• Due-Date Abortions in NY

    From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to aaron thomas on Fri Jan 25 10:18:51 2019

    Hello aaron!

    25 Jan 19 01:24, you wrote to all:

    I have a hard time giving credit to Andrew Cuomo, and today it's got
    even worse.

    From what I understand, and I haven't found a very complete article on
    it yet, Andrew Cuomo, along with some other loving NY lawmakers,
    signed a bill legalizing abortions for women right up to their due
    date.

    True, sort of. Abortions after 24 weeks may only be carried out if the life or health of the mother is in danger. This is extremely rare after 24 weeks as the fetus is usually viable and can be delivered in most cases. It can also be
    performed if it is decided the fetus is not viable and will not survive outside
    the womb upon delivery.

    In the past, I've heard people argue that "abortion is murder," and
    I've heard the phrase "late term abortion," but this is the most
    sickening abortion bill I've ever heard about.

    Here's that knee-jerk outrage that people are so fond of.

    How much more liberal do we need to get with abortions before 10 year
    olds can be aborted legally? Is Andy gonna sign off on that one too?

    In my experience, some conservatives want to protect the life of a child up to
    birth, after birth, screw 'em, they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get a job if they can't be fed.



    Mike


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MIKE MILLER on Fri Jan 25 17:30:00 2019
    In my experience, some conservatives want to protect the life of a child up to >birth, after birth, screw 'em, they should pull themselves up by their >bootstraps and get a job if they can't be fed.

    I think of myself as a right-leaning libertarian. I used to ask some ultra-conservative friends how they could be anti-abortion while also being anti-government-assistance for women who have kids that they cannot afford
    and against the teaching of birth control in schools.

    They could never answer this in a manner that I felt like they'd actually answered the question.

    While I find it objectionable, I am also not a woman and will never, ever
    be in their shoes when it comes to making such a decision. So, I really
    don't feel like I have the right to tell them they can or cannot. It is between them and their God, as far as I am concerned.

    Mike

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Jan 26 15:23:30 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    I have a hard time giving credit to Andrew Cuomo, and today it's got even
    worse.

    He was elected to a second term, so he must be liked by a good
    number of New Yorkers. Maybe not everybody, but certainly a healthy
    lot of them.

    From what I understand, and I haven't found a very complete article on it
    yet, Andrew Cuomo, along with some other loving NY lawmakers, signed a bill legalizing abortions for women right up to their due date.

    Medical/health decisions are best left between doctor and patient.
    Not legislators, most of whom know very little about medicine and
    health.

    In the past, I've heard people argue that "abortion is murder," and I've
    heard the phrase "late term abortion," but this is the most sickening abortion bill I've ever heard about.

    It is not an abortion bill, but a health issue. Who should make
    the decision as to who should, or should not, be allowed to have
    a certain medical procedure? And what kind of medical procedures
    should be allowed to be performed by doctors and others?

    I am not a woman. As such, I will never have to make a decision
    as to whether I want to have an abortion. But who am I to say
    what a woman wants? Who am I to say what is in her best interest?
    I am not a doctor. I cannot advise her of what she should, or
    should not do.

    How much more liberal do we need to get with abortions before 10 year olds
    can be aborted legally? Is Andy gonna sign off on that one too?

    He should. No 10-year-old child should be forced to have a baby.
    Especially if they were raped by an adult. What kind of a sick
    society would force youngsters to have a baby? Not even the
    Taliban in Afghanistan are that perverted.

    Rape is a crime of violence, not passion. When a woman is raped,
    regardless of age, she is taken to a hospital and cleansed, with
    samples taken to match the perp who raped her. As such, if she
    was inpregnated by the person who raped her, she would no longer
    be pregnant.

    But what if her father raped her? Or her uncle? Or brother?
    Some parents would force their children to have the baby, just
    to keep themselves out of prison. Can't really say I'd blame
    the rapist in that regard. But wouldn't it be better for law
    enforcement to arrest those who are rapists, and protect those
    who have been raped? You know, place the children in foster
    care, and make sure they have the best medical care that can
    be provided for them.

    I was all proud of that gimpy, coke-faced sob until I read about this.

    We should all stand up and applaud Andrew Cuomo.
    This country needs more people like him.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to SETH HURST on Sat Jan 26 09:24:38 2019
    That's horrible! Hear a heartbeat, murder a heartbeat. But it's still not as bad as NY with their "Congradulations! It's a boy! Wanna cut the cord or the throat?"

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Mike Miller on Sat Jan 26 09:30:01 2019
    Here's that knee-jerk outrage that people are so fond of.

    Would you be outraged if the government decided that you could be legally murdered? Like maybe you don't shovel your sidewalks in the winter, so you're
    a threat to old folks who walk up and down the street, so those old folks
    have the legal right to abort you.

    I've got these neighborhood kids who blow cigar smoke in my face, thereby threatening my respiratory health in a serious way; can I abort them?

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  • From SETH HURST@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Jan 26 13:20:08 2019
    There was a country that got rid of Doun sindrom by abortions, I'm
    afraid of what is to come.
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jan 26 21:12:42 2019
    How much more liberal do we need to get with abortions before 10 year old
    can be aborted legally? Is Andy gonna sign off on that one too?

    He should. No 10-year-old child should be forced to have a baby.

    That's not what I said, but that's a very Jim Acosta way of twisting it
    around :)

    society would force youngsters to have a baby? Not even the
    Taliban in Afghanistan are that perverted.

    It's hard for me to put myself in their shoes; they too have no problem murdering children.

    Rape is a crime of violence, not passion. When a woman is raped,

    But what if you're a rapist, and you have a passion for what you do? (Sorry,
    I get stupid when I'm tired)

    We should all stand up and applaud Andrew Cuomo.
    This country needs more people like him.

    More governors like him could help us drastically reduce the population, thereby reducing the number of people who are suffering.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to SETH HURST on Sat Jan 26 21:14:56 2019
    I believe that down syndrome is considered a serious health defect which Dr Andrew Cuomo has approved for birthday abortion.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to LEE LOFASO on Sun Jan 27 10:47:00 2019
    Medical/health decisions are best left between doctor and patient.
    Not legislators, most of whom know very little about medicine and
    health.

    Anti-quackery legislation aside, I cannot argue with that.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Mike Powell on Mon Jan 28 17:16:43 2019

    Hello Mike!

    25 Jan 19 17:30, you wrote to me:

    In my experience, some conservatives want to protect the life of a
    child up to birth, after birth, screw 'em, they should pull
    themselves up by their bootstraps and get a job if they can't be fed.

    I think of myself as a right-leaning libertarian. I used to ask some ultra-conservative friends how they could be anti-abortion while also being anti-government-assistance for women who have kids that they
    cannot afford and against the teaching of birth control in schools.

    They could never answer this in a manner that I felt like they'd
    actually answered the question.

    While I find it objectionable, I am also not a woman and will never,
    ever be in their shoes when it comes to making such a decision. So, I really don't feel like I have the right to tell them they can or
    cannot. It is between them and their God, as far as I am concerned.


    Hey, you get it. That's exactly the right way to think about it.

    "Don't like abortion? Don't have one!"





    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to aaron thomas on Mon Jan 28 17:27:27 2019

    Hello aaron!

    26 Jan 19 09:30, you wrote to me:

    Here's that knee-jerk outrage that people are so fond of.

    Would you be outraged if the government decided that you could be
    legally murdered? Like maybe you don't shovel your sidewalks in the winter, so you're a threat to old folks who walk up and down the
    street, so those old folks have the legal right to abort you.

    It's pretty simple. It boils down to having control of YOUR body. If a woman wants to have an abortion, that's her right, as it's her body. I figure conservatives,
    who are all about personal freedom, should realize this.


    I've got these neighborhood kids who blow cigar smoke in my face,
    thereby threatening my respiratory health in a serious way; can I
    abort them?

    No, that is a disproportionate response.

    People have been charged and convicted of battery for purposely blowing cigarette smoke in someone's face, however.





    Mike


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MIKE MILLER on Tue Jan 29 17:10:00 2019
    Hey, you get it. That's exactly the right way to think about it.

    Sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut. :D

    Mike

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  • From Rob Swindell to Mike Miller on Wed Jan 30 17:04:20 2019
    Re: Due-Date Abortions in NY
    By: Mike Miller to Mike Powell on Mon Jan 28 2019 05:16 pm

    Hey, you get it. That's exactly the right way to think about it.

    "Don't like abortion? Don't have one!"

    I'm with you and feel that women should have the right to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. However, I can easily imagine the counter-arguments to that slogan:

    "Don't like murder? Don't commit one!"
    "Don't like pedophilia? Don't do it!"
    "Don't like plural-marriage? Don't have one."
    "Don't like beastiality? Don't keep pets." :-)

    You can see where I'm going. I think pattern of that argument works better with undisputably victimless crimes:

    "Don't like drugs? Don't do them!"
    "Don't like alchohol? Don't drink it!"
    "Don't like pornography? Don't view it!"

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