• Cannibis

    From Mortifis@EPHRAM to All on Sun Jul 12 23:47:12 2020
    .... thoughts?

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Mortifis on Mon Jul 13 01:55:03 2020
    Re: Cannibis
    By: Mortifis to All on Sun Jul 12 2020 11:47 pm

    .... thoughts?


    no hope with dope
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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Mortifis on Mon Jul 13 07:56:32 2020
    Re: Cannibis
    By: Mortifis to All on Sun Jul 12 2020 11:47 pm

    .... thoughts?

    ... about?

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  • From DaiTengu@ENSEMBLE to Mortifis on Mon Jul 13 08:03:59 2020
    Re: Cannibis
    By: Mortifis to All on Sun Jul 12 2020 11:47 pm

    .... thoughts?


    <long pause>


    I'm sorry, what was the question?

    DaiTengu

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  • From Mortifis@EPHRAM to DaiTengu on Mon Jul 13 15:01:21 2020
    Re: Cannibis
    By: Mortifis to All on Sun Jul 12 2020 11:47 pm

    .... thoughts?


    <long pause>


    I'm sorry, what was the question?

    DaiTengu

    I was just asking for basic thoughts and see what grows out of that, being an ol' guy living in Canada where the cannabis trade is regulated by the federal government, and the dealers are the provinces ... thought I'd see various thoughts

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  • From paulie420@BEERS20 to Mortifis on Mon Jul 13 18:04:00 2020
    I was just asking for basic thoughts and see what grows out of that,
    being an ol' guy living in Canada where the cannabis trade is regulated
    by the federal government, and the dealers are the provinces ... thought I'd see various thoughts

    The cannabis and mj revolution hsa both began and entering into maturity in a lot of the United States. Still a long way to go, but I have many a friends
    who have jumped into the corporate cannabis industry with varying degrees of success. Tell ya when tho, the ones who get it right are creating a business that I think will last a long time and be very successful. The growth has
    been great for those I know who jumped in a few years ago; on the legal side anyway.

    It is being gobbled up by 'walmarts' currently... so all my support goes to
    the little guys, the real folks who care about pot.

    I grew up in Humboldt county, California... where the pot business has
    thrived illegally for decades. That side almost completely hates the legal side; its been interesting to see how both sides react the current situation
    in America.

    I'm all for it - but also don't think its some cool thing to do, being 40. My teenager may or many not disagree. :P

    pAULIE42o
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    p.s. Yes, my handle comes from the scene... but TBH, its just some dumb shit
    I picked when I was 16 and its stuck... I don't think I've partaken much in
    the past 15 years.
  • From Mortifis@EPHRAM to paulie420 on Tue Jul 14 00:50:07 2020
    I was just asking for basic thoughts and see what grows out of that, being an ol' guy living in Canada where the cannabis trade is regulated by the federal government, and the dealers are the provinces ... thought I'd see various thoughts

    The cannabis and mj revolution hsa both began and entering into maturity in a lot of the United States. Still a long way to go, but I have many a friends
    who have jumped into the corporate cannabis industry with varying degrees of success. Tell ya when tho, the ones who get it right are creating a business that I think will last a long time and be very successful. The growth has been great for those I know who jumped in a few years ago; on the legal side anyway.

    It is being gobbled up by 'walmarts' currently... so all my support goes to the little guys, the real folks who care about pot.

    I grew up in Humboldt county, California... where the pot business has thrived illegally for decades. That side almost completely hates the legal side; its been interesting to see how both sides react the current situation in America.

    I'm all for it - but also don't think its some cool thing to do, being 40. My teenager may or many not disagree. :P

    pAULIE42o
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    p.s. Yes, my handle comes from the scene... but TBH, its just some dumb shit I picked when I was 16 and its stuck... I don't think I've partaken much in the past 15 years.

    it's 28 years for me ... spent my 16th birthday in lockup for a couple doobies lol ... then when I was 21 I did 10 days in county for a g of hish because I didn't pay the $100 fine ... funny, now they (the government) sell it at the beer store :/

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  • From paulie420@BEERS20 to Mortifis on Tue Jul 14 06:51:00 2020
    p.s. Yes, my handle comes from the scene... but TBH, its just some dumb I picked when I was 16 and its stuck... I don't think I've partaken muc the past 15 years.

    it's 28 years for me ... spent my 16th birthday in lockup for a couple doobies lol ... then when I was 21 I did 10 days in county for a g of
    hish because I didn't pay the $100 fine ... funny, now they (the government) sell it at the beer store :/

    Lol, I have similair stories, of being put on 2 years probation for two
    blunts in Michigan in the late 90s. Kind of disgusting, IMO... totally happy that these things have been changing as of late: However, there are STILL plenty of folks [mostly colored differently than I] sitting in a federal
    prison for nothing more than drug charges.

    I know it comes with many ideas about whats right - but I sure think America could do better. Show a man how to earn $1k a week and you just reformed him from being a criminal. We choose to lock them up for 30 years. SMH>>>

    pAULIE42o
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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to paulie420 on Tue Jul 14 10:40:00 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: paulie420 to Mortifis on Mon Jul 13 2020 06:04 pm

    I was just asking for basic thoughts and see what grows out of that, being an ol' guy living in Canada where the cannabis trade is regulated by the federal government, and the dealers are the provinces ... though I'd see various thoughts

    The cannabis and mj revolution hsa both began and entering into maturity in lot of the United States. Still a long way to go, but I have many a friends who have jumped into the corporate cannabis industry with varying degrees of success. Tell ya when tho, the ones who get it right are creating a business that I think will last a long time and be very successful. The growth has been great for those I know who jumped in a few years ago; on the legal side anyway.

    It is being gobbled up by 'walmarts' currently... so all my support goes to the little guys, the real folks who care about pot.

    I grew up in Humboldt county, California... where the pot business has thrived illegally for decades. That side almost completely hates the legal side; its been interesting to see how both sides react the current situation in America.

    I'm all for it - but also don't think its some cool thing to do, being 40. M teenager may or many not disagree. :P

    pAULIE42o
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    p.s. Yes, my handle comes from the scene... but TBH, its just some dumb shit I picked when I was 16 and its stuck... I don't think I've partaken much in the past 15 years.

    Michigan allows recreational use now, and there are three dispenaries int he little town I live outside of. We're close to the borders of IL and IN, so most of the cars taking up the parking spots in town are out of state. Due
    to covid, the places are doing curbside service. Reminds me of years ago on t he other side of town where a car would pull up in front of a house, and the dudes sitting on the porch would perform curbside sales. It's strange that I only see outside state cars buying their weed at these places. I guess if
    you already have a local dealer, you can get by without paying taxes on it.
    I also wonder if the undocumented growers sell theirs at a greater discount than the places that are required to jump through hoops for the government?

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  • From Mortifis@EPHRAM to Moondog on Wed Jul 15 01:50:11 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: paulie420 to Mortifis on Mon Jul 13 2020 06:04 pm

    I grew up in Humboldt county, California... where the pot business has thrived illegally for decades. That side almost completely hates the legal side; its been interesting to see how both sides react the current situation in America.

    I'm all for it - but also don't think its some cool thing to do, being 40. M teenager may or many not disagree. :P

    pAULIE42oars.

    Michigan allows recreational use now, and there are three dispenaries int he little town I live outside of. We're close to the borders of IL and IN, so most of the cars taking up the parking spots in town are out of state. Due to covid, the places are doing curbside service. Reminds me of years ago on t he other side of town where a car would pull up in front of a house, and the dudes sitting on the porch would perform curbside sales. It's strange that I only see outside state cars buying their weed at these places. I guess if
    you already have a local dealer, you can get by without paying taxes on it. I also wonder if the undocumented growers sell theirs at a greater discount than the places that are required to jump through hoops for the government?

    before canadian feds legalized it there were lots of private medical dispensaries, people invested tons of cash setting up, then, in nova scotia, anyway, the province decided they'd be the only dealer on the block and shut all of the private shops down and made them illegal :/

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Mortifis on Wed Jul 15 01:08:02 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Mortifis to Moondog on Wed Jul 15 2020 01:50 am

    before canadian feds legalized it there were lots of private medical dispensaries, people invested tons of cash setting up, then, in nova scotia, anyway, the province decided they'd be the only dealer on the block and shut all of the private shops down and made them illegal :/


    wow didnt know that.
    in the usa states are making it legal but on a federal level they are illegal.

    SO, if they want to they can go in and seize everything and shut them down on a whim.
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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to MRO on Wed Jul 15 14:36:00 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: MRO to Mortifis on Wed Jul 15 2020 01:08 am

    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Mortifis to Moondog on Wed Jul 15 2020 01:50 am

    before canadian feds legalized it there were lots of private medical dispensaries, people invested tons of cash setting up, then, in nova scot anyway, the province decided they'd be the only dealer on the block and s all of the private shops down and made them illegal :/


    wow didnt know that.
    in the usa states are making it legal but on a federal level they are illega

    SO, if they want to they can go in and seize everything and shut them down o whim.

    Before Michigan legalized recrerational use, it was medicial use only. The "care givers" could legally sell weed to people with medicial use cards. A
    guy I went to school became a care giver, and he built a huge greenhouse and office complex to perform his sales out of. He could've worked from home,
    but didn't want the wierd or sketchy customers coming around his family at home. There were stories going around about dealers getting robbed, and he didn't want to put his family in harms way. Another issue was all the sales w ere in cash because he couldn't bank his money in federal banking
    institutions because the feds didn't recognize it as legaly acquired money. Imagine having $50-100k in cash sitting around, and everyone knows it? One dispensary owner had three guys from Chicago come out to his house, force him at gunpoint to show them where the money was, and shot him.

    I have no idea how the the dispensary rules are, or whether they can store money in a federally insured bank.

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  • From Ogg@EOTLBBS to All on Wed Jul 15 22:17:00 2020
    Hello Moondog!

    ** On Wednesday 15.07.20 - 14:36, moondog wrote to MRO:

    ... Another issue was all the sales w ere in cash because he couldn't
    bank his money in federal banking institutions because the feds didn't recognize it as legaly acquired money. Imagine having $50-100k in cash sitting around, and everyone knows it?

    The feds were not interested to collect the taxes on it? Interesting.


    I have no idea how the the dispensary rules are, or whether they can
    store money in a federally insured bank.

    In Canada, the feds are very much in control of the "approved"
    dispensaries. Every purchase is tracked and must be accounted for.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Ogg on Thu Jul 16 20:43:00 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Ogg to All on Wed Jul 15 2020 10:17 pm

    Hello Moondog!

    ** On Wednesday 15.07.20 - 14:36, moondog wrote to MRO:

    ... Another issue was all the sales w ere in cash because he couldn't bank his money in federal banking institutions because the feds didn't recognize it as legaly acquired money. Imagine having $50-100k in cash sitting around, and everyone knows it?

    The feds were not interested to collect the taxes on it? Interesting.


    I have no idea how the the dispensary rules are, or whether they can store money in a federally insured bank.

    In Canada, the feds are very much in control of the "approved"
    dispensaries. Every purchase is tracked and must be accounted for.

    I'm sure the Feds would like to collect money from it, but it is considered
    at the federal level an illegal controleed substance. It's legal at the sate level because individual states reserve certain rights

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Moondog on Fri Jul 17 17:34:04 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Jul 15 2020 02:36 pm

    office complex to perform his sales out of. He could've worked from home, but didn't want the wierd or sketchy customers coming around his family at home. There were stories going around about dealers getting robbed, and he didn't want to put his family in harms way. Another issue was all the sales ere in cash because he couldn't bank his money in federal banking institutions because the feds didn't recognize it as legaly acquired money. Imagine having $50-100k in cash sitting around, and everyone knows it? One

    if you dont have clean money you cant use it for more than a few things.
    the irs will end up getting your ass, too.

    you cant have the nice things in life unless you clean that money somehow.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Jul 17 17:37:44 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Ogg to All on Wed Jul 15 2020 10:17 pm

    Hello Moondog!

    ** On Wednesday 15.07.20 - 14:36, moondog wrote to MRO:

    ... Another issue was all the sales w ere in cash because he couldn't bank his money in federal banking institutions because the feds didn't recognize it as legaly acquired money. Imagine having $50-100k in cash sitting around, and everyone knows it?

    The feds were not interested to collect the taxes on it? Interesting.


    I have no idea how the the dispensary rules are, or whether they can store money in a federally insured bank.

    In Canada, the feds are very much in control of the "approved" dispensaries. Every purchase is tracked and must be accounted for.


    i guess they are required to pay federal tax, but many banks wont take them.

    i know a guy with a vape shop that got some cbd stuff. his bank dropped him and he had to fight to get his money from them. they dropped him with notice or warning. just one day no workie.

    https://qz.com/1461947/the-irs-cant-handle-cannabis-companies-all-cash-tax-paym ents/
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Moondog on Fri Jul 17 17:38:58 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Moondog to Ogg on Thu Jul 16 2020 08:43 pm

    I'm sure the Feds would like to collect money from it, but it is considered at the federal level an illegal controleed substance. It's legal at the sat level because individual states reserve certain rights


    dude, the govt always gets paid.

    they got almost 5 billion in taxes in 2018
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  • From Ogg@EOTLBBS to MRO on Fri Jul 17 20:41:00 2020
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Friday 17.07.20 - 18:37, mro wrote to Ogg:

    i guess they are required to pay federal tax, but many banks wont take
    them.

    i know a guy with a vape shop that got some cbd stuff. his bank dropped
    him and he had to fight to get his money from them. they dropped him
    with notice or warning. just one day no workie.

    Seems illogical to allow the vape or cbd biz, but not facilitate payments
    to irs, banks, etc. with cash. Is it the smell?


    https://qz.com/1461947/the-irs-cant-handle-cannabis-companies-all-cash- tax-payments/

    Ah... this is probably the crux of the matter: "the IRS would still prefer
    to be paid by check, credit card, or electronic deposit, "rather than with bags of cash smelling of weed.""
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Maybe the IRS should simply launder the money to clean it up, literally! LOL.

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  • From paulie420@BEERS20 to MRO on Fri Jul 17 18:47:00 2020
    if you dont have clean money you cant use it for more than a few things. the irs will end up getting your ass, too.

    you cant have the nice things in life unless you clean that money
    somehow. ---

    Some people go a lifetime without playing by the rules...



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  • From paulie420@BEERS20 to MRO on Fri Jul 17 18:47:00 2020
    dude, the govt always gets paid.

    lol



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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Jul 17 23:42:36 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Ogg to MRO on Fri Jul 17 2020 08:41 pm


    Ah... this is probably the crux of the matter: "the IRS would still prefer to be paid by check, credit card, or electronic deposit, "rather than with bags of cash smelling of weed.""
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Maybe the IRS should simply launder the money to clean it up, literally!

    i think that was the owner of the weed dispensary talking.
    it costs a lot of money to process cash. the irs spent tons. the company they used to handle it got paid a lot.

    banks are selective and they dont want to deal with the bullshit because they dont have to. what if the guy starts off with weed and then starts making deals and selling other shit and putting the money from THAT stuff into the bank. and then the feds seize it.
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  • From Arelor@PALANT to MRO on Sat Jul 18 06:00:32 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: MRO to Ogg on Fri Jul 17 2020 11:42 pm

    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Ogg to MRO on Fri Jul 17 2020 08:41 pm


    Ah... this is probably the crux of the matter: "the IRS would still prefer to be paid by check, credit card, or electro
    deposit, "rather than with bags of cash smelling of weed."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Maybe the IRS should simply launder the money to clean it up, literally!

    i think that was the owner of the weed dispensary talking.
    it costs a lot of money to process cash. the irs spent tons. the company they used to handle it got paid a lot.

    banks are selective and they dont want to deal with the bullshit because they dont have to. what if the guy starts off with
    weed and then starts making deals and selling other shit and putting the money from THAT stuff into the bank. and then the
    feds seize it.

    I think that is a bit of a slippery slope.

    Just because you are dealing beer does not mean you are going to start dealing illegal whiskey you distilled in your cellar.

    But yeah I can see bankings trying to stay clear from controversial money sources.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Jul 18 20:03:43 2020
    Re: Re: Cannibis
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2020 06:00 am


    banks are selective and they dont want to deal with the bullshit
    because they dont have to. what if the guy starts off with weed and
    then starts making deals and selling other shit and putting the money
    from THAT stuff into the bank. and then the feds seize it.

    I think that is a bit of a slippery slope.

    Just because you are dealing beer does not mean you are going to start dealing illegal whiskey you distilled in your cellar.

    But yeah I can see bankings trying to stay clear from controversial money sources.



    well marijuana is illegal on the federal level. so the banks dont want to
    take the risk, which i understand.
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