• Stripped down Debian dist

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALL on Sat Aug 17 19:41:00 2019
    Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian, which keeps
    the kernel and security packages updated while remaining a version behind,
    or while stripping the bells and whistles?

    A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machine that I use
    as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had to downgrade it back due
    to issues with it grinding the system to a halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)

    I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighter weight"
    distros out there. The ones I remember from a few years back have ceased
    being maintained.

    Thanks!

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 18 15:01:54 2019
    Hi! Mike,

    On 17 Aug 19 19:41, you wrote to ALL:

    A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machine that I
    use as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had to downgrade it
    back due to issues with it grinding the system to a halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)

    How much RAM does the old Pet have, Mike?

    I've been enjoying a Lubuntu/32 VirtalBox VM for the last month or more. At least one reviewer remarked that it would probably be fine in 512Mb. My VM is allowed a 1Gb but rarely exceeds 300Mb in a Htop reporter. It's running my main Fidonet node: 2x binkD tasks, FMail/lnx beta tosser, SAMBA etc. With a real GUI if you want it. :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 18 09:28:00 2019
    Mike Powell wrote to ALL <=-

    Is there still a stripped down distribution, based on debian,
    which keeps the kernel and security packages updated while
    remaining a version behind, or while stripping the bells and
    whistles?

    A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machine
    that I use as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had to
    downgrade it back due to issues with it grinding the system to a
    halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)

    I was hoping there might still be some debian-based "lighter
    weight" distros out there. The ones I remember from a few years
    back have ceased being maintained.

    You might give antiX a try, it says it's a lightweight Deb variant
    and specifically mentions running on P3's:

    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=antix


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to PAUL QUINN on Sun Aug 18 09:33:00 2019
    A few weeks back I tried upgrading an old Pentium-3 800 machine that I use as a server from debian 9 to 10 "Buster." I had to downgrade it back due to issues with it grinding the system to a halt, and that is without even installing an x-server. :)

    How much RAM does the old Pet have, Mike?

    256MB! I thought it had a little more than that, but it does not. :)

    I've been enjoying a Lubuntu/32 VirtalBox VM for the last month or more. At least one reviewer remarked that it would probably be fine in 512Mb. My VM
    is
    allowed a 1Gb but rarely exceeds 300Mb in a Htop reporter. It's running my main Fidonet node: 2x binkD tasks, FMail/lnx beta tosser, SAMBA etc. With a real GUI if you want it. :)

    Thanks for the recommendation. Not looking to run a gui on it.

    Mike

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 18 19:28:46 2019
    Hello Mike!

    18 Aug 19 09:33, Mike Powell wrote to PAUL QUINN:

    How much RAM does the old Pet have, Mike?

    256MB! I thought it had a little more than that, but it does not.
    :)

    Although certainly not being Debian, recent FreeBSD should be able to run on hardware like that.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Aug 18 18:40:00 2019
    You might give antiX a try, it says it's a lightweight Deb variant
    and specifically mentions running on P3's:

    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=antix

    Thanks, I shall keep an eye on it.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GERRIT KUEHN on Sun Aug 18 18:41:00 2019
    Although certainly not being Debian, recent FreeBSD should be able to run on hardware like that.

    I wonder how much of a learning curve I would be getting into there. :) I have tried NetBSD and OpenIndiana in times past.

    Mike

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 19 09:17:46 2019
    Hi! Mike,

    On 18 Aug 19 09:33, you wrote to me:

    Thanks for the recommendation. Not looking to run a gui on it.

    You could run an old Puppy Linux in 256Mb. I have been running a test Fido node VM with that for... checking... 8 years, this month. It doesn't need a GUI (my mod), and is a special multi-user flavour (standard Puppy runs as root only).

    Forget using any modern Deb/Ubuntu system under 1Gb (except for Lubuntu). Even
    their 'server' required same for a test MBSE config, minus GUI.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Richard Falken to All on Mon Aug 19 05:35:33 2019
    Re: Stripped down Debian dist
    By: Mike Powell to GERRIT KUEHN on Sun Aug 18 2019 06:41 pm

    I wonder how much of a learning curve I would be getting into there. :) I have tried NetBSD and OpenIndiana in times past.

    Mike

    FreeBSD is the most linux-like of the BSDs. Which is the reason why I don't
    use it much. I mean, for running a Linux-like system I prefer Linux itself.

    OpenBSD might be easier to get started than NetBSD, but it is less
    lightweight out of the box. It still should be able to cope with old hardware because the bare requerinments are ridiculous.
  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 19 17:54:00 2019
    Hello Mike!

    18 Aug 19 18:41, Mike Powell wrote to GERRIT KUEHN:

    Although certainly not being Debian, recent FreeBSD should be able to
    run on hardware like that.

    I wonder how much of a learning curve I would be getting into there.
    :) I have tried NetBSD and OpenIndiana in times past.

    Then you should already be well prepared, FreeBSD is not that much different.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 19 17:57:06 2019
    Hello Richard!

    19 Aug 19 05:35, Richard Falken wrote to All:


    FreeBSD is the most linux-like of the BSDs.

    Um, that (maybe) used to be true 10 years ago... but today?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Richard Falken to Gerrit Kuehn on Mon Aug 19 12:10:53 2019
    Re: Stripped down Debian dist
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 19 2019 05:57 pm

    FreeBSD is the most linux-like of the BSDs.

    Um, that (maybe) used to be true 10 years ago... but today?

    I am curious. Which do you think is the most Linux-like of the BSDs?
  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 19 21:45:26 2019
    Hello Richard!

    19 Aug 19 12:10, Richard Falken wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    FreeBSD is the most linux-like of the BSDs.

    Um, that (maybe) used to be true 10 years ago... but today?

    I am curious. Which do you think is the most Linux-like of the BSDs?

    Depends on your scale: How do you measure Linux-ness? And are we talking about the kernel alone, a base OS, or a full system?
    Linux in itself is pretty balkanised when it comes to a full distribution.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Richard Falken to Gerrit Kuehn on Mon Aug 19 14:10:48 2019
    Re: Stripped down Debian dist
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 19 2019 09:45 pm

    Depends on your scale: How do you measure Linux-ness? And are we talking about the kernel alone, a base OS, or a full system?
    Linux in itself is pretty balkanised when it comes to a full distribution.

    I was thinking about the administration experience.
  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Richard Falken on Tue Aug 20 19:54:50 2019
    Hello Richard!

    19 Aug 19 14:10, Richard Falken wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Depends on your scale: How do you measure Linux-ness? And are we
    talking about the kernel alone, a base OS, or a full system?
    Linux in itself is pretty balkanised when it comes to a full
    distribution.

    I was thinking about the administration experience.

    Depends heavily on the particular Linux distribution, I'd say. As of today, Gentoo still may feel similar to FreeBSD. Most other major distributions went a
    different way (employing stuff like systemd, NetworkManager, ip, netfilter, etc.), making their administration experience quite different from any *BSD system.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Richard Falken to Gerrit Kuehn on Tue Aug 20 14:30:16 2019
    Re: Stripped down Debian dist
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Richard Falken on Tue Aug 20 2019 07:54 pm

    Depends heavily on the particular Linux distribution, I'd say. As of today, Gentoo
    still may feel similar to FreeBSD. Most other major distributions went a different
    way (employing stuff like systemd, NetworkManager, ip, netfilter, etc.), making their administration experience quite different from any *BSD system.

    You are probably right.

    I deal mostly with Slackware (even at work), which is very BSDish, so maybe I am biased. When I last tried FreeBSD the install procedure and default(ish) programs in it brought me memories of Linux. Meanwhile, OpenBSD ships with its own structure and quirks (OpenSMTPD instead of postfix or exim , wxallow filesystems by default, no PAM, you get the idea). NetBSD install procedure is so RTFM that the whole thing feels like a high tech dinossaur.

    Or maybe I should stop doing bourbon.
  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Richard Falken on Wed Aug 21 17:47:26 2019
    Hello Richard!

    20 Aug 19 14:30, Richard Falken wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    I deal mostly with Slackware (even at work), which is very BSDish, so

    Oh, I almost forgot about Slackware. Havn't used it since around 2000, I guess.

    maybe I am biased. When I last tried FreeBSD the install procedure
    and default(ish) programs in it brought me memories of Linux.

    Yeah, but probably "old-school" Linux like Gentoo or Slackware, not the "modern" stuff most distros ship today.

    Meanwhile, OpenBSD ships with its own structure and quirks (OpenSMTPD instead of postfix or exim , wxallow filesystems by default, no PAM,
    you get the idea).

    Retired my last OpenBSD system around 2005. I'm pretty much FreeBSD and Linux these days.

    NetBSD install procedure is so RTFM that the whole
    thing feels like a high tech dinossaur.

    ;-)
    I think I tried NetBSD only once on an old Sparc IPC station back in the late 1990ies. Didn't work too well for me back then, as far as I can remember I went
    to OpenBSD on that box quite quickly.

    Or maybe I should stop doing bourbon.

    ;-)


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Chicken Head to Gerrit Kuehn on Thu Aug 22 18:23:26 2019
    Re: Stripped down Debian dist
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Richard Falken on Mon Aug 19 2019 05:57 pm

    Hello Richard!

    19 Aug 19 05:35, Richard Falken wrote to All:


    FreeBSD is the most linux-like of the BSDs.

    Um, that (maybe) used to be true 10 years ago... but today?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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    It's not too far off what you'd expect. The 'pkg' system is quite similar to what you'd see on Debian. I find updating to new releases to be a lot less painful than most Linux-based releaes.

    If you've got an NVidia card X is a no-brainer. Wine still runs well (I had Windows Steam and various steam games running on FreeBSD just for the hell of it).

    But there's no systemd, and that's a mark of pride.


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