• Demonstrations?

    From HusTler@HAVENS to All on Sun May 31 20:36:37 2020
    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

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  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to HusTler on Mon Jun 1 08:37:00 2020
    HusTler wrote to All <=-

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

    Nope. This kind of activity just angers people and perpetuates the problems. Turns people bitter. The wheels of justice are already turning and this activity does nothing to change that or speed it up. I'm at a loss as to why the looting is being tolerated as I seem to remember at one time that would get you shot....


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  • From Jazzy J@JAYSCAFE to HusTler on Mon Jun 1 05:22:00 2020
    HusTler wrote to All <=-

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

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    After the Rodney King/LA riots of 25 years ago, there was heightened awareness of police brutality, time passed, and then back to status quo.

    Unless there is a concerted, coherent and directed effort to change laws and policies, all changes will be temporary.

    It is human nature to go back to the previous norm.

    Societal change takes a lot of work. The demonstrations and riots may be the first steps, but real change won't occur until laws are passed, enforced and upheld by the courts.

    I just don't see any of that happening any time soon.

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  • From Arelor to Jazzy J on Mon Jun 1 11:33:57 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Jazzy J to HusTler on Mon Jun 01 2020 05:22 am

    Societal change takes a lot of work. The demonstrations and riots may be the first steps, but real change won't occur until laws are passed, enforced and upheld by the courts.

    I rather imagine a big chunk of American society will end up demanding more power for the police, because rioters should be stopped by any means necessary.
  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to Arelor on Mon Jun 1 13:28:40 2020
    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and loot is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Jazzy J on Mon Jun 1 17:21:48 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Jazzy J to HusTler on Mon Jun 01 2020 05:22 am

    HusTler wrote to All <=-

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

    HusTler
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    After the Rodney King/LA riots of 25 years ago, there was heightened awarene of police brutality, time passed, and then back to status quo.


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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Thumper on Mon Jun 1 17:22:20 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Thumper to Arelor on Mon Jun 01 2020 01:28 pm

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.



    over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores.
    that makes no sense.
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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to HUSTLER on Mon Jun 1 19:45:00 2020
    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

    If anything I expect them to make us more divided than we already are.
    Here, the peaceful protests (over a different situation than other places)
    were soon (first night) infiltrated by professional "protestors" who
    proceded to start destroying the downtown area of our state's largest city.

    All signs point to antifa being involved. Antifa says they are
    "anti-fascist" but they are actually anarchists who do not care at all
    about the local people or what is actually being protested. They only want
    to cause fear, unrest, confusion, violence, and to divide us.

    There are locals who are trying to make the local situation out to be about race just like the George Floyd incident, but it is not so cut and
    dried here if the local news has been reporting everything. The cops were serving a "no-knock" warrant for a suspect (who may have already been in custody) and they went to the wrong house. It was late at night, and the people in the house were in bed. One of them, thinking they were being
    robbed, fired a shot. Another person in the house was shot multiple times
    by the police and did not survive. It is a horrible situation, and it does sound like a criminal level of negligence was involved, but it does not
    sound like it was racially motivated as they were at the wrong house and
    may not have seen who they were shooting at.

    Sounds like it could have happened to anyone.

    People are angry because the cops have not been arrested. As it is not as cut-and-dried as the dumbass cop in Minnesota, or the dumbass vigilantes in Georgia, no one has been arrested or charged yet. Considering how tangled
    the situation seems to be, I am not surprised but a lot of people are.

    The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night,
    for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her
    memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.


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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Mon Jun 1 18:45:06 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to All on Sun May 31 2020 08:36 pm

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

    HusTler

    This is a really loaded question, with many different avenues of discussion.

    I will tell you my take on whats happening in Portland, Oregon tho...

    So I went to the George Floyd *protest* on Saturday... and there was an antifa vibe in the air. You could just feel it... I think they really sway a lot of law-abiding protesters to their cause/or way, just by controlling the feelings in the air.

    But anyway, I was there protesting... and there was like 50% + of normal, law abiding citizens there... we left, which thank God... got in the truck and made one last drive thru the main area...

    The police said 'this is now an illegeal demonstration DISPURSE the area'... and literally *three* seconds later shot off gas and rubber bullets... and RAN towards the crowd. Literally where I was standing 10 minutes prior.

    I don't want to seem like I think looting and rioting is OK, because I don't. Its bullshit... but the Portland police really put legal people and children in harms way on Saturday.... it was fucking bullshit

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  • From Arelor to Dumas Walker on Tue Jun 2 02:42:36 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Mon Jun 01 2020 07:45 pm

    The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night, for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her
    memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.

    I suspect it is due to the fact that protests and riots are not really about the incident, but about making political noise using any excuse they can find. Which sucks hard because the core cause gets automatically discredited.
  • From HusTler@HAVENS to MRO on Tue Jun 2 08:21:20 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to Thumper on Mon Jun 01 2020 05:22 pm

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot
    and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
    way.

    over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores.
    that makes no sense.
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    The President said he'll send in the military if States can't handle the crowds. This reminds me of the 60's and 70's. A few bad cops does not define our police force.

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  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to MRO on Tue Jun 2 08:31:00 2020
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    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Thumper to Arelor on Mon Jun 01 2020 01:28 pm

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.



    over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores. that makes no sense.

    Exactly what is going on around here. Big stores also but a lot of small Mom & Pop places that were already having issues from the lockdown. I just don't get it.....


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  • From Gamgee@PALANT to paulie420 on Tue Jun 2 08:03:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to HusTler <=-

    I will tell you my take on whats happening in Portland, Oregon
    tho...

    So I went to the George Floyd *protest* on Saturday... and there
    was an antifa vibe in the air. You could just feel it... I think
    they really sway a lot of law-abiding protesters to their
    cause/or way, just by controlling the feelings in the air.

    But anyway, I was there protesting... and there was like 50% + of
    normal, law abiding citizens there... we left, which thank God...
    got in the truck and made one last drive thru the main area...

    The police said 'this is now an illegeal demonstration DISPURSE
    the area'... and literally *three* seconds later shot off gas and
    rubber bullets... and RAN towards the crowd. Literally where I
    was standing 10 minutes prior.

    I don't want to seem like I think looting and rioting is OK,
    because I don't. Its bullshit... but the Portland police really
    put legal people and children in harms way on Saturday.... it was
    fucking bullshit

    The *police* put people in harms way? Really?

    So, you don't think the people who attend a "protest" *KNOWING*
    it's closely tied to Antifa (which is what you said right there
    above).... put *THEMSELVES* in harms way?

    Gimme a break. You got the bullshit part right. If you *CHOOSE*
    to attend such a function, you get what you get.


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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Dumas Walker on Tue Jun 2 09:01:39 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Mon Jun 01 2020 07:45 pm

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or
    Why not?

    If anything I expect them to make us more divided than we already are.

    We ARE devided and no laws are going to change that. I personaly do not like the black race. If that makes me a "racist" I can live with that. No law is going to make me like black people. Did the cops abuse their authority? Of course they did but why? If they felt threatend they have the right to do whatever is necessary to protect themselves. Being arreseted is not supposed to be a pleasant experience. Resisting arrest is asking for trouble and if you resist you deserve whatever happens. That said no laws are going to change racism. Behaving like animals and disrepecting other peoples personal property will in no way change my opinion of blacks. A few bad cops did a bad thing. Now the blacks want to make it a race thing.

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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to HusTler on Tue Jun 2 10:37:00 2020
    HusTler wrote to All <=-

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

    So, keep in mind that the demonstrations and riots were 2 separate things. The rioters basically used the demonostrators as shields and cover.

    As far as the demonstrations go: No. Everyone already believed the officer was in the wrong and we needed to get to the bottom of that. There was nothing to "protest". This was mainly groups like BLM to get their name out there.

    Unfortunately, the rioters used the BLM-like groups as cover to do their work and tarnished the names of those groups.

    So, I guess some things did change. BLM (and the like) has no sympathy from anyone anymore. As Scott Adams put it, "The brands are trash now." (But I think he used stronger language there.)

    Back in the 60's, there were riots in many cities. The businesses left and those districts never recovered. Now they are hurt even more. The cities are done. Don't expect many to rebuild, and the ones that try will be out of business in a year or so - simply because most people won't want to go to the cities.

    We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for the forseeable future.


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Tue Jun 2 11:24:00 2020
    The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night, for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I
    guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.

    I suspect it is due to the fact that protests and riots are not really about the incident, but about making political noise using any excuse they can find.
    Which sucks hard because the core cause gets automatically discredited.

    Agreed 100%


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  • From Brokenmind@TIABBS to HusTler on Tue Jun 2 12:39:28 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to MRO on Tue Jun 02 2020 08:21 am

    The President said he'll send in the military if States can't handle the crowds. This reminds me of the 60's and 70's. A few bad cops does not define our police force.

    HusTler

    I totally agree with the saying a few cops does not define our police force. I know a lot of law enforcement officers personally and professionally. I have been in the emergency services for 11 years. I do agree there are officers out there that should never have been given a badge and it breaks my heart that the actions of a few make every other officer look bad. it's the same thing with me being a firefighter. when another brother or sister firefighter does something bad it reflect on all of us also.

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  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to Dr. What on Tue Jun 2 14:57:17 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dr. What to HusTler on Tue Jun 02 2020 10:37 am

    HusTler wrote to All <=-

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why
    or Why not?

    So, keep in mind that the demonstrations and riots were 2 separate things. The rioters basically used the demonostrators as shields and cover.

    As far as the demonstrations go: No. Everyone already believed the officer was in the wrong and we needed to get to the bottom of that. There was nothing to "protest". This was mainly groups like BLM to get their name out there.

    Unfortunately, the rioters used the BLM-like groups as cover to do their work and tarnished the names of those groups.

    So, I guess some things did change. BLM (and the like) has no sympathy from anyone anymore. As Scott Adams put it, "The brands are trash now." (But I think he used stronger language there.)

    Back in the 60's, there were riots in many cities. The businesses left and those districts never recovered. Now they are hurt even more. The cities are done. Don't expect many to rebuild, and the ones that try will be out of business in a year or so - simply because most people won't want to go to the cities.

    We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for the forseeable future.

    I live up in the Motherlode with very small towns. It was just announced they are planning a protest tomorrow in Sonora. Hope all remains calm. There have been rumors of people "bussing" in but no idea if true or not.....
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Tue Jun 2 14:38:25 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Tue Jun 02 2020 08:03 am

    The *police* put people in harms way? Really?
    So, you don't think the people who attend a "protest" *KNOWING*
    it's closely tied to Antifa (which is what you said right there above).... put *THEMSELVES* in harms way?

    Gimme a break. You got the bullshit part right. If you *CHOOSE*
    to attend such a function, you get what you get.


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    Oh, thats weak...

    Its been coronavirus for 3 months...
    There was horrible police misconduct and MURDER - that I viewed with my own eyes... (BTW, watch the video if you havent... George Floyd was MURDERED.. I'm not a lefty, and that was hard to watch.)
    There were protests, during daylight hours... and a law-abiding citizen wanted to go and protest this police violence.

    What in the hell did I do wrong? Am I not free to protest in the country? Maybe the police should protect ME from *whatever* (Antifa) threats there are out there... and protect my right to free speech....

    Oh yea, while they learn that they aren't supposed to kill American citizens.

    I think your tone and suggestions of giving up constitutionally protected acts in weak-sauce....

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to All on Tue Jun 2 14:40:58 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Gamgee on Tue Jun 02 2020 02:38 pm

    And today, thank God, after the rioters and looters were shut down last night looks great!

    What I'm seeing today, Tuesday 6/2, is great protests by the American people. THIS is what America is - and I do hope their voices are heard... the police in America have overstepped their bounds; Americans don't deserve to die because they made a mistake.

    I hope George Floyd's name brings awareness to this issue - because the LEOs are running rampant, IMO.

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  • From Dennisk@DUNGEON to Thumper on Tue Jun 2 20:40:00 2020
    Thumper wrote to Arelor <=-

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot
    and loot is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the
    harshest way.

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    From what I see, and from "leftists" I know, they just want to bring it down. The first motive is antagonism and hate. There is no desire for good relations with others.

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  • From Dennisk@DUNGEON to MRO on Tue Jun 2 20:42:00 2020
    MRO wrote to Thumper <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Thumper to Arelor on Mon Jun 01 2020 01:28 pm

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.



    over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores. that makes no sense.
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    Just looks like the actions of barbarians to me. America is a rotting corpse, and the buzzards are squabbling over who gets to eat the remains.

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  • From Gamgee@PALANT to paulie420 on Tue Jun 2 21:40:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    The *police* put people in harms way? Really?
    So, you don't think the people who attend a "protest" *KNOWING*
    it's closely tied to Antifa (which is what you said right there
    above).... put *THEMSELVES* in harms way?

    Gimme a break. You got the bullshit part right. If you *CHOOSE*
    to attend such a function, you get what you get.

    There was horrible police misconduct and MURDER - that I viewed
    with my own eyes... (BTW, watch the video if you havent... George
    Floyd was MURDERED..

    I'm not denying or arguing any of that. I agree.

    I'm not a lefty, and that was hard to
    watch.) There were protests, during daylight hours... and a
    law-abiding citizen wanted to go and protest this police
    violence.

    Yep, nothing wrong with that.

    What in the hell did I do wrong? Am I not free to protest in the
    country? Maybe the police should protect ME from *whatever*
    (Antifa) threats there are out there... and protect my right to
    free speech....

    What you might have done wrong was to not LEAVE immediately when
    you realized it was an Antifa-organized "protest". You said you
    felt that "vibe" while you were there (your own words). Did you
    not realize it would likely escalate and the police would have to
    get involved?

    Oh yea, while they learn that they aren't supposed to kill
    American citizens.

    Well... until those American citizens start to try to kill them,
    yeah. I'm not saying George Floyd did that, but referring to the
    agitators at these "protests" that are just thinly disguised
    excuses for gathering up the looters and rioters. They (the
    actual assholes burning shit and looting stores) are not
    "protesting" anything. They are simply there to raise hell and
    destroy stuff. That's all. If you don't realize that, you need
    to open your eyes.

    I think your tone and suggestions of giving up constitutionally
    protected acts in weak-sauce....

    Sorry, I can't decipher that "sentence".

    Again, I'm not arguing that police have and do cross the line too
    often when it comes to excessive force. No doubt. But bullshit
    like what's on the TV for a week is NOT the way that's going to
    get changed. Even the family of George Floyd has said that this
    is dishonoring his memory. It's nothing more than assholes taking
    advantage of a situation to act like the thugs that they are.



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  • From Arelor to paulie420 on Wed Jun 3 03:55:04 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Gamgee on Tue Jun 02 2020 02:38 pm

    Its been coronavirus for 3 months...
    There was horrible police misconduct and MURDER - that I viewed with my own eyes... (BTW, watch the video if you havent... George Floyd was MURDERED.. I not a lefty, and that was hard to watch.)
    There were protests, during daylight hours... and a law-abiding citizen want to go and protest this police violence.

    What in the hell did I do wrong? Am I not free to protest in the country? Ma the police should protect ME from *whatever* (Antifa) threats there are out there... and protect my right to free speech....

    Oh yea, while they learn that they aren't supposed to kill American citizens

    I think your tone and suggestions of giving up constitutionally protected ac in weak-sauce....

    Protests are a weird thing.

    I knew a guy who used to be a lawyer for protest organizers and he made it sound like the hard ones always ended up the same. As soon as the authorities determine it is necessary to dissipate a riot, you can be sure they will marh on and leave nobody standing behind them for a number of reasons. The first one is that they cannot determine who is a peaceful protester and who is a freaking terrorizer until the latter starts attacking people. The second is that if you leave a peaceful granny alone and march on, leaving her behind you, she may pull a needle and stick it in your kidney. Once it is deemed necessary to bring anti-riot forces forth, expect no mercy, because mercy is dangerous for them and they are trained to know it.

    A big problem is protests end up being controlled by political groups more often than not. Which is why you often see protest in Spain for socialized healthcare where fascist protestors are kicked out by leftist protestors. They are in the same protest, protesting for the same thing and for the same reasons, but the fascists are not welcome by the organizers and hence are kicked out.

    So while I agree it sucks, I think it is unwise to join a protest unless you have a high affinity with the organizer. They are often more a display of power for the organizer than an actual protest for the rights of the people, sadly. He who joins a protest organized by a chaos loving organization is reinforcing this organization more than the rights he is protesting for.
  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Arelor on Wed Jun 3 00:46:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Mon Jun 01 2020 07:45 pm

    The family of the young woman who was killed asked, after the first night, for the protestors to please stop because they were not honoring her
    memory or helping matters at all. I think they are into day 4 or 5 now. I guess the listening skills of the protestors/rioters are poor.

    I suspect it is due to the fact that protests and riots are not really about the incident, but about making political noise using any excuse
    they can find. Which sucks hard because the core cause gets
    automatically discredited.

    At the very least, police reform needs to happen. Watching someone being murdered in cold blood by a cop in a nonchalant manner while cops were standing around is a memory I'll strain to wipe. It really had an effect on me; seeing someone being murdered casually on a street in obvious distress. No one felt the need to tackle the guy because there were other cops standing there and they no longer engage in hand-to-hand combat; They're trained to unload their mags. The days of 'don't tase me bro' have been over since Obama.

    The following autopsy report said the dude died of other things. Corruption clearly runs deep in Minnesota, especially when they'll do it in the light of day with cameras rolling.

    Reform needs to be a number one priority in every metro area and especially with those effected by the riots. I have a strong suspicion that that hotspots are the worst places regarding corruption. And this includes the rioters. Friends of mine who are involved in the government tell me that it is well organized. I trust him before a government goon says it on tv. he showed me convincing videos of this organization and it's disturbing.

    On a personal note, I'm quite emotional over this. I hate what people are trying to do to this country. I hope hollywood institutes a true blacklist for those who cheer bloodshed and civil war. They need to rot in prison for inciting violence and racial decay while living in their palatial estates.

    Just a few weeks ago they challenged Americans to stop being consumers, now they're cheering war. Fkcu them all.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to THUMPER on Wed Jun 3 15:11:00 2020
    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and loot
    is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.

    Agreed, but there will be a whole lot of folks who say that the rights of
    the criminals are being violated if the laws against such actions are
    actually enforced. People have lost their damn minds.


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to HUSTLER on Wed Jun 3 15:38:00 2020
    hatever happens. That said no laws are going to change racism. Behaving like a
    imals and disrepecting other peoples personal property will in no way change my
    opinion of blacks. A few bad cops did a bad thing. Now the blacks want to make >t a race thing.

    Well, from the video I have seen, it is not just blacks that are destroying property. Lawlessness at these riots seems to be color blind. From what I
    can tell, so is Antifa.


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Wed Jun 3 15:51:00 2020
    We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for >the forseeable future.

    Are they having trouble there also? I had not heard.


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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to Dumas Walker on Thu Jun 4 08:18:00 2020
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happening for
    the forseeable future.

    Are they having trouble there also? I had not heard.

    Ya, I didn't even hear until late the day after. That kind of stuff doesn't happen very much around here. But I know that Grand Rapids was getting more left (they wanted to become a Sanctuary City, for example) but I didn't think it was like that.

    After the riots, they found that 80% of the people caught were not from the area. That smells of organization and resources to bus people from other areas.

    Note that "not from the area" is > 100 miles away. So these weren't all locals that were "mad".

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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to Dennisk on Thu Jun 4 08:25:00 2020
    Dennisk wrote to Thumper <=-

    From what I see, and from "leftists" I know, they just want to bring it down. The first motive is antagonism and hate. There is no desire for good relations with others.

    They don't know how to have good relations.

    Lefties only know how to destroy. That's why they are so enraged at anyone who actually creates something: because they know that doing something similar is far beyond them and they are jealous of that.

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Dumas Walker on Thu Jun 4 09:01:29 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Wed Jun 03 2020 03:38 pm

    Well, from the video I have seen, it is not just blacks that are destroying property. Lawlessness at these riots seems to be color blind. From what I can tell, so is Antifa.

    All 4 cops invlolved are now in jail. What more do these people want? Are you trying to make me like blacks? Are you trying to tell me you're normal human beings? That's never going to happen. Most blacks (Not All) are arragont stupid people and do not know how to behave. They pride themsleves on it and the blacks that do behave go along with it. I'm scared shit of all of them because I know what they are capable of. They are generaly hostile, overly aggressive people looking to settle an old score that I had nothing to do with. These behaviors has only set them back in my book. If I was even considering changing my mind any chance of that went out the window.

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  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to Dumas Walker on Thu Jun 4 08:55:00 2020
    Dumas Walker wrote to THUMPER <=-

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and loot

    is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.

    Agreed, but there will be a whole lot of folks who say that the rights
    of the criminals are being violated if the laws against such actions
    are actually enforced. People have lost their damn minds.


    I guess they tried to move out into our area, the foothills, and were shut down pretty fast. I did here some windows got broke and the city council held an emergency meeting to impose a curfew. Still waiting on updates.



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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Dr. What on Thu Jun 4 18:50:00 2020
    Dr. What wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Lefties only know how to destroy. That's why they are so enraged at anyone who actually creates something: because they know that doing something similar is far beyond them and they are jealous of that.

    I don't agree. They view capitalism as inherently evil because they see it as an injustice that some people have wealth while others don't. Regardless of how someone contributes to society, they feel everyone should possess even wealth regardless of their output. So they're destroying everything with the goal of destabilizing the country and force change on an elementary level. There are two movements that I've noticed based on interviews with rioters on the street. One is a desire to make us a communist cesspoll and the other is to remove law and order altogether and make the US into an anarchist mecca. This is all being orchestrated by far-left organizations who've been preparing for such an event.

    Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates of bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this planning. And there have been leaked documents from one such organization that describes their operation. They formed these groups by modelling them after government agencies so granularly that they've classified their internal documents to mimic the government. They even have a uniform and an internal signalling system. They document a financial breakdown of how they pay off the police and designate safe areas of operation without the risk of arrest. This is how they can easily manipulate the crowds during civil unrest and why police are effectively out of the loop due to the corruption.

    I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests in Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are most corrupt.

    This all reminds me of 'Project Mayhem' from the movie Fight Club.

    I'm going through some depression over this and I can't get over the fact that I saw someone being murdered on the street by cops in a nonchalant and relatively casual way. Citizens surrounded the cops and no one did anything to stop it.

    I'm so sad.

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  • From Arelor to calcmandan on Thu Jun 4 13:51:36 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: calcmandan to Dr. What on Thu Jun 04 2020 06:50 pm

    Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates of bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this plannin

    I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.
  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Thu Jun 4 15:16:00 2020
    After the riots, they found that 80% of the people caught were not from the area. That smells of organization and resources to bus people from other areas.

    Allegedly, that is also how it was in Louisville, KY. Started out as
    locals who "only" vandalized government property, but then escalated when "strangers in black clothing" showed up and started smashing everything.


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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Arelor on Fri Jun 5 00:59:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: calcmandan to Dr. What on Thu Jun 04 2020 06:50 pm

    Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates of bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this plannin

    I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least
    the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.

    I hope so. But the bricks?

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Thu Jun 4 21:48:30 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Tue Jun 02 2020 09:40 pm

    Again, I'm not arguing that police have and do cross the line too
    often when it comes to excessive force. No doubt. But bullshit
    like what's on the TV for a week is NOT the way that's going to
    get changed. Even the family of George Floyd has said that this
    is dishonoring his memory. It's nothing more than assholes taking advantage of a situation to act like the thugs that they are.

    I think we agree on most points... I certainly agree with you that the looting and rioting is BS and deserves police intervention. Certainly...

    The one point I don't know that you got was that... in the instance where I attended, the police didn't give any forewarning for the individuals who WEREN'T bringing the BS... and also, I did leave for 10 minutes - maybe something happened during those 10 minutes, that I didn't see... as I DID leave when the air got too thick for me...

    At any rate, I agree that what happened early this week was BS and police are right to shut it down.

    And; if its a moment where there are legal protesters there, they should give warning prior to rushing the crowd... thats all. :P

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  • From Dennisk@MINDSEYE to Dr. What on Fri Jun 5 19:27:00 2020
    Dr. What wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Dennisk wrote to Thumper <=-

    From what I see, and from "leftists" I know, they just want to bring it down. The first motive is antagonism and hate. There is no desire for good relations with others.

    They don't know how to have good relations.

    Lefties only know how to destroy. That's why they are so enraged at anyone who actually creates something: because they know that doing something similar is far beyond them and they are jealous of that.

    I disagree. The company I work for is "woke", though not to the extent that many others are (thank God!). Many companies, especially those trying to take on that Silicon Valley culture, are left leaning. But these are multimillion dollar companies, with people who are managers and directors pushing these agends. People who are making money, making sales, earning income. Professionals who have gotten into HR, who are now pushing sexual and racial discrimination in the name of 'diversity'.

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  • From Arelor to calcmandan on Fri Jun 5 03:41:05 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: calcmandan to Arelor on Fri Jun 05 2020 12:59 am

    I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.

    I hope so. But the bricks?

    Daniel Traechin

    Sorry, I cannot say about the bricks.

    This reminds me, I think Spanish CNT had rifles stashed just in case the right won the elections at some point of the Second Spanish Republic. What happened is the left won the election and the right built an uprising instead. Crazy.
  • From Gamgee@PALANT to paulie420 on Fri Jun 5 07:47:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Again, I'm not arguing that police have and do cross the line too
    often when it comes to excessive force. No doubt. But bullshit
    like what's on the TV for a week is NOT the way that's going to
    get changed. Even the family of George Floyd has said that this
    is dishonoring his memory. It's nothing more than assholes taking advantage of a situation to act like the thugs that they are.

    I think we agree on most points... I certainly agree with you
    that the looting and rioting is BS and deserves police
    intervention. Certainly...

    The one point I don't know that you got was that... in the
    instance where I attended, the police didn't give any forewarning
    for the individuals who WEREN'T bringing the BS... and also, I
    did leave for 10 minutes - maybe something happened during those
    10 minutes, that I didn't see... as I DID leave when the air got
    too thick for me...

    At any rate, I agree that what happened early this week was BS
    and police are right to shut it down.

    And; if its a moment where there are legal protesters there, they
    should give warning prior to rushing the crowd... thats all. :P

    I agree that legal, *PEACEFUL* protesters should not be subjected
    to aggressive police action like tear gas, beatings, etc.
    But..... when they're all mixed up in a crowd with the assholes
    who *DO* need to be shut down, what exactly are the cops supposed
    to do? It's not always easy to tell the difference between
    "protester" and "terrorist". Especially when it's dark, and
    people are agitated and running/moving around a lot. Again - what
    can the police do - ask them politely something like: "OK would
    all the protesters move over here, and all the agitators move over
    there, so that we know who to take action against"?

    Obviously, they can't do that. So they do what they can and disperse/move/arrest anybody in the way. At that point if you
    really are a peaceful protester, you should have already vacated
    the area, knowing what's coming. Not doing that is on you.

    It's always important to differentiate between Idealism (that
    protesters are different than terrorists) and Reality (that it's
    impossible to tell the difference in the real world situation).


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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to calcmandan on Fri Jun 5 13:22:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: calcmandan to Arelor on Fri Jun 05 2020 12:59 am

    Arelor wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: calcmandan to Dr. What on Thu Jun 04 2020 06:50 pm

    Crates of pipe bombs found at the Korean War Memorial in DC and palates o bricks on the street corners in Minneapolis are two examples of this plan

    I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.

    I hope so. But the bricks?

    Daniel Traechin

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    Bricks are popping up in other cities where there is no constrcution going
    on. Buyers are using pre-paid cards so they can't be traced back to a bank account.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to CALCMANDAN on Fri Jun 5 13:09:00 2020
    I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests in >Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so
    many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are
    most corrupt.

    Or where the politicians are most corrupt.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to CALCMANDAN on Fri Jun 5 13:12:00 2020
    I think the pipe bomb is widely considered a hoax right now. At least the security forces responsible of the place report they know nothing about it, as far as I know.

    I hope so. But the bricks?

    That has been reported to have happened in multiple cities, and there have
    been photos of as much. I cannot speak to the authenticity of the photos
    since it seems like so much of our news is fake any more, but I would also
    not dismiss it as also a hoax too quickly. I think it is in the realm of
    the believable.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Fri Jun 5 13:18:00 2020
    And; if its a moment where there are legal protesters there, they should give w
    rning prior to rushing the crowd... thats all. :P

    I feel a little different about that. It gives the organized folks time to
    get out of the way also. My thinking is that, like you, if I am a legal protester and start noticing that other protesters are doing things that I
    am uncomfortable with, that it is up to me to leave the area before they
    draw the attention of the authorities. If I hang around, then whatever
    happens to me next is on me.

    I came to this conclusion after reading some accounts of the first night or
    two of protests in Louisville, KY. More than one read something like "we
    were being peaceful and only vandalizing government stuff. Then these
    people with pro-grade gas masks and dressed in black showed up. They had hammers and seemed organized. They are the ones that started tearing everything up, and that is when the Police got involved."

    If it were me, those folks showing up would have been my cue to get the
    hell out of the area. Sounded like the folks who wrote the accounts did
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Fri Jun 5 17:11:47 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Fri Jun 05 2020 07:47 am

    I agree that legal, *PEACEFUL* protesters should not be subjected
    to aggressive police action like tear gas, beatings, etc.
    But..... when they're all mixed up in a crowd with the assholes
    who *DO* need to be shut down, what exactly are the cops supposed
    to do? It's not always easy to tell the difference between
    "protester" and "terrorist". Especially when it's dark, and
    people are agitated and running/moving around a lot. Again - what
    can the police do - ask them politely something like: "OK would
    all the protesters move over here, and all the agitators move over
    there, so that we know who to take action against"?

    Obviously, they can't do that. So they do what they can and disperse/move/arrest anybody in the way. At that point if you
    really are a peaceful protester, you should have already vacated
    the area, knowing what's coming. Not doing that is on you.

    It's always important to differentiate between Idealism (that
    protesters are different than terrorists) and Reality (that it's impossible to tell the difference in the real world situation).


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    In my situation, in Portland this last Saturday, it was 6pm... not dark. I think they should have made one loudspeaker announcement and said their giving 15 minutes for legal protesters to move out.

    Would this have caused whatever the dipshits were there for to kick off more quickly? Yes - but it would have also allowed any normal folks the opportunity to walk...

    Also, I am new to Portland and DIDN'T KNOW about their crazy antifa population... I have learned that they are biggest right here; probably why they didn't say or announce anything - but it could create folks to be fucked over by the cops.

    Another thing... I had left for 10 minutes before driving by once more and seeing the cops rush the crowd. So, something more crazy than I saw with my own eyes very well may have occured... I guess I'll chaulk it up to that.

    I had left, and I guess it was the right time to doso. Just saying, that the police had ZERO input and were ZERO help to a legal protester; me. The air was getting too heavy for me and I left; I simply think they should have given warning.. besides me, there were like 50% of normal type folks there. Kids, children and students.... I would bet everything that some of them got caught up in the cops storm. Which I don't agree with...

    All is well - I made it out. No harm no foul.

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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Sat Jun 6 08:01:00 2020
    Dumas Walker wrote to CALCMANDAN <=-

    I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests in
    Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so

    many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are

    most corrupt.

    Or where the politicians are most corrupt.

    Those are untouchable, Especially those who are married to executives of aerospace companies.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Sat Jun 6 11:53:21 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to MRO on Tue Jun 02 2020 08:21 am

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to Thumper on Mon Jun 01 2020 05:22 pm

    Protesting is one thing but to block highways, destroy buildings, riot and l is totally different. It should be dealt with now in the harshest way.
    way.

    over by me these dumb fucks are destroying their own community stores. that makes no sense.
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    The President said he'll send in the military if States can't handle the crowds. This reminds me of the 60's and 70's. A few bad cops does not define our police force.


    a guy at my job has a son who's a cop. this son has been ordered to go out during this and protect businesses. they stand infront of businesses and stop them from being smashed up while purple haired freaks stick their middle fingers in their face and call them names. the police can't do nothing.

    so he noticed that at the end of the day he was stinking like cat piss or something. they squeezed out his shirt and had it tested and it was human feces and urine.

    the people were spraying the police with super soakers filled with piss and god knows what. no human being deserves this.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Sat Jun 6 11:57:22 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Dumas Walker on Tue Jun 02 2020 09:01 am

    We ARE devided and no laws are going to change that. I personaly do not li the black race. If that makes me a "racist" I can live with that. No law is going to make me like black people. Did the cops abuse their authority? Of course they did but why? If they felt threatend they have the right to do whatever is necessary to protect themselves. Being arreseted is not supposed be a pleasant experience. Resisting arrest is asking for trouble and if you resist you deserve whatever happens. That said no laws are going to change racism. Behaving like animals and disrepecting other peoples personal prope will in no way change my opinion of blacks. A few bad cops did a bad thing. the blacks want to make it a race thing.



    it's important to understand how the black race go here. they were hamstrung.

    the black people were strong and they had had a better family structure than they do now. they were a force to be reckoned with.

    then they marched with the women for equal rights and whitey was like "what the fuck is this?!"

    so what happened? welfare, drugs, and the elimination of the father from the family structure.

    now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to handouts and they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business owners are the enemy.

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Thumper on Sat Jun 6 12:00:22 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Thumper to Dr. What on Tue Jun 02 2020 02:57 pm


    We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happeni for the forseeable future.

    I live up in the Motherlode with very small towns. It was just announced the are planning a protest tomorrow in Sonora. Hope all remains calm. There have been rumors of people "bussing" in but no idea if true or not.....
    -=Thumper=-


    over by me a lady heard about a skid of bricks being dropped off for a 'protest'

    she went there with her husband and their truck and sure enough, there they were. parked in a driveway near businesses. it wasnt enough for a construction job or anything else other than being thrown at windows.

    so they loaded them up in the truck and drove off and called the police to tell them.

    free bricks
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  • From Dr. What@DMINE to calcmandan on Sat Jun 6 16:35:00 2020
    calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't agree. They view capitalism as inherently evil because they see
    it as an injustice that some people have wealth while others don't. Regardless of how someone contributes to society, they feel everyone should possess even wealth regardless of their output. So they're destroying everything with the goal of destabilizing the country and
    force change on an elementary level. There are two movements that I've noticed based on interviews with rioters on the street. One is a desire
    to make us a communist cesspoll and the other is to remove law and
    order altogether and make the US into an anarchist mecca. This is all being orchestrated by far-left organizations who've been preparing for such an event.

    This is why I have 3 different groups here.

    1. The power hungry. These people don't really want socialism. But they know that socialism is rule of gov't and that if they run the gov't, they rule - period. That's why the Dems do thing to make sure that Bernie doesn't win. Bernie is a useless (never worked a day in his life) leech, but he is honest about wanting real socialism.

    2. The elites. These people don't really work (and I don't believe can). Think of people who have lived in the ivory towers of education for their whole career. They have tenure. They "work", but they can't get fired. They don't produce anything. Are probably poor teachers. If they had to actually work at a company doing that their major is, they'd proably get fired. But they have envy. They see others with the same degree, working at companies, making 10X what they make at the university.

    3. The lazy and the stupid. They won't, or can't. But they want to live like a millionaire (or maybe M.C. Hammer). Not to mention that there are **a lot** of these people. They buy in to the notion that "capitalism is inherently evil" because they are unwilling or unable to be able to play that game with a degree of success that will make them the money that they **think** they deserve.

    But I don't believe that these are the majority of the people who are doing the rioting. The rioters love mayhem for the sake of mayhem. They include people from groups 2 and 3 as people to hide behind so the rioters don't get caught when they burn down buildings.

    I hope this unrest leads to major police reform. I was all for protests
    in Minneapolis after that brutal murder but I never imagined it would spread to so many major metros. The areas of the worst problems must be where the police are most corrupt.

    But what was there to protest? Nothing. Everyone already agreed that the cop was in the wrong. Everyone agrees that police brutality is wrong.

    No, the "protests" were to push a political agenda. Then the rioters infiltrated those groups and pushed their own agenda. And I have the feeling that there is a shadow group behind both of these groups with their own agenda.

    I'm going through some depression over this and I can't get over the
    fact that I saw someone being murdered on the street by cops in a nonchalant and relatively casual way. Citizens surrounded the cops and
    no one did anything to stop it.

    The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and had a long criminal history.
    (Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)

    Now, that doesn't excuse the cop's actions. But it's looking like the cop did not cause his death.

    IHMO: If I knew someone to have along criminal history (like the cops did) and to be on drugs (like the cops did - but they probably didn't know what), I probably wouldn't have done anything to help.


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  • From Al@TRMB to Dr. What on Sat Jun 6 17:27:59 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dr. What to calcmandan on Sat Jun 06 2020 04:35 pm

    The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and had a long criminal history.
    (Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)

    The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three other officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.

    The looting and rioting is another problem that started after the murder.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Sat Jun 6 20:16:46 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Dr. What on Sat Jun 06 2020 05:27 pm

    The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl had a long criminal history.
    (Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)

    The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more

    right now i dont care if he was murdered. i think it's about 5 years too late. he did a home invasion and held a gun on a pregnant woman's stomach.


    there's a lot more to the story. he was a big guy and he was probably very difficult to arrest.

    from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was trying to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can handle him.
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  • From Ogg@EOTLBBS to All on Sat Jun 6 23:02:00 2020
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 21:16, mro wrote to Al:

    from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was trying
    to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can handle him.

    But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Jun 6 23:45:46 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:02 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 21:16, mro wrote to Al:

    from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was trying
    to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can handle him.

    But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.


    well most police depts ban the choke hold.
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  • From Al@TRMB to MRO on Sun Jun 7 00:39:40 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to Al on Sat Jun 06 2020 08:16 pm

    The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck
    for more

    right now i dont care if he was murdered.

    The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.

    i think it's about 5 years too late. he did a home invasion and held
    a gun on a pregnant woman's stomach.

    I assume that Floyd has paid his debt to society for whatever he did in the past.

    there's a lot more to the story. he was a big guy and he was probably very difficult to arrest.

    He is a big guy. I am just suggesting the police could pull him in for questioning or arrest as the case may be without killing him. Once he has been arrested and charged the court can determine his sentencing.

    Ttyl :-),
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  • From Al@TRMB to Ogg on Sun Jun 7 00:42:25 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:02 pm

    from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was
    trying to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can
    handle him.

    But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.

    Edmonton police recently used a similar thing on a suspect in Edmonton. I'm pretty sure they don't get trained to use such a technique either.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Arelor to Al on Sun Jun 7 02:52:14 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to MRO on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:39 am

    The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.

    My theory is that not, it is not.

    It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to cause political instability for some reason.

    If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarters of the police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countries that have no horse on the track.

    The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, José Luis Rodrídríguez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the USA in an "impossible" position.

    I think the enemies of the federal government are having a lot of fun right now. Riots are breaking america harder than the secession war.
  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Sun Jun 7 00:20:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dr. What to calcmandan on Sat Jun 06 2020 04:35 pm

    The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and
    a long criminal history.
    (Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and deat when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)

    Now, that doesn't excuse the cop's actions. But it's looking like the cop d not cause his death.

    IHMO: If I knew someone to have along criminal history (like the cops did) a to be on drugs (like the cops did - but they probably didn't know what), I probably wouldn't have done anything to help.


    ... Elvis Stamps: Where will your mail be spotted next?

    The articles I read state d the coroners never used the word asphyxiated in their autopsy. He died from a combination of drugs, a heart condition and being wrestled down and detained by the police placed him in the condition of cardiac arrest. If that is the case, the police should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Several years ago a 400 pound bear of a dude was publicly intoxicated, and the cops decided to taze him rather than get hurt trying to tackle him down. He was tazed 3 or 4 times, then died later of a heart attack that night. His family was trying to get tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyways if he was wrestled down.


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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to MRO on Sun Jun 7 07:57:08 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:57 am

    now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to handouts they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business owners are the enemy.

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
    ---

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like them.

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Al on Sun Jun 7 08:41:18 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Dr. What on Sat Jun 06 2020 05:27 pm

    The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl
    and had a long criminal history.

    None of that changes the fact that the cops caused his death. I'm sure the charges will get knocked down or possibly dropped in the end.

    The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three othe officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.

    Does anyone know why the cops had floyd pinned down for so long? The cuffs were on him. Why didn't they just get him up and put him in the car? What were they waiting for? Were they waiting for the EMT's to arrive to take him to the hospital cause he was under the influence or at least acting that way? Why were they called? Was he acting aggresive and high? The man is almost 7 feet tall. If I'm a cop and a 7 feet tall black man is acting nuts I'm going to pin him to the ground and keep him there anyway I can until I feel it's safe to let him up. It's a matter of who gets hurt. Me or him.

    HusTler
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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Dr. What on Sun Jun 7 16:01:46 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dr. What to calcmandan on Sat Jun 06 2020 04:35 pm

    The "murder" idea is getting thinner by the minute. He was on fentanyl and had a long criminal history.
    (Fentanyl, for those who don't know, can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.)

    Now, that doesn't excuse the cop's actions. But it's looking like the cop did not cause his death.

    IHMO: If I knew someone to have along criminal history (like the cops did) and to be on drugs (like the cops did - but they probably didn't know what), I probably wouldn't have done anything to help.

    Oh Jesus christ... facts;

    George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police officer who restrained his airflow until he died.

    I even agree with you on some points; like riotting and destroying property can't happen, and police intervention is needed at those times...

    That the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted.

    However, Floyd was murdered. Period, end of discussion.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Moondog on Sun Jun 7 16:06:04 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:20 am

    The articles I read state d the coroners never used the word asphyxiated in their autopsy. He died from a combination of drugs, a heart condition and being wrestled down and detained by the police placed him in the condition of cardiac arrest. If that is the case, the police should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Several years ago a 400 pound bear of a dude was publicly intoxicated, and the cops decided to taze him rather than get hurt trying to tackle him down. He was tazed 3 or 4 times, then died later of a heart attack that night. His family was trying to get tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyways if he was wrestled down.

    George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police officer took and nothing, not one tiny bit, else.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Sun Jun 7 16:07:27 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Jun 07 2020 07:57 am

    now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to
    handouts they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business
    owners are the enemy.

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like them. HusTler

    Every single word here is racist and disgusting.

    'They' is the problem; and god help you if 'we' ever decide that 'you' are the new nigger.

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  • From Al@TRMB to Arelor on Sun Jun 7 16:16:34 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Arelor to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 02:52 am

    The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.

    My theory is that not, it is not.

    The murder was the catalyst that started it all. It has become much more now.

    It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to cause political instability for some reason.

    I support peaceful demonstrations but not rioting and looting. How demonstrations turn into a riot I don't know. Anger and outrage plays a part. That doesn't make it OK.

    I was once in downtown Vancouver and after the big game was over (I never attended) I was in the midst of a riot. Police cars on fire and mayhem. I was scared. I didn't know who was the good guys and who was the bad guys and neither did the police who were unprepared and outnumbered.

    All that because of a hockey game. The rioters were not hockey fans.

    If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarters of the police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countries that have no horse on the track.

    That did happen in Minniapolis. Minniapolis is not the same today as it was 2 weeks ago. There has also been much destruction elsewhere in the USA.

    Of course the Trump Administration had lots going on before this that was ongoing and will continue.

    The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, José Luis Rodrídríguez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the USA in an "impossible" position.

    I don't have eyes on the ex prime minister of Spain. I just don't have the spare hours in the day although I'm going to look this up and see if I can figure it out.

    I think the enemies of the federal government are having a lot of fun right now. Riots are breaking america harder than the secession war.

    I don't think anyone in government is having fun with any of this. The left and right were doing whatever it was they were doing before all this started and that is all likely to continue.

    I think both left and right can agree that justice for all is important and that all lives matter, including black lives.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@TRMB to HusTler on Sun Jun 7 16:43:54 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 08:41 am

    None of that changes the fact that the cops caused his death. I'm sure the charges will get knocked down or possibly dropped in the end.

    There are many facts that we don't know. I know two of those cops were new. They were on day 4 of their new jobs and so were being led by officers who were more experienced. I hope they will get their day in court and will also be treated with justice. Their lives also matter.

    Does anyone know why the cops had floyd pinned down for so long? The cuffs were on him. Why didn't they just get him up and put him in the car? What were they waiting for? Were they waiting for the EMT's to arrive to take him to the hospital cause he was under the influence or at least acting that way? Why were they called? Was he acting aggresive and high? The man is almost 7 feet tall. If I'm a cop and a 7 feet tall black man is acting nuts I'm going to pin him to the ground and keep him there anyway I can until I feel it's safe to let him up. It's a matter of who gets hurt. Me or him.

    The cop told George Floyd to get up at some point and George told him "I can't move" and "I can't breathe".

    George Floyd knew the arresting officer who had his knee on his neck. They worked together at a nightclub in the area where he was arrested. There may be facts around that that need to be considered.

    I don't think Floyd needed to be restrained after he was handcuffed, and if he did a knee on his back would have been better that a knee on his neck.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Sun Jun 7 21:25:18 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to MRO on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:39 am


    right now i dont care if he was murdered.

    The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.

    it's just an excuse.

    i think it's about 5 years too late. he did a home invasion and held
    a gun on a pregnant woman's stomach.

    I assume that Floyd has paid his debt to society for whatever he did in the past.

    some things you cant pay back. if you think that what he did is okay and forgivable, there's something wrong with you.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Sun Jun 7 21:27:07 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Ogg on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:42 am

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:02 pm

    from what i saw on the video it was very strange. i think he was
    trying to do a neck compression to make him pass out so they can
    handle him.

    But the official word from the police chief was that there was no such procedure in training.

    Edmonton police recently used a similar thing on a suspect in Edmonton. I'm pretty sure they don't get trained to use such a technique either.


    the chokehold has saved more lives than it has taken. the problem is , some people dont know how to administer it correctly.

    there's some people that are in such a state that you can only take them down with a bullet or a choke hold. nothing else works because of the drugs in their system and their drive.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Arelor on Sun Jun 7 21:28:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Arelor to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 02:52 am

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to MRO on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:39 am

    The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.

    My theory is that not, it is not.

    It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to caus political instability for some reason.

    If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarters of police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countries that ha no horse on the track.

    The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, Jos¡ Luis Rodr¡dr¡guez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the USA in an "impossible" position.



    i would say the corona virus brought us to this.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Sun Jun 7 21:30:36 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Jun 07 2020 07:57 am

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Jun 06 2020 11:57 am

    now you have a group of people who vote democrat, are just used to handou they think nothing is their fault and businesses and business owners are enemy.

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.
    ---

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly aggresi ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like them.

    what are you quoting.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Sun Jun 7 22:44:24 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 08:41 am

    Does anyone know why the cops had floyd pinned down for so long? The cuffs were on him. Why didn't they just get him up and put him in the car? What we they waiting for? Were they waiting for the EMT's to arrive to take him to t hospital cause he was under the influence or at least acting that way? Why w they called? Was he acting aggresive and high? The man is almost 7 feet tall

    he was a big guy and he was on a lot of shit. they probably thought he was on pcp. i hope they were waiting for the emts. doesnt make sense that they were just there doing nothing.

    there's a video from the actual store but the city atty told the store owner not to release it. the store owner says its the same vid as the phones. doesnt make sense.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sun Jun 7 22:54:20 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Dr. What on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:01 pm

    George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police officer who restrained h airflow until he died.

    hey that's not true. his airflow wasnt 'restrained' or restricted.

    That the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted.

    However, Floyd was murdered. Period, end of discussion.

    we dont really know what was going on. i'm glad it's going to court.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sun Jun 7 22:56:03 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Moondog on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:06 pm

    tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyway if he was wrestled down.

    George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police officer took and nothing, not one tiny bit, else.



    well he was on meth and fent. people die from that shit all the time.
    he also had serious health problems.

    he died of a heart attack.

    maybe the fuckup shouldnt have been trying to pass fake 20 dollar bills.

    i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long criminal history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.

    hope he's in hell.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Sun Jun 7 22:57:32 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to HusTler on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:43 pm


    I don't think Floyd needed to be restrained after he was handcuffed, and if did a knee on his back would have been better that a knee on his neck.

    Ttyl :-),


    have you ever taken down a 6'5 man that is mostly muscle and full of drugs?
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  • From Al@TRMB to MRO on Mon Jun 8 02:17:20 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 10:57 pm

    I don't think Floyd needed to be restrained after he was handcuffed,
    and if did a knee on his back would have been better that a knee on
    his neck.

    have you ever taken down a 6'5 man that is mostly muscle and full of drugs?

    In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car. Officer Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other side of the car and put him on the ground and used his knee on his neck to restrain him. Floyd asked to stand up and said "I can't breathe" repeatedly while pleading for his life. Floyd was not resisting.

    Police do have a hard job and must sometimes use force, even deadly force but I don't think that kind of force was needed in this case.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to Al on Mon Jun 8 11:40:00 2020
    Al wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three other officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.

    I just love how Lefties ignore any fact that doesn't support their Narrarive.

    No one questions whether or not the cop was in the right. But for "murder" to stick, they need to show that the cop caused the death. If fentanyl caused the death, then it won't be murder.


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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to paulie420 on Mon Jun 8 11:42:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Oh Jesus christ... facts;

    Yes. Facts. You should stop ignoring the ones that don't match your Narrative.

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  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to MRO on Mon Jun 8 08:25:00 2020
    MRO wrote to Thumper <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Thumper to Dr. What on Tue Jun 02 2020 02:57 pm


    We used to go to Grand Rapids for various events. That won't be happeni for the forseeable future.

    I live up in the Motherlode with very small towns. It was just announced the are planning a protest tomorrow in Sonora. Hope all remains calm. There have been rumors of people "bussing" in but no idea if true or not.....
    -=Thumper=-


    over by me a lady heard about a skid of bricks being dropped off for a 'protest'

    she went there with her husband and their truck and sure enough, there they were. parked in a driveway near businesses. it wasnt enough for a construction job or anything else other than being thrown at windows.


    so they loaded them up in the truck and drove off and called the police
    to tell them.

    free bricks

    Very cool! Good idea!


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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to paulie420 on Mon Jun 8 15:13:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Moondog on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:06 pm

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Sun Jun 07 2020 12:20 am

    The articles I read state d the coroners never used the word asphyxiate in their autopsy. He died from a combination of drugs, a heart conditio and being wrestled down and detained by the police placed him in the condition of cardiac arrest. If that is the case, the police should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Several years ago a 400 pound be of a dude was publicly intoxicated, and the cops decided to taze him rather than get hurt trying to tackle him down. He was tazed 3 or 4 tim then died later of a heart attack that night. His family was trying to tazers banned even though the coroner concluded he would've died anyway if he was wrestled down.

    George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police officer took

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    I agree, but in the justice system there's a difference between murder and involuntary manslaughter (died from complications rather than mruderous intent.) Big difference.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Al on Mon Jun 8 15:14:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Arelor on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:16 pm

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Arelor to Al on Sun Jun 07 2020 02:52 am

    The murder of George Floyd is what brought us to where we are.

    My theory is that not, it is not.

    The murder was the catalyst that started it all. It has become much more now

    It is the excuse used to boot demonstrations and riots in an attempt to cause political instability for some reason.

    I support peaceful demonstrations but not rioting and looting. How demonstra

    I was once in downtown Vancouver and after the big game was over (I never at re unprepared and outnumbered.

    All that because of a hockey game. The rioters were not hockey fans.

    If the murder was the problem, people would be storming the headquarter of the police department involved. Instead, you have demonstrations and riots happening in places that are uninvolved, including foreign countr that have no horse on the track.

    That did happen in Minniapolis. Minniapolis is not the same today as it was

    Of course the Trump Administration had lots going on before this that was on

    The Spanish Ex Prime Minister, José Luis Rodrídríguez Zapatero, has declared that now is the time to take advantage and let Europe put the in an "impossible" position.

    I don't have eyes on the ex prime minister of Spain. I just don't have the s

    I think the enemies of the federal government are having a lot of fun right now. Riots are breaking america harder than the secession war.

    I don't think anyone in government is having fun with any of this. The left

    I think both left and right can agree that justice for all is important and

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


    Well said

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to MRO on Mon Jun 8 15:21:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Sun Jun 07 2020 10:56 pm


    well he was on meth and fent. people die from that shit all the time.
    he also had serious health problems.

    he died of a heart attack.

    maybe the fuckup shouldnt have been trying to pass fake 20 dollar bills.

    i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long criminal history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.

    hope he's in hell.

    Passing fake money isn't necessarily a crime being broken. He received that bill from someone else. If anything, calling the police in should've
    resulted in a detaining for questioning to determine the source of the bill. Even then they would've recorded a testimony while his memory was fresh, and turn the case over to the Treasury dept or secret service.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Mon Jun 8 16:51:25 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to MRO on Mon Jun 08 2020 02:17 am

    In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car. Offic Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other side of the car and him on the ground and used his knee on his neck to restrain him. Floyd asked

    you forgot the part about the struggle in the police suv.
    Floyd was not resisting.

    you didnt see the 2 videos i saw.
    go check out youtube.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Dr. What on Mon Jun 8 16:53:02 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dr. What to Al on Mon Jun 08 2020 11:40 am

    Al wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The murder idea is very real. The cop had his knee of the guys neck for more than eight minutes in spite of the fact he was handcuffed and had three other officers to support him, even after he was lifeless.

    I just love how Lefties ignore any fact that doesn't support their Narrarive

    No one questions whether or not the cop was in the right. But for "murder" stick, they need to show that the cop caused the death. If fentanyl caused death, then it won't be murder.


    the only thing that is going to stop this cop from walking is the fear of the riots. i saw the video of the struggle in the suv. they had a good reason to take him out and hold him down.
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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to paulie420 on Mon Jun 8 20:04:40 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Dr. What on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:01 pm

    Oh Jesus christ... facts;

    George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police officer who restrained his airflow until he died.

    He was resiting arrest and was a danger to the officers safety.

    I even agree with you on some points; like riotting and destroying

    That the cop was wrong and should be prosecuted.

    Prosecuted yes. Aquitted? Most likely. Murder charges will never hold up. He was an ex-con, a crazed drug addict wacked out of his mind and also held a job has a bouncer. Enough said.

    HusTler

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to paulie420 on Mon Jun 8 20:29:54 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to HusTler on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:07 pm

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
    aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
    them.

    Every single word here is racist and disgusting.

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me to like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespecting our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teaching their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the past? Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost.
    Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong. They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back.

    HusTler

    HusTler
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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to MRO on Mon Jun 8 20:37:55 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Jun 07 2020 09:30 pm

    what are you quoting.
    ---

    I must have included the wrong thing. Sorry bout that. ;-)

    HusTler

    HusTler
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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Al on Mon Jun 8 20:45:02 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to MRO on Mon Jun 08 2020 02:17 am

    In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car. Officer Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other side of the car and put him on the ground and used his knee on his neck to

    What?? This is the first time I've heard this version. Why was he taken out of the car? That must have been when he tried to "Jet" (escape).

    HusTler

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Moondog on Mon Jun 8 16:48:39 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 03:13 pm

    George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police
    officer took

    I agree, but in the justice system there's a difference between murder and involuntary manslaughter (died from complications rather than mruderous intent.) Big difference.

    In most cases, I support the officers...

    However, if you (not you.. anyone) take 9 minutes and watch the video, there is zero denying that you are watching Chauvin kill this guy.

    I mean its so black and white; cut and dry. The guy pinned him down, used a martial arts hold - which a lot of people don't understand, Chauvin was using a corroded artery hold; which is a THING... until the man died from it. You can watch agonizing by agonizing second of exactly that.

    Nothing else happened here. Chauvin murdered the man.

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  • From Al@TRMB to HusTler on Tue Jun 9 01:05:01 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Al on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:45 pm

    In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police
    car. Officer Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other
    side of the car and put him on the ground and used his knee on his
    neck to

    What?? This is the first time I've heard this version. Why was he taken out of the car? That must have been when he tried to "Jet" (escape).

    I don't have a list of facts in front of me. I got the above from the editorial of someone who wanted 1st degree murders charges instead of the third or second degree charges in place at the time it was written.

    There was no mention of Floyd resisting or fleeing.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From The Lizard Master@NITEEYES to HusTler on Tue Jun 9 11:20:44 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
    aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
    them.

    Every single word here is racist and disgusting.

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me to like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespecting our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teaching their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the past? Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost.
    Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong. They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back.

    Maybe start here - https://youtu.be/wKeITMzMn7w

    I'm glad you are honest, but it makes me sad as a human you see the world this way.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to HusTler on Tue Jun 9 08:36:09 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to

    I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to paulie420 on Tue Jun 9 11:44:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Moondog on Mon Jun 08 2020 04:48 pm

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 03:13 pm

    George Floyd died because of the actions the minneapolis police
    officer took

    I agree, but in the justice system there's a difference between murder involuntary manslaughter (died from complications rather than mruderous intent.) Big difference.

    In most cases, I support the officers...

    However, if you (not you.. anyone) take 9 minutes and watch the video, there

    I mean its so black and white; cut and dry. The guy pinned him down, used a gonizing second of exactly that.

    Nothing else happened here. Chauvin murdered the man.

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    I'm going by the coroner's report. He was in cardiac arrest before placed in
    a submission hold. That's probab;y why was was pulled from the suv and held
    on the ground.

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to paulie420 on Tue Jun 9 09:11:30 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Moondog on Mon Jun 08 2020 04:48 pm

    Nothing else happened here. Chauvin murdered the man.

    Yep. Chauvin killed a man in the line of duty and in defence of his own life and his fellow officers. When blacks learn to stop resisting arrest the killings will stop.

    Regards,
    HusTler
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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to AL on Tue Jun 9 11:28:00 2020
    I don't have a list of facts in front of me. I got the above from the editorial
    of someone who wanted 1st degree murders charges instead of the third or second
    degree charges in place at the time it was written.

    Not sure about Canadian press but, here in the USA, "editorials" no longer
    deal in facts but mostly opinion. They used to be someone's opinion of the facts, but now facts do not have to play into it at all.


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  • From DaiTengu@ENSEMBLE to HusTler on Tue Jun 9 14:07:29 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    Every single word here is racist and disgusting.

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me to like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespecting our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teaching their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the past? Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost. Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong. They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back.


    I've been trying to bite my tongue here, but I just can't anymore. I've started multiple messages in response to your rasict diatribes, and aborted them thinking "no, he's not worth the effort"

    You may not be worth the effort, but your comments are. You are 100% wrong in everything you've said. The majority of the country does not think the way you do (as evidenced by the current goings-on, and the huge amount of support the protesters have throughout the world). You are the very type of filth that they're protesting against.

    DaiTengu

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  • From DaiTengu@ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Tue Jun 9 14:10:35 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Jun 09 2020 08:36 am

    I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.

    I don't have a twit list, but He's the sole reason I'm serously considering implementing one.

    Ugh.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Gamgee@PALANT to Dumas Walker on Tue Jun 9 13:34:00 2020
    Dumas Walker wrote to AL <=-

    I don't have a list of facts in front of me. I got the above from the editorial
    of someone who wanted 1st degree murders charges instead of the third or second
    degree charges in place at the time it was written.

    Not sure about Canadian press but, here in the USA, "editorials"
    no longer deal in facts but mostly opinion. They used to be
    someone's opinion of the facts, but now facts do not have to play
    into it at all.

    Absolutely right. In fact, that same truth also applies to nearly
    *ALL* content spewed forth from the "mainstream" media outlets.
    Not just editorials, but what we used to know as "the news".

    Think "Walter Cronkite" and similar, if you go back that far, to
    recall what real news was.


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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to The Lizard Master on Tue Jun 9 17:31:03 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: The Lizard Master to HusTler on Tue Jun 09 2020 11:20 am

    I'm glad you are honest, but it makes me sad as a human you see the world this way.

    ---TLM

    It makes me sad I get frighted whenever a black person gets near me or my kids.

    Regards,
    HusTler
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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Nightfox on Tue Jun 9 17:34:47 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Jun 09 2020 08:36 am

    I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.

    Nightfox

    If I cared what you or anyone else thought of me I wouldn't post remarks like that. Would I?

    Regards,
    HusTler
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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to DaiTengu on Tue Jun 9 17:43:15 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Tue Jun 09 2020 02:07 pm

    I've been trying to bite my tongue here, but I just can't anymore. I've started multiple messages in response to your rasict diatribes, and aborted them thinking "no, he's not worth the effort"

    You may not be worth the effort, but your comments are. You are 100% wrong in everything you've said. The majority of the country does not think the way you do (as evidenced by the current goings-on, and the huge amount of support the protesters have throughout the world). You are the very type of filth that they're protesting against.

    I agree! And all the protests and nasty comments directed at me or the silent majority is never going to change that. So deal with it.

    Regards,
    HusTler
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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to HusTler on Tue Jun 9 22:53:47 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to The Lizard Master on Tue Jun 09 2020 05:31 pm

    It makes me sad I get frighted whenever a black person gets near me or my kids.

    Yes, it's sad that you get frightened by black people.

    Nightfox

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  • From calcmandan@DIGDIST to Nightfox on Wed Jun 10 06:03:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to

    I am disgusted by your racist attitude and am almost considering adding you to my twit list.

    As a user of your bbs, I ask that you please do so.

    Thanks

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Vk3jed@FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Jun 10 21:25:00 2020
    On 06-09-20 22:53, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    Yes, it's sad that you get frightened by black people.

    I find that sad as well. I find it a lot more interesting to mix with different people and learn about the various histories and cultures involved. In my case, that includes taking on board a lot of unpleasant truths about the past, which it's likely some of my ancestors were compicit in - think massacres and genocide that history conveniently "forgot". But those events also explain a lot about what's going on today over here.

    I prefer to learn and understand myself.


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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Moondog on Wed Jun 10 16:39:32 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Jun 08 2020 03:21 pm

    i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long crimi history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.

    hope he's in hell.

    Passing fake money isn't necessarily a crime being broken. He received that bill from someone else. If anything, calling the police in should've resulted in a detaining for questioning to determine the source of the bill. Even then they would've recorded a testimony while his memory was fresh, and


    yeah i'm sure he was a fucking angel and it was all a misunderstanding.
    happens to everyone.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Wed Jun 10 16:41:07 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to HusTler on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:07 pm

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
    aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
    them.

    Every single word here is racist and disgusting.

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespectin our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teach their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the pa Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost.
    Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back



    this is a very close minded way to think and i hope you can outgrow this. it's not doing you any good.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Wed Jun 10 16:42:15 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Al on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:45 pm

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to MRO on Mon Jun 08 2020 02:17 am

    In this case Floyd was handcuffed and put in the back of a police car. Officer Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the car from the other side of the car and put him on the ground and used his knee on his neck to

    What?? This is the first time I've heard this version. Why was he taken ou of the car? That must have been when he tried to "Jet" (escape).



    there is a video of it but you can not see the side that is open. what i
    think happened is he brought his feet up to kick at the door or officer. that's when they bring him out and restrain him.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Wed Jun 10 16:46:29 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Moondog on Mon Jun 08 2020 04:48 pm

    I mean its so black and white; cut and dry. The guy pinned him down, used a martial arts hold - which a lot of people don't understand, Chauvin was usin corroded artery hold; which is a THING... until the man died from it. You ca watch agonizing by agonizing second of exactly that.


    he died of a heart attack. he was on drugs. he had arterial disease and heart disease.

    yes the officer was trying to do that hold on him. he wasnt doing an effective job because people should go out in under 30 seconds. that hold isnt what killed him.
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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Wed Jun 10 12:58:00 2020
    Think "Walter Cronkite" and similar, if you go back that far, to
    recall what real news was.

    Yes, I remember him. He was a real newsperson.


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  • From Dennisk@MINDSEYE to MRO on Thu Jun 11 09:30:00 2020
    MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to HusTler on Sun Jun 07 2020 04:07 pm

    they are no longer warriors. they are weak.

    They are black. They are arragont, disrespectful, ignorant, overly
    aggresive ugly people. Nothing they do will ever "make" me like
    them.

    Every single word here is racist and disgusting.

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespectin our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teach their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the pa Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost.
    Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back

    this is a very close minded way to think and i hope you can outgrow
    this. it's not doing you any good.

    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    In the 20th century a belief arose that this human dynamic was not important, and could be overcome, that you could have nations where people are united by a proposition only. Many conservatives still believe this, but the progressives have realised this and therefore are ahead of the game. This idea is unravelling, as are many of the other ideals of the past (European Union, Neo-Liberalism, Globalism).


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  • From Al@TRMB to Dumas Walker on Thu Jun 11 03:01:17 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to AL on Tue Jun 09 2020 11:28 am

    Not sure about Canadian press but, here in the USA, "editorials" no longer deal in facts but mostly opinion. They used to be someone's opinion of the facts, but now facts do not have to play into it at all.

    News in Canada is generally presented in fact form but there are editorials also. Editorials can be helpful in understanding a story beyond it's bare facts if you do have all the facts. A reader needs to be mindful of what they are reading, it's sources etc.

    Admittedly I do not have all the facts here and I don't know if there is somewhere I can read them simply as they are.

    It seems pretty clear to me that George Floyd was murdered by another narciccist who didn't care that the murder would be available for all to see. He looked directly at the camera several times.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to MRO on Thu Jun 11 02:21:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Jun 10 2020 04:39 pm

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Jun 08 2020 03:21 pm

    i feel no outrage over this piece of garbage's death. he has a long cr history and in one instance held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.

    hope he's in hell.

    Passing fake money isn't necessarily a crime being broken. He received t bill from someone else. If anything, calling the police in should've resulted in a detaining for questioning to determine the source of the bi Even then they would've recorded a testimony while his memory was fresh,


    yeah i'm sure he was a fucking angel and it was all a misunderstanding. happens to everyone.

    He was by no means an angel, and had a rap sheet. Counterfeiting wasn't his modus operandi. His choices of poison were meth and fent, and I imagine it's easier to pass bills through people making illegal transactions versus taking
    a chance at a place with a pen or other means of detection. Good, bad, whatever. Dying over a fake $20 is an empty death.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Dennisk on Thu Jun 11 02:44:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am


    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and fr what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    In the 20th century a belief arose that this human dynamic was not important and could be overcome, that you could have nations where people are united b proposition only. Many conservatives still believe this, but the progressiv have realised this and therefore are ahead of the game. This idea is unravelling, as are many of the other ideals of the past (European Union, Neo-Liberalism, Globalism).


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    Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it appears to be in the
    early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an
    attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
    culture?

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Thu Jun 11 16:47:54 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Dumas Walker on Thu Jun 11 2020 03:01 am

    It seems pretty clear to me that George Floyd was murdered by another narciccist who didn't care that the murder would be available for all to see He looked directly at the camera several times.

    okay now this is some weird shit.

    george floyd was on several types of drugs. he was taken out of the police car because when they put him in he was kicking and fighting. that is when he was restrained.

    i dont think narcissism played any roll. that 'camera' was a phone with a person behind it. he wasnt staring at it like a mirror when he was fucking some prostitute.

    it wasnt a murder. he died of a heart attack. he was on a ton of drugs and he had medical issues. his whole life is a series of crimes.

    go online and see the autopsy report.
    it's very through.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Moondog on Thu Jun 11 16:51:40 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 02:21 am


    yeah i'm sure he was a fucking angel and it was all a misunderstanding. happens to everyone.

    He was by no means an angel, and had a rap sheet. Counterfeiting wasn't his modus operandi. His choices of poison were meth and fent, and I imagine it'

    hey, you can buy fake bills easy. i've been approached. i dont think floyd made those bills.

    i think his choices of poison were everything.
    easier to pass bills through people making illegal transactions versus takin a chance at a place with a pen or other means of detection. Good, bad, whatever. Dying over a fake $20 is an empty death.

    empty life, empty death.

    he really died because he started bullshit. he could have just said that he didnt know it was fake and offer to pay with a real bill.

    he was also acting crazy which led to the police call.
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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to AL on Thu Jun 11 11:51:00 2020
    It seems pretty clear to me that George Floyd was murdered by another narciccis
    who didn't care that the murder would be available for all to see. He looked d
    rectly at the camera several times.

    I do not believe it necessarily was racially motivated, though. Supposedly this cop was a dumbass who had done stupid things before. Were all of his victims non-white? The other three cops involved, who watched and
    apparently did nothing, were non-white.

    Closer to home, the victim that people have been out on the streets for
    going on two weeks now was black also. However, it happened at night while they were in bed sleeping, the three cops involved may not have known who
    lived there (that part has been reported differently in the news) as they were serving a warrant regarding a third person who was not on the premisses at
    the time. One thing that is consistent in all of the stories is that the
    cops were shot at, and one was hit, early on during the confrontation.

    While that protest has been somewhat about police overreach (and the use of no-knock warrants), most of the protesters have turned it into a black vs. white thing. As we learn more about the detective that swore out the
    warrant (but was not involved in it being served), some details could come
    out that make it appear to be more than it does now. As it is, it sounds
    like someone screwed up but that it might not be racially motivated or even criminal.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Thu Jun 11 21:39:00 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Mon Jun 08 2020 08:29 pm

    Yes I am a racist and nothing will ever change that. My hatred for blacks runs deep. Let's see what happens Nov 3. I suspect much of the country feels them same way I do. They just won't admit it. Nobody is going to "force" me to like black people. Whenever I see them behave they way they do (Disrespecting our flag, disprespecting property and police officers) I dislike them even more. These demonstrations are NOT going to change anything. Now their teaching their children how to protest against us. What have protests done in the past? Create even more hate. Do you think law and order won't prevail in this country? The people that protest only want anarchy for our country. We must never never let that happen. No matter what the cost. Show us you know how to behave. Give us a reason not to be afraid of you. Blacks collectivly are hostile, angry people that NEVER admit they are wrong. They all believe they've been wronged by whites and are looking for pay back.

    HusTler

    I'm not attacking you personally, but... well, I used to think like you do. I used to act like you do, at the very least.

    I'm happy that I have growo to be more accepting; in fact you can still retain your desire and even demand for humans who strive to be better...

    However, I feel that the text you wrote and the feelings that you harbor are a huge problem in America today; collectively bringing our entire country down. I think that the beliefs are disgusting and... jeez, they just show character, lack thereof and hate that the world would be a better place without.

    They are the beleifs of ignorance, hate and stupidity - one person isn't a race, and a race isn't one person - there is no THEY.

    I hope you grow.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Thu Jun 11 21:44:48 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Tue Jun 09 2020 09:11 am

    Nothing else happened here. Chauvin murdered the man.

    Yep. Chauvin killed a man in the line of duty and in defence of his own life and his fellow officers. When blacks learn to stop resisting arrest the killings will stop.
    Regards,
    HusTler

    Everyone on the right, at the very least in the news of the past two weeks, has come out and agreed that the actions of Chauvin were disgusting and illegal; I believe that regardless of your beliefs the justice system will get it right.

    I don't think he will get capitol murder or anything; I think the DA got it right @ 2nd degree... I believe that you're opinion will go down in history as just that.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to MRO on Thu Jun 11 22:01:24 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Wed Jun 10 2020 04:46 pm

    he died of a heart attack. he was on drugs. he had arterial disease and heart disease.

    yes the officer was trying to do that hold on him. he wasnt doing an effective job because people should go out in under 30 seconds. that hold isnt what killed him.

    I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from cardiac arrest, would need any type of restraining at all... I saw from beginning to end; the man was communicating and the officer took the life out of him- we saw it.

    I think justice will agree with my assesment, but I can understand your point of view...
    I appreciate that you have an opinion, sans the racism. :P

    This is WHY we have a justice system... For both our sakes, we need it in this situation.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Dennisk on Thu Jun 11 22:05:01 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am

    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;

    meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home at night.

    Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police force... take away their ability to use such force.
    It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 01:36:44 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 10:01 pm

    I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from cardi arrest, would need any type of restraining at all... I saw from beginning to end; the man was communicating and the officer took the life out of him- we it.

    he was jacked up on drugs. there was a struggle because he was kicking in the suv. they took him out and restrained him and he died of a heart attack.

    he was on a lot of drugs and he had a lot of medical issues.

    either way, he shouldnt have been breaking the law, he shouldnt have been on drugs and he shouldnt have resisted arrest. that's why he's dead.

    if the police officer wanted to kill him, there's easier ways.
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  • From Arelor to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 04:58:22 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to HusTler on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:39 pm

    They are the beleifs of ignorance, hate and stupidity - one person isn't a race, an
    race isn't one person - there is no THEY.

    s/there is no THEY/there shoud be no THEY/

    I think it is prety much established that people:

    * Seek the feeling of belonging to a group.
    * Reinforce their identity by mocking or abusing people from another groups.

    Mob mentality is a thing. This is why mobbing and bullying are so prevalent. People in
    school and workplace associate in groups that are cool and piss on any deviant that
    does not belong, because it makes them feel part of the cool group.

    There is more than that, but that is the summary.

    So, in my opinion, as soon as a group of people gathers or organizes around anything,
    there is a THEY.
  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 14:29:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 10:01 pm

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Wed Jun 10 2020 04:46 pm

    he died of a heart attack. he was on drugs. he had arterial disease and heart disease.

    yes the officer was trying to do that hold on him. he wasnt doing an effective job because people should go out in under 30 seconds. that ho isnt what killed him.

    I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from cardi

    I think justice will agree with my assesment, but I can understand your poin I appreciate that you have an opinion, sans the racism. :P

    This is WHY we have a justice system... For both our sakes, we need it in th

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    The cardiac arrest may haave been the reason he was trying to get loose nd resist. His body was telling him something is wrong, like when someone needs to urinate real bad, they start dancing the "pee pee dance."

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to MRO on Fri Jun 12 15:43:40 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 2020 01:36 am

    I personally couldn't imagine that a man dying on his own accord, from
    cardi arrest, would need any type of restraining at all... I saw from
    beginning to end; the man was communicating and the officer took the
    life out of him- we it.

    he was jacked up on drugs. there was a struggle because he was kicking in the suv. they took him out and restrained him and he died of a heart attack.
    he was on a lot of drugs and he had a lot of medical issues.
    either way, he shouldnt have been breaking the law, he shouldnt have been on drugs and he shouldnt have resisted arrest. that's why he's dead.

    So, I'm sure you and I will just disagree here... but the reply is because I disagree; again, not attacking you personally here BUT- how can one say 'he died of a heart attack' when you can easily view the video and see him begging for his life- and if I'm trying to debate on the other side... he was seen arguing with the cop - hell, even if I elevate that and say he was seen 'resisting arrest' (Which at that point, I disagree- he wasn't.)...

    Given all that, a man talking, yelling... BEGGING, doesn't show to me a human who is dying of a heart attack.

    What I saw was what the majority of the world saw... a man begging, however you wan't to say it, verbally for his life - as the officer put pressure on him... went from begging, to fighting for breaths, to being unconscious and ultimately to a lifeless body on the ground.

    I think thats what the vast majority sees, too.

    Again - I'm glad we live in a country where we can both disagree, and that we have a justice system that can debate our differences... in the end, I believe the truth will come out.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Arelor on Fri Jun 12 15:58:11 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Arelor to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 2020 04:58 am

    s/there is no THEY/there shoud be no THEY/

    What I had meant is that there should be no black, white, asian, jewish... we are all just people. While I agree with you that... there is a 'they' whenever people join a group or... group of people;

    I think we're both using it wrong. I was simply trying to say that once ones vocabulary groups any race, and type of person, any religion... any 'they' that they intend to be racist against, there shouldn't be those types of THEY...

    We are all just people. Your worth is the same as mine, the same as black humans, the same as the next.

    Once the dialogue goes to THEM, THEY, THOSE PEOPLE... is when the problems start. Thanks for your reply... I wish my original post had conveyed more of what I meant by the statement.

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  • From Arelor to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 17:00:58 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Fri Jun 12 2020 03:58 pm

    We are all just people. Your worth is the same as mine, the same as black humans, the same as the next.

    I apreciate the good intention.

    I think not all humans are created equal, and some people are worth different to other people.

    For example, only my horses and my mother care if I live or die, so I am worth a lot to them but I am worth crap to everybody else. The US government and some other agencies offered a reward of more than 100 million for Osama Bin Laden, which means he was worth orders of magnitude more than me for a lot of powerful people.

    I know I am a cynic, but I am a bit tired of being told that everybody is equal by people who is more equal than the rest... It just does not match reality in my experience.
  • From MRO@BBSESINF to paulie420 on Fri Jun 12 20:56:56 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Fri Jun 12 2020 03:43 pm

    Given all that, a man talking, yelling... BEGGING, doesn't show to me a huma who is dying of a heart attack.


    if you have medical problems and you are on the type of drugs he was on and you get into a struggle with 4 strong men, you might have a heart attack.
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  • From Dennisk@DUNGEON to Moondog on Fri Jun 12 23:01:00 2020
    Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am


    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and fr what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    In the 20th century a belief arose that this human dynamic was not important and could be overcome, that you could have nations where people are united b proposition only. Many conservatives still believe this, but the progressiv have realised this and therefore are ahead of the game. This idea is unravelling, as are many of the other ideals of the past (European Union, Neo-Liberalism, Globalism).


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    Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into
    Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it
    appears to be in the early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
    culture?

    That is true, to some degree. It is a matter of interpretation. Some interprettthe actions as attempts to remove Aboriginals from potentially toxic situations. I think any attempt to assimilate out a people is deplorable. More and more it is seen as a source of shame, which I don't think is helpful. The best thing we can do, is ensure mutual respect and good treatment, but there seems to be a lot of focus on guilt-tripping Australians.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Dennisk on Sat Jun 13 13:18:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to Moondog on Fri Jun 12 2020 11:01 pm


    Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it appears to be in the early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
    culture?

    That is true, to some degree. It is a matter of interpretation. Some interprettthe actions as attempts to remove Aboriginals from potentially tox situations. I think any attempt to assimilate out a people is deplorable. More and more it is seen as a source of shame, which I don't think is helpfu The best thing we can do, is ensure mutual respect and good treatment, but there seems to be a lot of focus on guilt-tripping Australians.

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    Thank you for the feedback. On satellite I used to get a film channel that showed internaitonal films, and I noticed quite few period pieces covered the subject directly or indirectly. It seems like the opposite of what we seen
    in the US. If anyone had a mixed heritage, in the US they were labeled as being the non-white side of the heritage, and segregated from mainstream culture. It appears it was the other way in Australia, where mixed heritage resulted in being integrated into Aussie culture.

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  • From Dennisk@DUNGEON to paulie420 on Sat Jun 13 21:42:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am

    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;

    meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people
    who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So
    we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home
    at night.

    Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police
    force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.

    That is all well and true, but how is it that people are protesting in Australia? How is it that statues are being toppled? What does this have to do with a statue of Winston Churchill in London? Why are people pushing this idea of White Privilege on the back of this?

    Yes, some have genuine motives, and want to end police brutality, and I do agree that the police have become overly militarised and hostile. But there is so much else being pushed that makes me think that for many activists, this is just the excuse for identity politics.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Sat Jun 13 20:29:00 2020
    I know I am a cynic, but I am a bit tired of being told that everybody is equal
    by people who is more equal than the rest... It just does not match reality in >my experience.

    + 1


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  • From Al@TRMB to HusTler on Sun Jun 14 00:55:45 2020
    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Why not?

    The demonstrations will end when some real change has happened or perhaps when the demonstrators run out of steam. There does appear to be some real change happening.

    Rioting and looting are a different thing.

    Ttyl :-),
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  • From Al@TRMB to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 14 02:04:25 2020
    I do not believe it necessarily was racially motivated, though. Supposedly this cop was a dumbass who had done stupid things before. Were all of his victims non-white? The other three cops involved, who watched and
    apparently did nothing, were non-white.

    I don't know his motivation. These dumbass cops cops need to be trained or removed from the force before this kind of stuff can happen.

    Closer to home, the victim that people have been out on the streets for
    going on two weeks now was black also. However, it happened at night
    while they were in bed sleeping, the three cops involved may not have
    known who lived there (that part has been reported differently in the news) as
    they were serving a warrant regarding a third person who was not on the premisses at the time. One thing that is consistent in all of the stories is that
    the cops were shot at, and one was hit, early on during the confrontation.

    This is a different and very dangerous situation. I don't know the story but I hope the chief didn't send in some beat cops to attempt this arrest.

    While that protest has been somewhat about police overreach (and the use of no-knock warrants), most of the protesters have turned it into a black vs. white
    thing. As we learn more about the detective that swore out the warrant (but was
    not involved in it being served), some details could come out that make it appear
    to be more than it does now. As it is, it sounds like someone screwed up but that
    it might not be racially motivated or even criminal.

    This sounds like a difficult warrant to serve and probably a hard criminal to apprehend. I'd call in the US Marshal's perhaps for a tough case like that although it may not be a federal issue. Certainly not a beat cop if at all possible.

    I don't know all the facts here but it shows the real life threat that cops can face.
    Most cops that I have met are good cops who try their best to do the right thing
    and to serve & protect.

    Some cops I have come across seem to think they are serving in some sort of military. Police are not military and I am not the enemy.

    The role of police is to serve and protect, not to dominate.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 14 11:46:00 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sat Jun 13 2020 08:29 pm

    I know I am a cynic, but I am a bit tired of being told that everybody is e >by people who is more equal than the rest... It just does not match reality >my experience.

    + 1


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    theory.)

    Capitalism preaches equality of opportunity, aka anyone can go from rags to riches, at least in theory.

    There's also the belief that all men were created equal. We all enter the world the same way, naked and defenseless.

    In reality, forces work against an individual as soon as they are conceived. Some will say even before you were born, your parents decisions in life and where and when you are born, and the order in which your siblings were born al so relates to the cards an individual is dealt. There are cultural and regional inequalities you can inherit. What we do have is self determination and can acquire the tools to ensure our current situation doesn't become our destination. The roadblocks we personally cannot overcome need to be fixed
    at the society level. We need to recognize what's holding us back and fix
    it.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Al on Sun Jun 14 11:48:00 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to HusTler on Sun Jun 14 2020 12:55 am

    So are these demonstrations and riots going to change anything? Why or Wh not?

    The demonstrations will end when some real change has happened or perhaps wh the demonstrators run out of steam. There does appear to be some real change happening.

    Rioting and looting are a different thing.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to AL on Sun Jun 14 11:06:00 2020
    I don't know all the facts here but it shows the real life threat that cops ca
    face.
    Most cops that I have met are good cops who try their best to do the right thing
    and to serve & protect.

    + 1

    Some cops I have come across seem to think they are serving in some sort of military. Police are not military and I am not the enemy.

    + 1

    The role of police is to serve and protect, not to dominate.

    + 1 :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to DENNISK on Sun Jun 14 11:13:00 2020
    Yes, some have genuine motives, and want to end police brutality, and I do >agree that the police have become overly militarised and hostile. But there is
    so much else being pushed that makes me think that for many activists, this is >just the excuse for identity politics.

    Agreed. Seeing it spread outside of the USA makes it seem even more like
    an organized agenda activity vs. something happening just because of what
    went on in Minnesota.


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to AL on Sun Jun 14 11:14:00 2020
    The demonstrations will end when some real change has happened or perhaps when >the demonstrators run out of steam. There does appear to be some real change >happening.

    Some good, and some not-thought-out knee-jerk changes that are just going
    to lead to more trouble in the long run.


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  • From Al@TRMB to Moondog on Sun Jun 14 19:30:27 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:48 am

    Rioting and looting are a different thing.

    Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.

    A demonstration can become a riot very easily when people are angry as seems to be the case in the early days of the unrest.

    That doesn't make rioting or looting OK. It never is. We really need solutions to the underlying problems if we hope to move beyond this cycle.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@TRMB to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 14 19:33:56 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to DENNISK on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:13 am

    Agreed. Seeing it spread outside of the USA makes it seem even more like an organized agenda activity vs. something happening just because of what went on in Minnesota.

    There have been demonstrations in Canada also, for the same reason that it happens in the US. There is systemic racism in Canada also. I am glad to see leaders in Canada own up to it and and make plans to work toward a solution.

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  • From Al@TRMB to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 14 19:47:43 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dumas Walker to AL on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:14 am

    Some good, and some not-thought-out knee-jerk changes that are just going to lead to more trouble in the long run.

    Very true. We need solutions not more problems. The idea of defunding the police seems a bit hard for me to swallow. I can go along with diverting police funds to other areas if it means the police won't need to deal with so many other things.

    The police need to be funded adequetly to do whatever it is we expect them to do.

    I like the idea of dropping a lot of the current unions. In some cases police fire cops that end up back on the job because of the contacts. Police should be well paid and have a good contract, but departments should be able to fire cops when they do wrong and there should be a public record of officers past behaviors. Often times an officer will be fired here for very good reasons and go and work somewhere elsewhere since there is no record of their previous deeds.

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    Al

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Al on Mon Jun 15 09:18:00 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Moondog on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:30 pm

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 11:48 am

    Rioting and looting are a different thing.

    Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.

    A demonstration can become a riot very easily when people are angry as seems

    That doesn't make rioting or looting OK. It never is. We really need solutio

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Moondog on Mon Jun 15 16:26:02 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Al on Mon Jun 15 2020 09:18 am

    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.


    They keep saying their not going to let up till they get what they want. What do they want?? Their demanding that people "like" them and treat them special. They want their own State, their own police? fine. Give it to them. Give them whatever they want but their never going to make me like them. I'll treat them with respect and be polite to them. But I will never like them. When they go to far and the Army and National guard are called in to clean up their mess they will still by crying. It's never going to be enough for them. I've been hearing this crap since the late 60's and 70's and I've had enough of it! But that's just me I guess.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Mon Jun 15 20:02:43 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Moondog on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:30 pm

    Rioting and looting are a different thing.

    Unfortunately the looting and rioting is happening amongs the peaceful protesters, and it's hard to separate who is who.

    A demonstration can become a riot very easily when people are angry as seems be the case in the early days of the unrest.

    That doesn't make rioting or looting OK. It never is. We really need solutio to the underlying problems if we hope to move beyond this cycle.


    there was looting and rioting around me. they did it because they wanted to. there was no other reason.
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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Al on Mon Jun 15 20:05:37 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Al to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:47 pm

    I like the idea of dropping a lot of the current unions. In some cases polic fire cops that end up back on the job because of the contacts. Police should well paid and have a good contract, but departments should be able to fire c

    once a union gets established the only way to get rid of it is to go out of business. they arent going to be dropped.

    there are also different local agencies. it's confusing, but in my area police officers can be members of different agencies in the same city. also sherrifs and police are separate.
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  • From Tracker1@TRN to Moondog on Tue Jun 16 17:56:14 2020
    On 6/15/2020 6:18 AM, Moondog wrote:
    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.

    Some of the smarter ones have... they know it kills their own message
    and works against them. This CHAZ^wCHOP thing is really the best/worst example of how much lack of thought there is to some of the actions.
    And how bad Seattle/WA is in terms of politics and leaning.

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  • From Dennisk@MINDSEYE to paulie420 on Wed Jun 17 20:37:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am

    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed human trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about asserting power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;

    meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people
    who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So
    we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home
    at night.

    Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police
    force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.

    Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American model.
    Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.

    Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly and in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.


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  • From Dennisk@MINDSEYE to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 20:41:00 2020
    Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to Moondog on Fri Jun 12 2020 11:01 pm


    Other than what I've seen in movies, I never looked deep into Australia's situation with Aboriginals. From what I've seen, it appears to be in the early to mid 20th century there was a war on aboriginal culture and an attempt to assimilate the younger generation into mainstream society, specific ally those of mixed heritage. How is that time period viewed by modern Aussie
    culture?

    That is true, to some degree. It is a matter of interpretation. Some interprettthe actions as attempts to remove Aboriginals from potentially tox situations. I think any attempt to assimilate out a people is deplorable. More and more it is seen as a source of shame, which I don't think is helpfu The best thing we can do, is ensure mutual respect and good treatment, but there seems to be a lot of focus on guilt-tripping Australians.

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    Thank you for the feedback. On satellite I used to get a film channel that showed internaitonal films, and I noticed quite few period pieces covered the subject directly or indirectly. It seems like the opposite
    of what we seen in the US. If anyone had a mixed heritage, in the US
    they were labeled as being the non-white side of the heritage, and segregated from mainstream culture. It appears it was the other way in Australia, where mixed heritage resulted in being integrated into
    Aussie culture.

    A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie makers probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed race people should be considered white. Now, it is the opposite. People who are a small fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trouble for pointing out that some of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wrote articles questining why people who would look white would be motivated to identify as Aboriginal.

    That is one of the ideological topics where you are kind of required to follow the orthodoxy, so I won't comment further.



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  • From Thumper@THEWASTE to Tracker1 on Wed Jun 17 09:12:00 2020
    Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-

    On 6/15/2020 6:18 AM, Moondog wrote:
    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.

    Some of the smarter ones have... they know it kills their own message
    and works against them. This CHAZ^wCHOP thing is really the best/worst example of how much lack of thought there is to some of the actions.
    And how bad Seattle/WA is in terms of politics and leaning.

    And the latest from one of the "CHOP" organizers:
    "Every day that I show up here, I'm not here to peacefully protest," Grayson told the "U.N. Me" filmmaker. "I'm here to disrupt until my demands are met," Grayson continued. "You cannot rebuild until you break it all the way down." Grayson said that they will not stop until their demands are met "by any means necessary." "It's not a slogan. It's not even a warning," Grayson said. "I'm letting people know what comes next."
    "If the Seattle Police Department turns in their badges, we'll have made a move forward," Grayson said. Grayson, who identified herself as "an African brought to America," commended Horowitz. "I don't understand why more journalists are not asking those questions. We run to black people the minute that they're killed and we have been seeing them be killed for so long that the PTSD from that is unbelievable. You have people still b--ching about 9/11, unbelievable. One act of terror."

    "If there's no change, there might be a lot more destroying until there is!" a hooded man wearing sunglasses and a black face cover, told him, "but I think some destruction and looting kinda sends the message to people and breaking their s--t is justified."

    Another said, "'F--k the property. f--k the consumption, f--k capitalism." A woman then said, "white people owned slaves so f--k them."

    One protester told him "a super devout Christian guy came here and he was spouting about God is glory, he hates homosexuals, he hates abortion. He was sitting there, you know, spreading very divisive words and he was allowed to do it. Nobody hit him. He didn't get tackled to the ground."

    A bystander can be heard replying, "That Christian guy did get tackled. They had him on the ground choking him out."

    ....and there we have it. Time to end this. They also claim even if Trump sends in the military, they are ready for them.




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  • From Arelor@PALANT to Dennisk on Wed Jun 17 12:59:40 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:41 pm

    A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a
    very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie mak
    probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed r
    people should be considered white. Now, it is the opposite. People who are a smal
    fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trou
    for pointing out that some of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wr
    articles questining why people who would look white would be motivated to identify
    Aboriginal.

    I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group or to another,
    without asking them how they feel about it. I mean, people should be considered to
    belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician
    wants them to be in.

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  • From Minex@TDOD to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 09:16:25 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Al on Mon Jun 15 2020 09:18 am

    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by no means tell rioters to stop.

    I completely agree. The sad thing, though, is that destroying peoples property appears to be working when it comes to forcing change.

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  • From Arelor@PALANT to Thumper on Wed Jun 17 16:31:45 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Thumper to Tracker1 on Wed Jun 17 2020 09:12 am

    ....and there we have it. Time to end this. They also claim even if Trump sends in the military, they are ready for them.

    If Trump sends the military, he gets called a dictator.

    If he doesn't, he gets accused of not acting against the threat.

    I would not like to be Trump.

    I am not following things very closely, but as far as I understand, most trouble is happening in places where the local government is anti-trump. If
    I were Trump I would just declare "I am sending federal boots if local governments ask for help, not if they claim they have it under control."
    That way, if a city gets burned to the ground Trump can sell it as a failure from local authorities to ask for help; if he sends the tanks in, he can say local authorities requested them. I know I am a bad cynic evil person, but
    the idea of letting a place that is not going to support me in any case burn
    to rubble because they are too proud to ask for my help does not sound too
    bad.


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  • From Tracker1@TRN to Arelor on Wed Jun 17 15:50:14 2020
    On 6/17/2020 2:31 PM, Arelor wrote:
    If I were Trump I would just declare "I am sending federal boots if local governments ask for help, not if they claim they have it under control."

    That's pretty much how it's worked out so far... exception being to D.C. itself.

    That way, if a city gets burned to the ground Trump can sell it as a failure from local authorities to ask for help; if he sends the tanks in, he can say local authorities requested them. I know I am a bad cynic evil person, but the idea of letting a place that is not going to support me in any case burn to rubble because they are too proud to ask for my help does not sound too bad.

    I don't think Tanks are appropriate for domestic use by government, full
    stop.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Wed Jun 17 22:22:38 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Mon Jun 15 2020 04:26 pm

    They keep saying their not going to let up till they get what they want. What do they want?? Their demanding that people "like" them and treat them special. They want their own State, their own police? fine. Give it to them. Give them whatever they want but their never going to make me like them. I'll treat them with respect and be polite to them. But I will never like them. When they go to far and the Army and National guard are called in to clean up their mess they will still by crying. It's never going to be enough for them. I've been hearing this crap since the late 60's and 70's and I've had enough of it! But that's just me I guess.

    As much as I disagree with your views on... race, I really think its insane right now - these people ARE getting EXACTLY what they're demanding. And that is scary to me...

    Imagine the precedent thats being set right now... BLM is changing America more than anything in recent history... I think in this digital day and age, once other groups of people see what got them their demands; they'll push for things too...

    I think its insane that we just buckled and gave in to demands of people through their violence. (And I'm not talking about the police.)

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to Dennisk on Wed Jun 17 22:26:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to paulie420 on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:37 pm

    I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against
    black Americans... its more police violence against a social
    class... or an attitude-class;

    meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into
    people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to
    protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make
    sure they came home at night.

    Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police
    force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about
    cops
    killing black people; its about cops killing people.

    Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American model.
    Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.

    Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly and in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.

    I agree with you - it angers me that just 3 months ago, our doctors nurses and first responders were literally seen trying to take on coronavirus in GARBAGE BAGS, while the police force had on thousands of dollars of riot gear and weapons to use again the public. Crazy man....

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  • From Arelor@PALANT to paulie420 on Thu Jun 18 02:43:30 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: paulie420 to HusTler on Wed Jun 17 2020 10:22 pm

    I think its insane that we just buckled and gave in to demands of people through th
    violence. (And I'm not talking about the police.)

    It looks to me like the authorities were eager to comply in the first place. Which is
    why it looks like an organized set of events from some group designed to push a political agenda.

    Try doing the same in the Philippines and see what happens.

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  • From Gamgee@PALANT to paulie420 on Thu Jun 18 08:16:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-

    I agree with you - it angers me that just 3 months ago, our
    doctors nurses and first responders were literally seen trying to
    take on coronavirus in GARBAGE BAGS, while the police force had
    on thousands of dollars of riot gear and weapons to use again the
    public. Crazy man....

    Apples and oranges. The police already had all that gear, and the
    reason doctors/nurses didn't have enough PPE was because of the
    sudden and overwhelming demand for such things. Not a fair
    comparison.


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  • From Dr. What@TWODUDES to Arelor on Thu Jun 18 10:03:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-

    I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group
    or to another, without asking them how they feel about it. I mean,
    people should be considered to belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician wants them to be in.

    Welcome to the world of identity politics.

    **You** and what you think don't matter. Your stand is defined only by the group(s) that you are in.

    Interestingly, this is very Hollywood. I lamented that we haven't seen a good G Rated movie in decades. That's because Hollywood long ago decided to separate the population into groups and create movies that targeted only those groups.


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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Dennisk on Thu Jun 18 09:55:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to paulie420 on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:37 pm

    paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am

    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed huma trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about assert power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;

    meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home at night.

    Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.

    Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American mod
    Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.

    Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly a in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.


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    Police start out as members of the community, however I get the impression after being exposed to the negative side of society for a given amount of
    time along with requiring a certain amount of awareness and distrust in order to do the job contributes to the notion of conspiracy against the public.

    I could never be a police officer because of those factors. I could not roll up to a house where there were reports of domestic abuse, and find a wife and children that appear to be abused heavily. Not sure I could keep it calm and stay impartial when questioning the husband.

    Any time an officer pulls over a car, they risk the chance of getting killed.
    How do you tell the difference between someone who is nervous because they have never been pulled over before, or the guy whio is nervous because he was fleeing from a robbery? maybe he nervous because of the dead bodies in the trunk?

    I knew an officer who arrived at a call where the clerk at a gas staton reported a shoplifter, but could not leave the store to stop the guy from walking away. When he arrived, the suspect was still on site in the parking lot, acting strange and was hiding something in his jacket. He ordered the
    guy to show him both of his hands, and in one hand he saw the flash of something shiny in the hand he had inside the jacket. Fearing for his life,
    he drew his gun and shot the guy from 60 feet away. The guy had an aluminum can of beer in his hand. The officer was cleared of any wrong doing, since
    the witness at the scene also said it looked like he was pulling a weapon in the dimly lit area.

    After an encounter like that, I doubt I could react quick like that if my
    life depended on it. When a fraction of a second counts, there's no room
    for weighing all the outcomes. I guess it boils down to reading body language and reading the tension in the situation.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Dennisk on Thu Jun 18 10:13:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:41 pm


    A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie makers probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed race people should be considered white. Now, it is opposite. People who are a small fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trouble for pointing out that so of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wrote articles questin why people who would look white would be motivated to identify as Aboriginal

    That is one of the ideological topics where you are kind of required to foll the orthodoxy, so I won't comment further.



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    Interesting. In the US we have some situations where people claim to be an ethnicity there are not in order to gain some sort of benefit or attention to their advantage. Due to treaties that pre-date US law, Native Americans are given some special treament or lee way in certain situations, and the major tr ibes try to keep as best records as possible to track lineage and record who
    is considered a member of their tribes. I had a friend who was 1/8th Native Amercian (not sure which tribe) and he could've received scholarships based
    on his heritage. For some reason he wasn't documented properly, and was
    turned down. Even though he was 1/8 Native American, his skin and prominent facial features were definitely Native American. It's sort of sad because
    I've seen others who look like generic white folk who get get percentage
    checks from being tribe members because of the local tribal casino.

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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Minex on Thu Jun 18 10:41:00 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Minex to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 09:16 am

    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Al on Mon Jun 15 2020 09:18 am

    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to "self police" themselves and boot out the bad apples, while peaceful protesters will by means tell rioters to stop.

    I completely agree. The sad thing, though, is that destroying peoples prope appears to be working when it comes to forcing change.

    The Dawn of Demise BBS (tdod.org)

    I doubt the perosn who lost their car or business is going to suddenly be
    more sympathetic for whoever trashed their stuff.

    This isn't the 1960's. If you want people to hear you, you have to find what make sparks and brings forth sympathy and wareness rather than random damage.
    I can remember what is on a Big Mac because of a silly advertising jingle
    fro 40 years ago. I'm sure there's a way to sell awareness and societal
    change without looking like a bunch of savages and petulent children.

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Thu Jun 18 13:49:00 2020
    I don't think Tanks are appropriate for domestic use by government, full stop.

    When it comes to water cannon "tanks," I disagree. They should have pulled those out after a few days in many of these cities. Louisville, KY, let
    things go on and on and now they have lost control. The first night got violent. By the 3rd or 4th, things got peaceful. Most of the peaceful protesters have gone back to their daily lives and left a bunch who has
    been blocking streets every morning, throwing bricks and cinderblocks at (and pulling guns on) random passersby, and trying to carjack people.

    Blow them out of the street a time or two with one of those they will learn their lesson.


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  • From Vk3jed@FREEWAY to Dennisk on Fri Jun 19 12:54:00 2020
    On 06-17-20 20:37, Dennisk wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the
    American model.

    Yeah, and that's one thing that is frustrating. The American model is one of the worst for many aspects of life, including policing

    Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and
    just distances police from their community.

    Agreed.

    Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the

    No argument from me there.

    protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point
    (albeit very poorly and in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be
    us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.

    Sadly, that's true in many areas. I much prefer to see police as people who serve the community. I get to see a slightly different perspective of police due to my involvements in emergency service work - While for most of the time, the police are a community service (or supposed to be), during emergencies, they police are colleagues - sometimes in charge (e.g. at motor collisions or when calling us to support on a crime scene), or sometimes working under our direction, such as during a fire.

    Who's in charge (as in what agency) at a job is clearly spelled out in the state's emergency management plans.


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  • From Vk3jed@FREEWAY to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 12:55:00 2020
    On 06-17-20 12:59, Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-

    I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group
    or to another, without asking them how they feel about it. I mean,
    people should be considered to belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician wants them to be in.

    That would be too easy. :)


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  • From Dennisk@MINDSEYE to Moondog on Fri Jun 19 20:26:00 2020
    Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to paulie420 on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:37 pm

    paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Thu Jun 11 2020 09:30 am

    I don't think the problem is Black people. The problem is identity politics. Antagonism between different groups of people is a fixed huma trait, and from what I see here in Australia, a lot of this protest appears to be a power struggle. A lot of what humans do is about assert power and dominance. This is starting in other Western countries too.

    I also don't think the problem is [only] police violence against black Americans... its more police violence against a social class... or an attitude-class;

    meaning, we send cops into these gang infested areas.. or into people who held an I hate police attitude... and we wanted to protect them. So we gave them the ability to act strongly and make sure they came home at night.

    Its out of hand... we need to change what we WANT out of a police force... take away their ability to use such force. It isn't about cops killing black people; its about cops killing people.

    Well said. In Australia, politicians are wanting to follow the American mod
    Cops in darker uniforms, with bigger guns. It's not necessary, and just distances police from their community.

    Police must be seen as THE community. In this sense, I think the protestors who want to defund the police are making a valid point (albeit very poorly a in an extreme way). Our enforcers should be us, people of our community to protect and serve us. It doesn't appear that way now.


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    Police start out as members of the community, however I get the
    impression after being exposed to the negative side of society for a
    given amount of time along with requiring a certain amount of awareness and distrust in order to do the job contributes to the notion of conspiracy against the public.

    I could never be a police officer because of those factors. I could
    not roll up to a house where there were reports of domestic abuse, and find a wife and children that appear to be abused heavily. Not sure I could keep it calm and stay impartial when questioning the husband.

    Any time an officer pulls over a car, they risk the chance of getting killed.
    How do you tell the difference between someone who is nervous because they have never been pulled over before, or the guy whio is nervous because he was fleeing from a robbery? maybe he nervous because of the dead bodies in the trunk?

    I knew an officer who arrived at a call where the clerk at a gas staton reported a shoplifter, but could not leave the store to stop the guy
    from walking away. When he arrived, the suspect was still on site in
    the parking lot, acting strange and was hiding something in his jacket.
    He ordered the guy to show him both of his hands, and in one hand he
    saw the flash of something shiny in the hand he had inside the jacket. Fearing for his life, he drew his gun and shot the guy from 60 feet
    away. The guy had an aluminum can of beer in his hand. The officer
    was cleared of any wrong doing, since the witness at the scene also
    said it looked like he was pulling a weapon in the dimly lit area.

    After an encounter like that, I doubt I could react quick like that if
    my life depended on it. When a fraction of a second counts, there's no room for weighing all the outcomes. I guess it boils down to reading
    body language and reading the tension in the situation.

    You are right. The paradox is that the worse the area is, the more negatively the cops will respond. It is a positive feedback loop. Nevertheless, speaking specifically of Melbourne, where I am, the change in uniform and extra armaments are not necessary, and I think is in part of people wanting to appear like the "big cities". (Australia has an inferiority complex).


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  • From Dennisk@MINDSEYE to Moondog on Fri Jun 19 20:32:00 2020
    Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Dennisk to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:41 pm


    A lot of movie makers in Australia are quite "left" leaning, and often come from a very specific social viewpoint. We are a small country, so most of these movie makers probably all know each other. In the past yes, there was this thought that mixed race people should be considered white. Now, it is opposite. People who are a small fraction Aboriginal are considered Aboriginal. In fact, one columnist got into trouble for pointing out that so of these Aboriginals look just like white people. He wrote articles questin why people who would look white would be motivated to identify as Aboriginal

    That is one of the ideological topics where you are kind of required to foll the orthodoxy, so I won't comment further.



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    Interesting. In the US we have some situations where people claim to
    be an ethnicity there are not in order to gain some sort of benefit or attention to their advantage. Due to treaties that pre-date US law, Native Americans are given some special treament or lee way in certain situations, and the major tr ibes try to keep as best records as
    possible to track lineage and record who is considered a member of
    their tribes. I had a friend who was 1/8th Native Amercian (not sure which tribe) and he could've received scholarships based on his
    heritage. For some reason he wasn't documented properly, and was
    turned down. Even though he was 1/8 Native American, his skin and prominent facial features were definitely Native American. It's sort
    of sad because I've seen others who look like generic white folk who
    get get percentage checks from being tribe members because of the local tribal casino.

    The same situation exists here. People who are of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander heritage are able to claim some benefits and advantages not available to anyone else. This columnist would have been no doubt hinting that this is perhaps the prime motivating factor for making such claims. You constantly see white people claiming 1/8th, 1/16th or so non-white ancestry, but rarely the other way around.

    It is hard to square this circle with the idea of 'white privilege' and non discrimination. It is a very confused situation, because these advantages are supposedly to correct for past injustice, but if you are 7/8ths white, then surely you are far more influenced by your white ancestry than the non-white section.

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  • From HusTler@HAVENS to Moondog on Fri Jun 19 09:40:46 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Moondog to Minex on Thu Jun 18 2020 10:41 am

    Indeed. Destroying cars and people's property is the worst way to
    send a message. I think it's odd how peopole want the police to

    I completely agree. The sad thing, though, is that destroying peoples
    prope appears to be working when it comes to forcing change.

    We have "Another WAY" It's called Government and the power comes from the voters (The People). Half of the US citizens don't understand how the US Government works. People think if they vote for the President that's all they need to do. Well wake up kids. That's not how it works. It starts with your local Assemblymen, then State Senators. Those guys make the laws. Then the President either signs them or Vetos (Don't sign them) them. If your Congress and Sentors don't create the laws you want, then nothing you want will ever happen. Burning down buildings and fighting with Cops will do nothing but land you in Prison. Then nodody hears from you. Other then when you're screaming while Bubba has is dick up your Ass.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to HusTler on Fri Jun 19 16:56:00 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Fri Jun 19 2020 09:40 am


    I completely agree. The sad thing, though, is that destroying peoples
    prope appears to be working when it comes to forcing change.

    We have "Another WAY" It's called Government and the power comes from the voters (The People). Half of the US citizens don't understand how the US


    seriously if they just took all the money donated to blm and gave it to the politicians like big pharma does, blm can control and punish legislators and have them do whatever they ask.
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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Jun 19 16:04:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 2020 12:55 pm

    On 06-17-20 12:59, Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-

    I love how people considers other people to belong to a certain group or to another, without asking them how they feel about it. I mean, people should be considered to belong to the ethnic group they identify with. Not with the group some politician wants them to be in.

    That would be too easy. :)


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    I worked with a dude from South Africa, and his heritage was English and
    Dutch. His family had been in South Africa since the early 1800's. When he would fill out ethnicity on forms, he would claim he was African. When he gained his US citizenship, he would claim himself as being African American. Whenever the company would give us paper work to fill out because of a new in surance plan or other benefit, the HR department (especially the black lady
    in HR) would argue with him saying he is not African American. He would proceed to tell her he can probably document his family back further than she can to Africa since he is a first generation American, then she would really get pissed off.

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  • From paulie420@PAULIE42 to HusTler on Fri Jun 19 18:19:22 2020
    Re: Demonstrations?
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Fri Jun 19 2020 09:40 am

    We have "Another WAY" It's called Government and the power comes from the voters (The People). Half of the US citizens don't understand how the US Government works. People think if they vote for the President that's all they need to do. Well wake up kids. That's not how it works. It starts with your local Assemblymen, then State Senators. Those guys make the laws. Then the President either signs them or Vetos (Don't sign them) them. If your Congress and Sentors don't create the laws you want, then nothing you want will ever happen. Burning down buildings and fighting with Cops will do nothing but land you in Prison. Then nodody hears from you. Other then when you're screaming while Bubba has is dick up your Ass.

    Yea, unless its 2020 and you're BLM. Then, the fed just folds and gives you whatever you want... oh, and have Seattle too... lovefest 2020.

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  • From Vk3jed@FREEWAY to Moondog on Sat Jun 20 16:23:00 2020
    On 06-19-20 16:04, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I worked with a dude from South Africa, and his heritage was English
    and Dutch. His family had been in South Africa since the early 1800's.
    When he would fill out ethnicity on forms, he would claim he was

    That sounds like a problem with the ethnic classifications.


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  • From Moondog@CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Sat Jun 20 09:40:00 2020
    Re: Re: Demonstrations?
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Sat Jun 20 2020 04:23 pm

    On 06-19-20 16:04, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I worked with a dude from South Africa, and his heritage was English and Dutch. His family had been in South Africa since the early 1800's.
    When he would fill out ethnicity on forms, he would claim he was

    That sounds like a problem with the ethnic classifications.


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    It is a problem, and he was trying to prove how it made little sense outside the US.

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  • From Vk3jed@FREEWAY to Moondog on Sun Jun 21 19:08:00 2020
    On 06-20-20 09:40, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It is a problem, and he was trying to prove how it made little sense outside the US.

    That makes sense too. :)


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