• 2020 Presedential Election

    From Al@TRMB to All on Sun Jun 14 02:11:26 2020
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    • 2020 Presedential Election
    • Who will you vote for?
    • 1) Donald J Trump
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    • 2) Joe Biden
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Al on Sun Jun 14 07:12:42 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Al to on Sun Jun 14 2020 02:11 am

    Who will you vote for?

    1: Donald J Trump [0 0.00%]
    2: Joe Biden [1 100.00%] √

    I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me up every single time Trump lees him have it... I would almost align more with what Biden stands for, IN THIS INSTANCE.. but altho I don't agree with most of what comes out of Trumps mouth... Joe really does seem like he has no idea where he's at.

    :P

    That being said, I won't vote for Trump either... He does some things that are just unpresidential to me; I couldn't give him a vote in the fall either. Since these are going to be my two options, I'll be staying home this November.

    God help us all.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to Al on Sun Jun 14 11:26:13 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Al to on Sun Jun 14 2020 02:11 am

    Who will you vote for?

    1: Donald J Trump [0 0.00%]
    2: Joe Biden [1 100.00%] √

    Why are these the only two options? I'm not sure I really like either of them. There's another person running, Jo Jorgensen. Usually there are more people running, but this year it looks like only those three..
    https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to paulie420 on Sun Jun 14 11:27:58 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:12 am

    I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me up

    Biden is only 5 years older than Trump. Joe Biden is 77, and Trump is getting up there in age too, at 74..

    Nightfox

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  • From Al@TRMB to paulie420 on Sun Jun 14 20:19:13 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:12 am

    I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me up every single time Trump lees him have it... I would almost align more with what Biden stands for, IN THIS INSTANCE.. but altho I don't agree with most of what comes out of Trumps mouth... Joe really does seem like he has no idea where he's at.

    I Canada we have more than two choices although only two or maybe three of them have a real chance of being elected. Currently we have a minority government that could be toppled at just about any time and we'd be back at the polls doing the same thing over agian with the same result.

    You are voting for more than just the president. The president alone cannot give you a good economy or other needful things. A bad president can do a lot of damage to what has already be accomplished. The same is true in Canada.

    That being said, I won't vote for Trump either... He does some things that are just unpresidential to me; I couldn't give him a vote in the fall either. Since these are going to be my two options, I'll be staying home this November.

    I think it important at all times to vote, now maybe more important than ever. Your vote does count, if you vote.

    God help us all.

    There is that too.. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@TRMB to Nightfox on Sun Jun 14 20:27:41 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Nightfox to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:26 am

    Why are these the only two options?

    I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have added them as well.

    I'm not sure I really like either of them. There's another person running, Jo Jorgensen. Usually there are more people running, but this year it looks like only those three.. https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

    That's a bad omission on my part and it should probably be redone.

    Ttyl :-),
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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to Al on Mon Jun 15 08:43:02 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Al to Nightfox on Sun Jun 14 2020 08:27 pm

    Why are these the only two options?

    I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have added them as well.

    There are almost always other people running in addition to the main democratic & republican candidates.

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Nightfox on Mon Jun 15 16:40:33 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Nightfox to Al on Mon Jun 15 2020 08:43 am

    Why are these the only two options?

    Cause this country has had a two party voting system for 100 years.

    I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have
    added them as well.

    There are almost always other people running in addition to the main democratic & republican candidates.

    Yes but none of them has ever won a presidential election. Now here's something that needs to be changed in this country. Stop burning down buildings and put all that energy into changing how we vote and who gets to run for President. Those are laws worth fighting for. Not replacing police officers. It's probably not in our younger generation to make the changes needed. They'll make statements burning buildings down and fighting cops but "NO REAL CHANGE" will ever happen that way. Sad...very Sad.

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  • From Tracker1@TRN to Nightfox on Tue Jun 16 17:54:28 2020
    On 6/15/2020 8:43 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have added them
    as well.

    There are almost always other people running in addition to the main democratic & republican candidates.

    Less than there used to be... the D's and R's in most of the country
    have pushed local legislation in such was that it's much harder to get
    third parties and independents on the ballots.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 17 22:13:57 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:27 am

    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:12 am

    I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me
    up

    Biden is only 5 years older than Trump. Joe Biden is 77, and Trump is getting up there in age too, at 74..

    Someone must of got a hold of him - he did better today with the response to Trumps coronavirus speech, 6/17/20... Its nuts what a little bit of confidence does.

    During these hard times, it seems that Americas attitude switches weekly with how things are going. It's sure going to be a crazy race thru November this time around... I think if the election were tomorrow, Biden would win; who knows what will happen between now and then.

    Listen, I am not a Trump supporter - but I'm not a total ANTI-Trumpian either.. however the more he goes on and on I'm thinking Biden is looking better all the time. If Trump would have a litle bit of class, and any decency - I'd support him much more... I just can't get around the whole HES NOT PRESIDENTIAL thing.

    Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Al on Wed Jun 17 22:19:14 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Al to paulie420 on Sun Jun 14 2020 08:19 pm

    I think it important at all times to vote, now maybe more important than ever. Your vote does count, if you vote.

    If I do get out and vote, and I agree with you - IT MATTERS, it'll only be to pick the better of two evils. With everything that Trump has ended up being, it blows me away that the dems couldn't come up with a better pick to go up against what I would think was an easy opponent to beat... that, or they really should have spent more time, money and effort into making sure Biden was ready to open his mouth and win this thing.

    The last three months of Biden, for me, only changed my mind from thinking he was a strong ex vice-president solid pick... into thinking, like Trump says, that he doesn't even know where he is...

    Guess its important to not generalize and sterotype in this situation. I'm sure its hard to be perfect when you're judged so quickly and absolutely, running for POTUS.

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  • From DaiTengu@ENSEMBLE to paulie420 on Thu Jun 18 06:42:18 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Al on Wed Jun 17 2020 10:19 pm

    If I do get out and vote, and I agree with you - IT MATTERS, it'll only be to pick the better of two evils.

    I'm currently wearing a "Cthulhu 2020: Why vote for the lesser evil?" shirt.

    The last three months of Biden, for me, only changed my mind from thinking he was a strong ex vice-president solid pick... into thinking, like Trump says, that he doesn't even know where he is...

    Biden's actually done quite well over the last few weeksa nd
    for a month or more before that, he's been quarantined in his home. He's made some execellent speeches in the wake of the Floyd protests, and if he can carry through on his ideas and promises, I think it improve this country for the better.

    A lot of Joe's bumbling speech patterns seem to stem from his stuttering problem. The Atlantic wrote a great article about it a few months back, it's a bit of a long read, but it's worth it. You get a little more insight into the man.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/joe-biden-stutter-profile/ 602401/

    DaiTengu

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Thu Jun 18 16:26:56 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 17 2020 10:13 pm


    Listen, I am not a Trump supporter - but I'm not a total ANTI-Trumpian eithe however the more he goes on and on I'm thinking Biden is looking better all time. If Trump would have a litle bit of class, and any decency - I'd suppor him much more... I just can't get around the whole HES NOT PRESIDENTIAL thin

    Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.


    yes, trump is an asshole, but he also knows how to handle people and he also gets results. maybe it's some type of venting thing, i dunno.

    all i know is what he does works and what these other guys do does not work. biden is freaking senile. i'm not even joking. he has 2 brain cells and they are fighting.
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to DaiTengu on Thu Jun 18 17:09:10 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: DaiTengu to paulie420 on Thu Jun 18 2020 06:42 am

    Biden's actually done quite well over the last few weeksa nd
    for a month or more before that, he's been quarantined in his home. He's made some execellent speeches in the wake of the Floyd protests, and if he can carry through on his ideas and promises, I think it improve this country for the better.

    I agree that more recently he's been making more sense - and you know, IMO he comes with a HISTORY of good political background. Which is the main thing I'm missing in Trump. He never was a POTUS; we just voted him in... he's a business man... and it wasn't a smart idea to want change so bad that we forgot we need to have some standards. Not everyone is presidential material. Noted, America...

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to MRO on Thu Jun 18 17:15:35 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Thu Jun 18 2020 04:26 pm

    yes, trump is an asshole, but he also knows how to handle people and he also gets results. maybe it's some type of venting thing, i dunno.

    all i know is what he does works and what these other guys do does not work. biden is freaking senile. i'm not even joking. he has 2 brain cells and they are fighting.

    I disagree that Trump 'gets things done'... the covid response was horrid; I mean that shutdown... completely useless and put our economy in the shitter. YES; I'm one of the ones who thought a shutdown was needed... but what was the worst was shutting down for 2 months and then throwing it all away like we've done in the past month.
    How hard is it to make American companies create all the PPE that we needed, and fund a TRUE shutdown - pay everyones living expenses for 6 months, shut down for 6 months and HANDLE this thing... really kick its ass... but no, look what we got.

    And sure; his business tactics have helped America in ways... however yes, I'm one of the debaters that will argue they are in vain too, in the long run - because NO ONE will ever continue what Trump started... so all of his advances are gonna go away the moment Dems **OR** Reps take the office; no one else can be the POTUS in the asshat way Trump can... so all his unpresidential ways of getting things done - GONE the moment he's out of office.

    Regardless, its looking pretty bleak for him right now - He'll really need to hit homeruns from here on out to sway the Americans AGAIN. IMO.

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  • From Arelor@PALANT to paulie420 on Fri Jun 19 07:05:10 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Thu Jun 18 2020 05:15 pm

    I disagree that Trump 'gets things done'... the covid response was horrid; I mean t
    shutdown... completely useless and put our economy in the shitter. YES; I'm one of
    ones who thought a shutdown was needed... but what was the worst was shutting down
    2 months and then throwing it all away like we've done in the past month. How hard is it to make American companies create all the PPE that we needed, and fu
    a TRUE shutdown - pay everyones living expenses for 6 months, shut down for 6 month
    and HANDLE this thing... really kick its ass... but no, look what we got.

    And sure; his business tactics have helped America in ways... however yes, I'm one
    the debaters that will argue they are in vain too, in the long run - because NO ONE
    will ever continue what Trump started... so all of his advances are gonna go away t
    moment Dems **OR** Reps take the office; no one else can be the POTUS in the asshat
    way Trump can... so all his unpresidential ways of getting things done - GONE the
    moment he's out of office.

    Regardless, its looking pretty bleak for him right now - He'll really need to hit
    homeruns from here on out to sway the Americans AGAIN. IMO.

    If you want an horrid pandemic response, I invite you to see what "horrid" is about
    next time you travel to Spain.

    You cannot shut a country down for 6 (or three motnhs for that matter) and think you
    can solve unemployment paying people. When you shut factories down in order to avoid
    the disease, food stops being distributed, medicines stop being manufactured, and so
    on. So yeah you may have 30k USD federal money but in the end of the day it is worth
    crap because you can buy nothing with it. All of that while other geopolitical powers
    position themselves around the globe while you starve in hibernation.

    To be honest, I would have liked a prime minister that was so agressive defending the
    interests of my country as Trump defends the US'. Sadly it looks like we Spaniards are
    getting the blunt end. For quite a while already, we have been living as part of big
    orgs that basically pay or mitigate our expenses (EU, NATO, etc.) Orgs that are usually sustained mainly by a bunch of small countries pulling the rest of the members
    as burdens. So we basically got used to playing the weako card and get away with
    contributing nothing.

    However, the Trump administration knows we pull troops from hostile areas and leave US
    soldiers in the dust if there is a risk of things getting hot, knows Spanish politicians pay anti-American media for propagandistic reasons, and promote anti-American policies in the EU (I wonder if any of this hits the news over there).
    With other american presidents, there used to be no big consequences. With the Trump
    administration, we are getting tariffs and funds cancelled, because it would be stupid
    for the US to pay hostile "allies".

    I think that is way more presidential than doing what Obama did, which was to see how
    we pulled our fleets from angerous seas and let the rest of the NATO to fend threats
    off, and then pretend we were the best friends ever. Unless your defitinion of "Presidential" is "Hypocrite".

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to paulie420 on Fri Jun 19 09:57:20 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Thu Jun 18 2020 05:15 pm

    what was the worst was shutting down for 2 months and then throwing it all office; no one else can be the POTUS in the asshat way Trump can... so all his unpresidential ways of getting things done - GONE the moment he's out of office.

    Regardless, its looking pretty bleak for him right now - He'll really need to hit homeruns from here on out to sway the Americans AGAIN. IMO.

    Let me explain something to everone. Every State has the right shut down business, order lock downs etc. States do NOT need permision from the president to do this. BUT. and pay attention. This is a big BUT. Any State that does so will have to use it's own State funds to pay for it. No Federal money is sent to the State unless it's approved by Washington. Stop blaming our President and Call your Governor and tell him/her to shut things down if that's what you want. Of course any Governor is going to to tell you "We don't have the money in our budget to do that". Then the Governor will blame Trump for not sending him/her a few billion dollars. That's politics.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Fri Jun 19 16:39:11 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Thu Jun 18 2020 05:15 pm

    I disagree that Trump 'gets things done'... the covid response was horrid; I mean that shutdown... completely useless and put our economy in the shitter. YES; I'm one of the ones who thought a shutdown was needed... but what was t worst was shutting down for 2 months and then throwing it all away like we'v

    he was just doing what the experts were telling him.

    done in the past month.
    How hard is it to make American companies create all the PPE that we needed, and fund a TRUE shutdown - pay everyones living expenses for 6 months, shut down for 6 months and HANDLE this thing... really kick its ass... but no, lo

    its very hard to get american companies to create ppe for us. they would rather make it and send it to china.

    it's very hard to pay everyone's living expenses. my expenses are high. that 1200 stimulus wouldnt handle it.

    also the money they gave you comes from people. it doesnt come from thin air. the govt makes money off the people.

    furthermore, hiding from it isnt helping. especially when people wont follow instructions and they were all out at walmart, home depot en masse.

    you cant kick this thing's ass. it's going to be around forever.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 16:49:43 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Arelor to paulie420 on Fri Jun 19 2020 07:05 am

    You cannot shut a country down for 6 (or three motnhs for that matter) and think you can solve unemployment paying people. When you shut factories down order to avoid the disease, food stops being distributed, medicines stop bei manufactured, and so on. So yeah you may have 30k USD federal money but in t end of the day it is worth crap because you can buy nothing with it. All of that while other geopolitical powers position themselves around the globe wh

    the usa is big. bigger than most people in other countries think.

    the usa can not cannabalize itself and keep all the businesses running and pay everyone's bills.

    there's a supplier that we use that has been around since the 1940s. my company is now their only client and they are shutting down after 3 months of this covid shutdown shit. it has destroyed many many businesses. these businesses are not coming back and they might not be replaced.


    they gave us 1200/month one time and people on unemployment get whatever amount they get plus 600 usd. i think this is all taxed so it's a lot less than what people think.
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 18:17:26 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Arelor to paulie420 on Fri Jun 19 2020 07:05 am

    If you want an horrid pandemic response, I invite you to see what "horrid" is about next time you travel to Spain.

    You cannot shut a country down for 6 (or three motnhs for that matter) and think you can solve unemployment paying people. When you shut factories down in order to avoid the disease, food stops being distributed, medicines stop being manufactured, and so on. So yeah you may have 30k USD federal money but in the end of the day it is worth crap because you can buy nothing with it. All of that while other geopolitical powers position themselves around the globe while you starve in hibernation.

    Eh, I disagree.. of course we wouldn't have shut down food, hospitals nor REAL essnentials. But we would have shut down Home Depot... Walmart (one side anyway) and other places that remained open here... I was one of the guys who had to work, because we got nothing... and maybe America doesn't know - but there was effectively NO shutdown -- it was more packed after corona than before...

    Without writing a book, you sound intelligent and know that theres a way we could have done a real shutdown - different ideas of how to get from A to Z. I feel like we're still at A because of the way your champion handled this... oh yea, and he's fixing to lose.... I can wait the 5 months to say I told ya so.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Fri Jun 19 18:20:55 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Fri Jun 19 2020 09:57 am

    Let me explain something to everone. Every State has the right shut down business, order lock downs etc. States do NOT need permision from the president to do this. BUT. and pay attention. This is a big BUT. Any State that does so will have to use it's own State funds to pay for it. No Federal money is sent to the State unless it's approved by Washington. Stop blaming our President and Call your Governor and tell him/her to shut things down if that's what you want. Of course any Governor is going to to tell you "We don't have the money in our budget to do that". Then the Governor will blame Trump for not sending him/her a few billion dollars. That's politics.

    Sure is politics... and so is the respnse that we got; shitty thing is, we're worse off than day 1... on month 4, and with the economy shitted on too. We're worse off today than when we started, have more virus, and Trump shaking. Great.... good job.

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  • From Arelor@HAVENS to paulie420 on Sat Jun 20 15:21:38 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 2020 06:17 pm

    Eh, I disagree.. of course we wouldn't have shut down food, hospitals nor REAL essnentials. But we would have shut down Home Depot... Walmart (one side anyway) and other places that remained open here... I was one of the guys who had to work, because we got nothing... and maybe America doesn't know - but there was effectively NO shutdown -- it was more packed after corona than before...

    Without writing a book, you sound intelligent and know that theres a way we could have done a real shutdown - different ideas of how to get from A to Z. I feel like we're still at A because of the way your champion handled this... oh yea, and he's fixing to lose.... I can wait the 5 months to say I told ya so.

    Actually, I have published books, articles and other materials in both Spain and the US, so I have a book. More than one.

    Also, I wish I had a champion to defend my interests, but that is not really the case.

    Shutting everything down but the strategic sectors is what Spain did. We have had one of the heaviest lockdowns of the 1st world. First, the central government declared Alarm State which is basically martial law without the army. Autonomies (think States) got cancelled and the central government took over. Strategic services (hospitals, protection equipment manufacturers, laboratories) got socialized. People weren't allowed out of their house unless they had a very strong case. Civil Guar (army) got deployed to enforce the lockdown.

    Thanks God somebody knows what he is doing, right?

    Wrong.

    First of all, the emergency unemployment resources targetting people who were losing their jobs to the lockdown are nowhere to be seen. Official word is people is getting paid, extraofficial word from the unemployment center is they can't deal with the avalanche of people claiming they have not ben paid a dime in three months.

    Second, there are more things that are strategic than people think. Potatoes are strategic. In order to sustain the potato sector, you need a truck sector. A chemistry sector. Fuel distribution. Telecommunications. Electricists. Engineers. If you declare that only strategic industries are to be kept operational, you have all those people still working... people who goes to the potato field, gets infected, and then returns home and infects people who were doing actual lockdown. With martial_law_lite and everything, Spain has nearly 30k official deadly cases (andd they are likely to be many more, since the government has stoped updating the statistics).

    Also, some of the socialized industries were put to half-load. That is, public transport halved the amount of metro trips, for example. Which resulted in the strategic workers having to be crammed in a few buses and wagons because they could not wait and take another less crammed one.

    By the 30th day or so hospitals were screwed, they were sending infected people to die at home, many of my friends have no money to buy the groceries or pay rent.

    So,

    I sympathise with the idea of a long lockdown, but it is a tried idea and I consider it a failed one. The nation is in debt and will be dealing with a EU rescue most likely, people is ruined, people is infected, and while they are declaring the virus is over, my contacts in local hospitals say the damn thing is bouncing back. I think the government is trying to make it look like the problems are over because they just don't have more money to keep as they are.

    Conclussion?

    I don't know what the solution is, but you are proposing the Spanish route, and the Spanish route leads to infected people and poor people at once. Not that I think the federal governemnt in the US could enforce a lockdown that was 75% as severe as ours... people would get to the streets claiming Trump is a tyrant and a Hitler and whatnot. Actually, they are doing that already without him having to call a heavy lockdown forth (by the way, why is it that people who blames the feds for not enforcing a heavy lockdown are among the people supporting the BLMs on the streets?)

    So my proposal is to just come up with another solution. 6 months of lockdown won't make it because you won't get 3 to begin with.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Arelor on Sat Jun 20 21:00:54 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Arelor to paulie420 on Sat Jun 20 2020 03:21 pm

    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 2020 06:17 pm
    Actually, I have published books, articles and other materials in both Spain and the US, so I have a book. More than one.

    Also, I wish I had a champion to defend my interests, but that is not really the case.

    Shutting everything down but the strategic sectors is what Spain did. We have had one of the heaviest lockdowns of the 1st world. First, the central government declared Alarm State which is basically martial law without the army. Autonomies (think States) got cancelled and the central government took over. Strategic services (hospitals, protection equipment manufacturers, laboratories) got socialized. People weren't allowed out of their house unless they had a very strong case. Civil Guar (army) got deployed to enforce the lockdown.

    Thanks God somebody knows what he is doing, right?

    Wrong.

    First of all, the emergency unemployment resources targetting people who were losing their jobs to the lockdown are nowhere to be seen. Official word is people is getting paid, extraofficial word from the unemployment center is they can't deal with the avalanche of people claiming they have not ben paid a dime in three months.

    Second, there are more things that are strategic than people think. Potatoes are strategic. In order to sustain the potato sector, you need a truck sector. A chemistry sector. Fuel distribution. Telecommunications. Electricists. Engineers. If you declare that only strategic industries are to be kept operational, you have all those people still working... people who goes to the potato field, gets infected, and then returns home and infects people who were doing actual lockdown. With martial_law_lite and everything, Spain has nearly 30k official deadly cases (andd they are likely to be many more, since the government has stoped updating the statistics).

    Also, some of the socialized industries were put to half-load. That is, public transport halved the amount of metro trips, for example. Which resulted in the strategic workers having to be crammed in a few buses and wagons because they could not wait and take another less crammed one.

    By the 30th day or so hospitals were screwed, they were sending infected people to die at home, many of my friends have no money to buy the groceries or pay rent.

    So,

    I sympathise with the idea of a long lockdown, but it is a tried idea and I consider it a failed one. The nation is in debt and will be dealing with a EU rescue most likely, people is ruined, people is infected, and while they are declaring the virus is over, my contacts in local hospitals say the damn thing is bouncing back. I think the government is trying to make it look like the problems are over because they just don't have more money to keep as they are.

    Conclussion?

    I don't know what the solution is, but you are proposing the Spanish route, and the Spanish route leads to infected people and poor people at once. Not that I think the federal governemnt in the US could enforce a lockdown that was 75% as severe as ours... people would get to the streets claiming Trump is a tyrant and a Hitler and whatnot. Actually, they are doing that already without him having to call a heavy lockdown forth (by the way, why is it that people who blames the feds for not enforcing a heavy lockdown are among the people supporting the BLMs on the streets?)

    So my proposal is to just come up with another solution. 6 months of lockdown won't make it because you won't get 3 to begin with.


    Well, I can argue the differences of Italy and America till I'm blue in the face... such as; we are not Italy... we dwarf them in size, population and financial backing and ability. Of course, someone (WE) pay for it in the end.. but I retort that America COULD weather the storm.. could succeed where you say Italy imploded under their shutdown - but honestly, I don't have to;

    My original point was that *we shouldn't have shutdown* - damn sure not the way that Trump 'helped' our society to get thru it. OUR shutdown was a joke - the people who NEED the support hopefully got $1200, a sum that literally does fucking nothing... and then 2 months later we throw ALL OF THAT down the drain anyway.

    Now that we are reopening, basically nullifying EVERYTHING we gave up *and* paid for through the American shutdow, we both have to pay for what we did do for folks... AND suffer through losing any benefit that we gained from the shutdown. We are crossing our fingers that we magically come through with a perfect vaccine - lord help us.

    No, I think we SHOULDN'T have shutdown and just gave everyone the TOOLS they needed to make it through living with covid for 24 months. We could have supplied the population with tools and techniques to quell the virus. We would have gained all of that economy that we pissed away by closing the entire thing down. We would have had product and hopefully INFORMATION from out government - and the oversight to enforce worthy, intelligent solutions in a way where the population knew we had to participate, not just shout America and fuck off...

    Tell Americans the truth. We can handle the truth. We can rise to the occasion of taking on what seems unsurmountable - - but feed us bullshit, saying that you're taking care of us and then give SOME folks $1200 - because I Got zero - was a fleecing of America for six months of their lives - and livlihood.. and we're in a worse position now for it.

    What orange guy did was gaurantee that my eyes are wide open - I'll vote him out this year, even though my line falls more on the right than left. Donald Trump fucked the reps. Donald Trump, and crew, failed America.

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  • From Arelor@PALANT to paulie420 on Tue Jun 23 13:34:43 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sat Jun 20 2020 09:00 pm

    Well, I can argue the differences of Italy and America till I'm blue in the face... such as;
    are not Italy... we dwarf them in size, population and financial backing and ability. Of
    course, someone (WE) pay for it in the end.. but I retort that America COULD weather the
    storm.. could succeed where you say Italy imploded under their shutdown - but honestly, I do
    have to;

    I should be offended that you think I am Italian. Being regularly mistaken for a Mexican is bad
    enough already.

    TBH I think the points about the control of the virus are moot now, since I bet the riots and
    protesting are ensuring the spread of the virus to the point not even a proper lockdown could
    have made a difference.

    But yes, I think Western governments have failed the population when thei failed to inform the
    population. I would say the CHinesse government failed too, but nobody ever expected them to be
    truthful to begin with.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Tue Jun 23 19:19:00 2020
    My original point was that *we shouldn't have shutdown* - damn sure not the way
    that Trump 'helped' our society to get thru it. OUR shutdown was a joke - the p
    ople who NEED the support hopefully got $1200, a sum that literally does fuckin
    nothing... and then 2 months later we throw ALL OF THAT down the drain anyway.

    I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of states and
    cities started their own shutdowns before he did. Honestly, aside from
    closing the boarders, and making suggestions, did the Federal Government actually shut much down?

    Here in my state, our Governor was the one passing the executive orders shutting things down. Pretty sure it was that way on the West Coast also.

    OTOH, it is my understanding that some states in the center of the country never did really have complete shutdowns and, if they did, they only lasted
    a month or so. Since I did not hear anything about federal troops invading
    the Dakotas to force their compliance, I don't think it was a federal level shutdown.


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  • From Gamgee@PALANT to Dumas Walker on Wed Jun 24 07:48:00 2020
    Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-

    I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of
    states and cities started their own shutdowns before he did.
    Honestly, aside from closing the boarders, and making
    suggestions, did the Federal Government actually shut much down?

    Of course it's not Trump's "fault". The Feds shut down only Fed
    stuff. The blaming of Trump was just a convenient way for the
    "mainstream" media to assist the DNC in attempting to hurt Trump
    for the upcoming election. That sham continues to this day.

    Here in my state, our Governor was the one passing the executive
    orders shutting things down. Pretty sure it was that way on the
    West Coast also.

    All shutdowns in all states were initiated/controlled by the
    state's Governor.

    OTOH, it is my understanding that some states in the center of
    the country never did really have complete shutdowns and, if they
    did, they only lasted a month or so. Since I did not hear
    anything about federal troops invading the Dakotas to force their compliance, I don't think it was a federal level shutdown.

    Correct, it was not.

    Again, it has provided an easy way for the Democrats (ably
    assisted by their friends, the media) to attempt to make Trump
    look bad. The same way they initially slammed him for shutting
    down travel from China/EU, and then later slammed him for being
    too slow to do so.

    Hypocrisy at the highest levels.



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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Arelor on Wed Jun 24 03:18:51 2020
    Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Arelor to paulie420 on Tue Jun 23 2020 01:34 pm

    I should be offended that you think I am Italian. Being regularly mistaken for a Mexican is bad enough already.

    I thought you insinuated that you lived in Italy in the first post; which is why I stated such - still, I shouldn't insinuate.

    But yes, I think Western governments have failed the population when thei failed to inform the population. I would say the CHinesse government failed too, but nobody ever expected them to be truthful to begin with.

    The world sees. The EU is going to ban Americans from coming into their country - lol... go Trump.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jun 24 03:19:51 2020
    Re: The Shutdown
    By: Dumas Walker to PAULIE420 on Tue Jun 23 2020 07:19 pm

    I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of states and cities started their own shutdowns before he did. Honestly, aside from closing the boarders, and making suggestions, did the Federal Government actually shut much down?

    'they came to me and said sir, we have to shut it down.'
    'and so we did.'

    -trump

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to paulie420 on Wed Jun 24 16:20:29 2020
    Re: The Shutdown
    By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jun 24 2020 03:19 am

    I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of states
    Federal Government actually shut much down?

    No you can't Blame Trump. He doesn't have that kind of power. He could if he wanted to but he's learned to stay clear of using "exeutive privilege" powers. The left just needs someone to blame because they don't have any leadership to point to.

    'they came to me and said sir, we have to shut it down.'
    'and so we did.'

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  • From Tracker1@TRN to paulie420 on Tue Jun 30 12:30:27 2020
    On 6/17/2020 10:13 PM, paulie420 wrote:
    Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.

    https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Tue Jun 30 18:52:02 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Tracker1 to paulie420 on Tue Jun 30 2020 12:30 pm

    On 6/17/2020 10:13 PM, paulie420 wrote:
    Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.

    https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/


    it's trump or biden.
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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Wed Jul 1 12:35:00 2020
    Barring that, the best course is to only slow things down enough to not overwhelm emergency services. Closing major event locations and bars
    would likely have been enough. Given initial projections, the fact that
    only a bit over 100k have died from this is pretty impressive. It also
    looks like later mutations are even less harmful and effective.

    "Flatten the curve." was never supposed to stop anything.

    Agreed. The same idiots complaining about Trump not doing enough are
    probably the same ones who have been out protesting without masks, going
    out and hanging with their buddies on a regular basis, etc. It is sort of
    like having a war but expecting that there will be no casualties.

    OTOH, several hundred could have been potentially saved if governors like
    Cuomo had used the resources the federal government had given them (the
    nearly empty hospital ships and pop-up field hospitals) instead of sending
    the sick elderly back to their nursing homes. They did that in my state
    also, and several other states with (D) governors.


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  • From Tracker1@TRN to MRO on Mon Jul 6 08:40:02 2020
    Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.

    https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/

    it's trump or biden.

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
    Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

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  • From Tracker1@TRN to Dumas Walker on Mon Jul 6 08:43:38 2020
    On 7/1/2020 9:35 AM, Dumas Walker wrote:
    "Flatten the curve." was never supposed to stop anything.

    Agreed. The same idiots complaining about Trump not doing enough are probably the same ones who have been out protesting without masks, going
    out and hanging with their buddies on a regular basis, etc. It is sort of like having a war but expecting that there will be no casualties.

    OTOH, several hundred could have been potentially saved if governors like Cuomo had used the resources the federal government had given them (the nearly empty hospital ships and pop-up field hospitals) instead of sending the sick elderly back to their nursing homes. They did that in my state also, and several other states with (D) governors.

    There were lots of bad decisions to go around... for better or worse,
    the most local governments probably should have done is close event
    centers, major parks and bars while advising that everyone social
    distance and wear a mask, while encouraging larger companies (shopping centers) to require masks.

    I don't like using the weight of the government to force this and beyond
    major gathoring sites, most of the hard requirement attempts do very little.

    It would require a 6 week hard lockdown (everyone closed) combined with
    2 years of no international travel or trade to end it. That's not
    something the US public would ever tollerate, or should they.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 6 21:27:21 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Mon Jul 06 2020 08:40 am

    Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.

    https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/

    it's trump or biden.

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
    Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    i'm not going to waste my vote and have biden get in. trump barely got in last time.

    we have a 2 party election process. you need to just accept it.
    none of these other guys matter.
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Tracker1 on Tue Jul 7 01:01:41 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Tracker1 to Dumas Walker on Mon Jul 06 2020 08:43 am

    It would require a 6 week hard lockdown (everyone closed) combined with
    2 years of no international travel or trade to end it. That's not something the US public would ever tollerate, or should they.

    If we're (America) not careful, we're going to get the 2 year international ban - not by choice.

    I agree with your synopsis of what it [might] take to really address... but I do believe that we are utterly failing with the current leadership, AND the public response. SMH.

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  • From Denn@OUTWEST to MRO on Wed Jul 8 00:17:09 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Election
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 06 2020 09:27 pm

    i'm not going to waste my vote and have biden get in. trump barely got in last time.


    306 to 232 was the final tally, more than just barley :)

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@OTHETA to TRACKER1 on Mon Jul 13 09:09:00 2020
    TRACKER1 wrote to <=-


    it's trump or biden.

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
    Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
    movement...



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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 14 03:29:34 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to TRACKER1 on Mon Jul 13 2020 09:09 am

    TRACKER1 wrote to <=-


    it's trump or biden.

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 14 21:26:00 2020
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
    Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...

    Too bad it comes to that these days. I'm too young to have had a real choice, in
    the matter, for President. Living in California at the age of forty-six, my voice doesn't exist nor does my choice. This state has descended into a real cesspool now. The only thing keeping me here is my family. If my mother finally decides to pick up and move to a nice conservative state (there are many choices
    available), then the spouse and I will be selling and moving. Next month we'll be exploring Nevada. It's desert but, we'll survive if it's near the Sierra. And
    a flight in my plane is about twenty-five minutes to where I live now. So even if I have to come into the office it won't be a major hassle.

    Biden repeats what he's told to say. It's almost as if he's a puppet for the kids ruining his party. If he doesn't end up in jail, he'll eventually just sound like AOC. He'd lose anyway, but being a loud speaker for AOC will only solidify his loss. It's going to be a good November.

    Trump 2020

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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Jul 14 21:27:00 2020
    MRO wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to TRACKER1 on Mon Jul 13 2020 09:09 am

    TRACKER1 wrote to <=-


    it's trump or biden.

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Can't believe I agree with mro here.

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to calcmandan on Wed Jul 15 08:33:48 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: calcmandan to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 14 2020 09:26 pm

    Biden repeats what he's told to say. It's almost as if he's a puppet for the kids ruining his party. If he doesn't end up in jail, he'll eventually

    He is a puppet. And a crook that belongs in jail.

    just sound like AOC. He'd lose anyway, but being a loud speaker for AOC will only solidify his loss. It's going to be a good November.

    Agreed. I live in a liberal state. I get tired of hearing how Trump can't win in November. I sure hope the 49 other states are more connected to reality.
    Well 48 other states. New York and California are lost souls.

    HusTler
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  • From The Lizard Master@NITEEYES to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Jul 15 15:21:09 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to TRACKER1 on Mon Jul 13 2020 09:09 am

    it's trump or biden.

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...

    or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to calcmandan on Wed Jul 15 12:53:53 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: calcmandan to MRO on Tue Jul 14 2020 09:27 pm

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
    movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
    amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Can't believe I agree with mro here.

    These days, I usually like to look at more than just the main republican and democratic candidates. Unfortunately, it seems there are only a couple others running for president, and I'm not sure about any of them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ennev@MTLGEEK to The Lizard Master on Wed Jul 15 16:32:17 2020
    or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.

    Wow, that was a long campaign

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  • From Ennev@MTLGEEK to The Lizard Master on Wed Jul 15 16:59:45 2020
    or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.

    Wow, that was a long campaign


    Oh, just seing that on tmz :


    Kanye West has taken his first official step on his road to The White House -- he's filed with the Federal Election Commission ... seeking the office of President.

    Kanye filed the first form required by the FEC Wednesday -- Form 1, Statement of Organization -- declaring that the Kanye 2020 committee will serve as the "Principal Campaign Committee" with West as its candidate. The party is listed as BDY ... which Ye's said stands for the Birthday Party.

    https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/15/kanye-west-still-running-for-president-2020-file s-fec/

    but that's tmz

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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Nightfox on Thu Jul 16 09:39:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: calcmandan to MRO on Tue Jul 14 2020 09:27 pm

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
    movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
    amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Can't believe I agree with mro here.

    These days, I usually like to look at more than just the main
    republican and democratic candidates. Unfortunately, it seems there
    are only a couple others running for president, and I'm not sure about
    any of them.

    How are things in your neck of the woods? Those kids are crazy in portland.

    I've marked PL with a big black mark on my navigation map. Blacklisted. Won't be
    flying in anytime soon.

    Though I do want to check out Bend. They have the last Blockbuster standing.

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  • From The Lizard Master@NITEEYES to Ennev on Thu Jul 16 23:00:28 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Ennev to The Lizard Master on Wed Jul 15 2020 04:32 pm

    or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.

    Wow, that was a long campaign

    Sounds like he's back in now, it's a fluid situation.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to calcmandan on Thu Jul 16 22:15:55 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Thu Jul 16 2020 09:39 am

    How are things in your neck of the woods? Those kids are crazy in portland.

    Crazy for sure.

    I've marked PL with a big black mark on my navigation map. Blacklisted. Won't be
    flying in anytime soon.

    What is PL? Portland? I've never heard Portland referred to as such. PDX, Stumptown, P-Town, Portlandia, etc., yes.. :P

    Though I do want to check out Bend. They have the last Blockbuster standing.

    I lived in Bend for about a year in 2008 when I had a job there. I moved back to the Portland area after I was laid off. I thought Bend was a nice area. It doesn't get much rain though, so much of the area tends to be brown and grey..

    Nightfox

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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Nightfox on Fri Jul 17 07:39:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    What is PL? Portland? I've never heard Portland referred to as such. PDX, Stumptown, P-Town, Portlandia, etc., yes.. :P

    I type PL = Portland for no other reason than I can think beyond lazy and a bit of disdain.

    I lived in Bend for about a year in 2008 when I had a job there. I
    moved back to the Portland area after I was laid off. I thought Bend
    was a nice area. It doesn't get much rain though, so much of the area tends to be brown and grey..

    We're going because we're inspired that a blockbuster still operates there. And, I hear it's a nice town to visit. From google maps, it appears to have a charming air to it with the bridges and paths..

    I have a coworker who swears that it is her favorite vacation spot. I was shocked when she told me.

    Good day trip.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to calcmandan on Fri Jul 17 14:08:05 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Fri Jul 17 2020 07:39 am

    What is PL? Portland? I've never heard Portland referred to as
    such. PDX, Stumptown, P-Town, Portlandia, etc., yes.. :P

    I type PL = Portland for no other reason than I can think beyond lazy and a bit of disdain.

    What does laziness have to do with it? PL is actaully fewer characters than PDX and the others, so if if you're referring to lazy typing, PL would actually be the fastest to type compared to the other names I mentioned..

    Portland has its negative points right now, but so do most places. Overall I still like the area. I try to focus on the positive most of the time.

    Nightfox

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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Nightfox on Sat Jul 18 08:59:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    What does laziness have to do with it? PL is actaully fewer characters than PDX and the others, so if if you're referring to lazy typing, PL would actually be the fastest to type compared to the other names I mentioned..

    I was talking about my own laziness.

    Portland has its negative points right now, but so do most places.
    Overall I still like the area. I try to focus on the positive most of
    the time.

    Couldn't agree more.

    Stay safe brother.

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  • From Denn@OUTWEST to MRO on Mon Jul 20 01:18:50 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: MRO to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 14 2020 03:29 am

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
    movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
    I don't trust these liberals now.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@OTHETA to CALCMANDAN on Mon Jul 20 12:41:00 2020
    CALCMANDAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

    Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
    Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...

    Too bad it comes to that these days. I'm too young to have had a real choice, in
    the matter, for President. Living in California at the age of

    Yeah - it is a shame, but when you're voting 'issues' - pro life and
    pro 2nd amendment are the issues for me...

    forty-six, my voice doesn't exist nor does my choice. This state has descended into a real cesspool now. The only thing keeping me here is
    my family. If my mother finally decides to pick up and move to a nice conservative state (there are many choices
    available), then the spouse and I will be selling and moving. Next
    month we'll be exploring Nevada. It's desert but, we'll survive if it's near the Sierra. And
    a flight in my plane is about twenty-five minutes to where I live now.
    So even if I have to come into the office it won't be a major hassle.

    I've been reading up on some of the Cali gun laws - WOW! I live in Tennessee and I guess I've been taking my freedom for granted...

    Biden repeats what he's told to say. It's almost as if he's a puppet
    for the kids ruining his party. If he doesn't end up in jail, he'll eventually just sound like AOC. He'd lose anyway, but being a loud
    speaker for AOC will only solidify his loss. It's going to be a good November.

    Exactly! He's so anti-gun that I'm hoping a lot of first time gun buyers (because of COVID) will see that and react...




    Trump 2020

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@OTHETA to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 20 12:43:00 2020
    NIGHTFOX wrote to CALCMANDAN <=-

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
    movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
    amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Can't believe I agree with mro here.

    These days, I usually like to look at more than just the main
    republican and democratic candidates. Unfortunately, it seems there
    are only a couple others running for president, and I'm not sure about
    any of them.

    I voted 3rd party last time, but I'm too concerned about Biden to NOT vote
    for Trump...




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@OTHETA to ENNEV on Mon Jul 20 12:43:00 2020
    ENNEV wrote to THE LIZARD MASTER <=-

    @VIA: MTLGEEK
    @MSGID: <5F0F67D1.8474.dove-debate@mtlgeek.synchro.net>
    @REPLY: <5F0F5725.1168.dove-debate@bbs.lizardmaster.com>
    or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.

    Wow, that was a long campaign

    Imma let you get back to the election, but first I gotta say...

    :-)




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@OTHETA to DENN on Mon Jul 20 12:47:00 2020
    DENN wrote to <=-


    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
    I don't trust these liberals now.

    I never trusted the 'far left' - but they are a bit more blatent about
    it now...




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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Denn on Mon Jul 20 21:32:05 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Denn to MRO on Mon Jul 20 2020 01:18 am

    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: MRO to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 14 2020 03:29 am

    I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
    movement...

    thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
    amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.

    Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
    I don't trust these liberals now.

    yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some people might vote for their other family members.
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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Jul 20 20:56:37 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: MRO to Denn on Mon Jul 20 2020 09:32 pm

    yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some people might vote for their other family members.

    Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@OUTWEST to Nightfox on Mon Jul 20 23:29:42 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 20 2020 08:56 pm


    Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..

    We do vote by mail here as well but you have to be registered to get a ballot. Then I take my ballot to a city building and drop it in a caged box.

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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to Denn on Tue Jul 21 09:19:00 2020
    Denn wrote to MRO <=-

    Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
    I don't trust these liberals now.

    I have't trusted the Lefties for a long time now. Ever since I realized that: 1. They were no longer classical liberals
    2. They don't believe that telling a lie is wrong.


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  • From The Lizard Master@NITEEYES to Nightfox on Tue Jul 21 09:37:07 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 20 2020 08:56 pm

    yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some people might vote for their other family members.

    Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..

    I believe both Trump and Pence have voted by mail too. It's pretty common, just in a pandemic they want to make sure everyone has access.

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  • From Ennev@MTLGEEK to The Lizard Master on Tue Jul 21 12:51:28 2020
    I believe both Trump and Pence have voted by mail too. It's pretty common, just in a pandemic they want to make sure everyone has access.

    Mail Fraud ? Because we trust theses electronic vote booth ?

    I remember at DEVCON last summer how quickly they hacked theses gadgets

    https://www.inverse.com/article/48038-here-s-how-a-voting-machine-used-in-18-states-can-be-hacked-in-two-minutes

    Should be paper vote where you have a trace and witnesses from all the
    major parties.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 21 16:21:00 2020
    I voted 3rd party last time, but I'm too concerned about Biden to NOT vote for Trump...

    I have voted 3rd party previously, too, but I was too concerned about
    Hilary to do that this last time.


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Tue Jul 21 16:28:00 2020
    Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
    I don't trust these liberals now.

    I have't trusted the Lefties for a long time now. Ever since I realized that:
    1. They were no longer classical liberals
    2. They don't believe that telling a lie is wrong.
    .... unless you are not a Lefty, then it is dead wrong.


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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Jul 21 17:42:39 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 20 2020 08:56 pm

    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: MRO to Denn on Mon Jul 20 2020 09:32 pm

    yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast
    and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look
    you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some
    people might vote for their other family members.

    Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..

    yeah they are pushing. they are saying vote by mail over and over again.
    it's so they can vote for other people. people dont want to show up in person but they will do it by mail.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Tue Jul 21 17:43:46 2020
    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: The Lizard Master to Nightfox on Tue Jul 21 2020 09:37 am

    Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 20 2020 08:56 pm

    yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's
    fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they
    look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by
    mail some people might vote for their other family members.

    Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for
    years..

    I believe both Trump and Pence have voted by mail too. It's pretty common, just in a pandemic they want to make sure everyone has access.


    i didnt say it's a new thing. i didnt say people dont do it.

    i'm just saying democrats are pushing people to vote by mail so they can commit fraud.
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