cracking that slavery whip?

    The government used to allow lead paint for residential use; should descendants of lead paint victims sue the government?

    How will it feel for a white guy like me to knock on a black person's
    porch
    with a check in my hand saying "I'm sorry for the slavery! I think
    you should
    have this money because someone with the same skin color as me
    enslaved your
    ancestor."

    Actually, blacks were enslaved by other blacks, who then sold their
    slaves to white slave traders
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 25 19:54:00 2019
    Too many people don't pay attention to what the politicians say. They listen to the media instead. I can't believe anyone's argument that Hillary prevailed in any of her debates with Trump; that's the media talking, not the person.

    I watched one of them and was not impressed by either of them.

    Yes, as funny as that is, I think you're right. From what I understand,
    every major is covered at the state's colleges & universities. A liberal arts degree would be better than nothing, but what's that going to do for the student or for any community, other than give it a huge debt?

    Some jobs only require a "college degree." That will get you in the door.
    If you got that liberal arts degree only wanting a job in that field and no others, that is where you get in trouble. I honestly have never felt that
    I used my business degree, other than to get into the door. It is what you
    do once you get in that counts.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BOB ACKLEY on Mon Mar 25 19:56:00 2019
    Note that northern carpetbaggers didn't believe that free blacks owned property or businesses in the south and confiscated them right along
    with white property and businesses

    That has always bothered me.

    Mike

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Mar 26 00:27:53 2019
    Actually, blacks were enslaved by other blacks, who then sold their slaves to white slave traders

    I know, but my point is - how will this affect race relations? In some US cities race relations are pretty calm, with nobody having big issues with
    other colors. But other cities have bad race relations, where people are
    forced to stick to their own skin color.

    I can see the reparations stirring up problems in the peaceful cities and in the racist ones.

    I'm afraid that once the reparations start getting paid, shame will follow all the white people. Instead of being "just some guy" to the "ancestors," I will be "just some white guy who owes me something."

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to aaron thomas on Tue Mar 26 06:16:12 2019
    Am 25 Mar 19 11:56:50 schrob aaron thomas an Mike Powell zum Thema
    <Re: Reparations>

    Cortez doesn't want Amazon in NY, and Gov Cuomo says he disagrees with her, but yet instead of taking his own initiatives he attacks hers'.
    In a world of rubber stamps, free college tuition, free medicare for
    all, we don't really care if thousands of high paying jobs are scrapped,

    Thousands of high paying jobs at Amazon, what would that be?



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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gerhard Strangar on Tue Mar 26 18:21:09 2019
    Thousands of high paying jobs at Amazon, what would that be?

    At least 1,000 jobs working diretly for Amazon in Queens, NY, and at least 1,000 other jobs created as a result. But like I said, who cares? We don't
    need jobs; we need stuff like "Basic Income." Working is some sick thing that conservatives do.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Tue Mar 26 19:23:00 2019
    Although I assume this to be correct, those people who believe that adter 150+ >years they still can draw rights from that period, should be entitled to a free
    one-way ticket to Liberia or Sierra Leone, two countries that were set-up for >the return of former slaves and their dependants to Africa.

    A lot of Americans do not know that.

    Just imagine ... the Hawaiians are also going to file claims and every other minority in the USA...

    It would be a dangerous precident indeed. What few Native Americans are
    left, IMHO, would have the biggest complaint.

    Mike

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to aaron thomas on Wed Mar 27 07:15:50 2019
    Am 26 Mar 19 18:21:09 schrob aaron thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Reparations>

    Thousands of high paying jobs at Amazon, what would that be?
    At least 1,000 jobs working diretly for Amazon in Queens, NY, and at
    least 1,000 other jobs created as a result.

    Doing what? Retrieving stuff from the warehouse, putting it in cardboard boxes,
    stacking them on pallettes, forklifting them onto trucks and driving them around?
    Doesn't sound high paying to me.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Thu Mar 28 00:39:24 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Thousands of high paying jobs at Amazon, what would that be?

    At least 1,000 jobs working diretly for Amazon in Queens, NY, and at least >1,000 other jobs created as a result. But like I said, who cares? We don't >need jobs; we need stuff like "Basic Income." Working is some sick thing
    that
    conservatives do.

    Capital is frozen labor. How to unfreeze that frozen labor while
    on the golf course is a puzzle conservatives have yet to figure out.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Thu Mar 28 00:39:39 2019
    Hello Gerhard,

    Thousands of high paying jobs at Amazon, what would that be?
    At least 1,000 jobs working diretly for Amazon in Queens, NY, and at least 1,000 other jobs created as a result.

    Doing what? Retrieving stuff from the warehouse, putting it in cardboard
    boxes, stacking them on pallettes, forklifting them onto trucks and driving them around?
    Doesn't sound high paying to me.

    Depends on how fast one does his/her job.
    Getting paid by the hour makes a difference.
    The more you work, the less you get.

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Mar 27 19:47:00 2019
    I'm afraid that once the reparations start getting paid, shame will follow all >the white people. Instead of being "just some guy" to the "ancestors," I will >be "just some white guy who owes me something."

    Has someone actually brought reparations back up as a thing that might be
    done? It has been a long time since I have noticed anyone talking
    seriously about it.

    Mike

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gerhard Strangar on Thu Mar 28 19:33:42 2019
    Doing what? Retrieving stuff from the warehouse, putting it in cardboard boxes, stacking them on pallettes, forklifting them onto trucks and driving them around?
    Doesn't sound high paying to me.


    It depends on what you consider "high-paying." This wasn't a warehouse, it
    was an HQ hub.

    Warehouse work typically pays decent. In 2006, I was making almost $15/hr in
    a Pennsylvania Walmart warehouse.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to aaron thomas on Fri Mar 29 07:27:54 2019
    Am 28 Mar 19 19:33:42 schrob aaron thomas an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Reparations>

    Doing what? Retrieving stuff from the warehouse, putting it in
    cardboard boxes, stacking them on pallettes, forklifting them onto
    trucks and driving them around?
    Doesn't sound high paying to me.
    It depends on what you consider "high-paying."

    I was thinking about average or median, no matter if it's local or nation-wide.
    But I guess, you compared it to the same job at other companies.

    Warehouse work typically pays decent. In 2006, I was making almost
    $15/hr in a Pennsylvania Walmart warehouse.

    Sound too little to make a living, but too much to not be replaced by a machine.



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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Mike Powell on Fri Mar 29 09:58:09 2019
    Has someone actually brought reparations back up as a thing that might be

    Elizabeth Warren is one of them who wants reparations. She can't live with herself for all the enslaving she's been doing.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Mar 29 18:45:00 2019
    Elizabeth Warren is one of them who wants reparations. She can't live with herself for all the enslaving she's been doing.

    But she is a Native American. They did not usually own slaves and were as downtrodden (IMHO more so) than the former slaves. She should not be
    worried with that at all.

    Mike

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Mar 30 15:53:47 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Has someone actually brought reparations back up as a thing that MP>might
    be

    Elizabeth Warren is one of them who wants reparations. She can't live with
    herself for all the enslaving she's been doing.

    Well, she does claim to be injun. Or at least part injun.
    Certainly, that should entitle her to *something*.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Mike Powell on Sat Mar 30 08:49:55 2019
    But she is a Native American. They did not usually own slaves and were
    as downtrodden (IMHO more so) than the former slaves. She should not be worried with that at all.

    Yes, how will her native american brothers and sisters feel if she puts Africans before her own people?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Mar 31 09:53:01 2019
    Well, she does claim to be injun. Or at least part injun.
    Certainly, that should entitle her to *something*.

    $5 in free play at Apache Casino?

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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to aaron thomas on Thu Mar 28 08:22:13 2019
    aaron thomas -> All <0@525.123.1> wrote:

    Is anyone (on here) in favor of reparations for descendants of slaves?

    That is a hard question, as it would be difficult to define which country
    would receive such reparations, and the governments that supported slavery haven’t been around for more than a century.

    Here's another closely related question:

    I'm a democratic candidate running for president, and I need like all of
    the
    black votes. How do I get em? How can I use them all as tools, and then disappoint them later by not delivering results?


    Politicians being politicians. It’s impressive how many people buy this nonsense.

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Apr 3 16:03:34 2019
    Elizabeth Warren is one of them who wants reparations. She can't
    live with
    herself for all the enslaving she's been doing.

    But she is a Native American.

    She claimed to be, but that was apparently disproven. I suppose in
    this day and age everybody has some smidgen of every race in them
    someplace - even the most rabid racists almost undoubtedly have a
    black - or Jewish - ancestor someplace in their family tree.
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Flavio Bessa on Thu Apr 4 08:11:43 2019
    Is anyone (on here) in favor of reparations for descendants of slaves

    That is a hard question, as it would be difficult to define which country would receive such reparations, and the governments that supported

    You have a valid point! Elizabeth Warren HATES valid points.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to BOB ACKLEY on Thu Apr 4 08:15:04 2019
    someplace - even the most rabid racists almost undoubtedly have a
    black - or Jewish - ancestor someplace in their family tree.

    The most rabid racists are often 99% black.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (1:123/525)