• Insurers to test chip implant

    From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to All on Tue Jul 18 00:40:34 2006
    Insurers to Test Implantable Microchip

    By THERESA AGOVINO
    ASSOCIATED PRESS

    NEW YORK (AP) - In a new test program, Horizon Blue Cross and Blue
    Shield of New Jersey plans to implant patients suffering from chronic
    diseases with a microchip that will give emergency room staff access
    to their medical information and help avoid costly or serious medical
    errors, the insurer said on Friday.

    Horizon plans to announce on Monday that it is teaming up with
    Hackensack University Medical Center in a pilot program where 280
    patients regularly treated at the hospital will be implanted with a
    chip containing a code. The chip would allow emergency room personnel
    to retrieve a patient's medical record if the individual can't
    communicate.

    The rice-sized microchip is implanted in a patient's right arm above
    the elbow and can be detected using equipment at the hospital.

    The hope is that the chips will help doctors avoid medical errors like duplicating medical tests, dangerous drug interactions and bad
    diagnoses.

    Within the next 30 days, Horizon will start sending letters to
    patients with chronic diseases explaining the new program and
    inviting them to participate. The program is voluntary and won't
    cost the patient any money to participate.

    Patients with chronic conditions are the program's target because they
    are more likely to have serious medical problems that could leave them
    unable to communicate when they are at the emergency room, said Dr.
    Richard Popiel, vice president and chief medical officer at Horizon.
    For example, diabetics with low blood sugar may become confused or
    unconscious.

    He said Horizon will test the program for two years to see if it
    warrants expansion.

    VeriChip Corp. makes the chips and detection equipment. Hackensack
    already had the equipment because it was part of VeriChip's
    development program.

    -=<*>=-

    Source: Raiders News Updates .... http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story158.htm


    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Tue Jul 18 20:40:55 2006
    Posting this in this echo implies you don't believe there can be ANY
    benign or positive application of this technology. . .

    Is that so?

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


    On (17 Jul 06) Steve Asher wrote to All...

    Insurers to Test Implantable Microchip

    By THERESA AGOVINO
    ASSOCIATED PRESS

    NEW YORK (AP) - In a new test program, Horizon Blue Cross and Blue
    Shield of New Jersey plans to implant patients suffering from chronic diseases with a microchip that will give emergency room staff access
    to their medical information and help avoid costly or serious medical errors, the insurer said on Friday.

    Horizon plans to announce on Monday that it is teaming up with
    Hackensack University Medical Center in a pilot program where 280
    patients regularly treated at the hospital will be implanted with a
    chip containing a code. The chip would allow emergency room personnel
    to retrieve a patient's medical record if the individual can't communicate.

    The rice-sized microchip is implanted in a patient's right arm above
    the elbow and can be detected using equipment at the hospital.

    The hope is that the chips will help doctors avoid medical errors like duplicating medical tests, dangerous drug interactions and bad
    diagnoses.

    Within the next 30 days, Horizon will start sending letters to
    patients with chronic diseases explaining the new program and
    inviting them to participate. The program is voluntary and won't
    cost the patient any money to participate.

    Patients with chronic conditions are the program's target because they
    are more likely to have serious medical problems that could leave them unable to communicate when they are at the emergency room, said Dr. Richard Popiel, vice president and chief medical officer at Horizon.
    For example, diabetics with low blood sugar may become confused or unconscious.

    He said Horizon will test the program for two years to see if it
    warrants expansion.

    VeriChip Corp. makes the chips and detection equipment. Hackensack
    already had the equipment because it was part of VeriChip's
    development program.

    -=<*>=-

    Source: Raiders News Updates .... http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story158.htm


    Cheers, Steve..

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    153/715


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  • From Bob Ackley@1:2905/3 to Steve Asher on Tue Jul 18 07:08:56 2006
    The rice-sized microchip is implanted in a patient's right arm above
    the elbow and can be detected using equipment at the hospital.

    Should be implanted on the inside of the upper left arm. Right where those tattoos were placed something over half a century ago.

    --- FleetStreet 1.19+
    * Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:2905/3)
  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Wed Jul 19 23:05:39 2006
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 18 Jul 2006

    Posting this in this echo implies you don't believe there can be
    ANY benign or positive application of this technology. . .

    Is that so?

    You are free to infer whatever you wish from any post in this echo (or
    any other echo, or source).

    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to Bob Ackley on Wed Jul 19 23:09:04 2006
    Mulling over Bob Ackley to Steve Asher 18 Jul 2006

    The rice-sized microchip is implanted in a patient's right arm above
    the elbow and can be detected using equipment at the hospital.

    Should be implanted on the inside of the upper left arm. Right
    where those tattoos were placed something over half a century ago.

    They might put the implant in the left arm, for those who have no right
    arm. For the moment, it is just the nanny state at work seeking to "protect
    the vulnerable"; before long it can expand into a means of identification
    and control of [ illegal immigrants / terror suspects / access to secure facilities / kidnap "prevention" / school lunches and libraries / voting / purchasing etc ] and ultimately everyone.

    Cheers, Steve..

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:2905/3 to George Pope on Wed Jul 19 07:44:34 2006
    Replying to a message of George Pope to Steve Asher:

    Posting this in this echo implies you don't believe there can be ANY benign or positive application of this technology. . .

    Is that so?

    Not WRT people. Those who need or want to carry such ID can do so on a chain around their neck. I have a major problem with chipping infants (and that's what's
    coming) shortly after birth and using that chip to keep track of them throughout their
    life. Right now it's voluntary. Before much more time passes it will become mandatory as the government encourages employers and businesses (especially banks,
    which are directly under federal supervision) to use them to ID employees and customers.

    Right now the technology exists - and is used - to ID every single product item
    in
    commerce, down to individual cans of vegetables or soda pop. Not just the ubiquitous bar code that identifies the manufacturer and the product but a chip
    that
    identifies the specific item - even if there are millions of them made.

    A bank robber in Omaha was recently caught using this RFID technology. Seems he
    wrote his note on a scrap of a cardboard product box and left it at the bank. That
    scrap had the tiny spy chip in it and the police used it to find (a) the manufacturer,
    (b) when and where it was manufactured and where it went from the maker, and (c)
    the store the item was sold in. Then they went to the store, reviewed its computer
    records and found the specific date and time - to the second - that the product was sold and on which register. From there they reviewed the store's security camera
    records and got a picture of the robber, which the bank tellers were able to recognize
    despite the diguise he'd used at the bank. The whole process took only a couple of hours.
    Had he used a check or credit card to pay for the merchandise they could have been
    waiting at his house for him to come home.

    --- FleetStreet 1.19+
    * Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:2905/3)
  • From Bob Ackley@1:2905/3 to Steve Asher on Thu Jul 20 08:42:54 2006
    Replying to a message of Steve Asher to Bob Ackley:

    Mulling over Bob Ackley to Steve Asher 18 Jul 2006

    The rice-sized microchip is implanted in a patient's right arm above
    the elbow and can be detected using equipment at the hospital.

    Should be implanted on the inside of the upper left arm. Right
    where those tattoos were placed something over half a century ago.

    They might put the implant in the left arm, for those who have no
    right arm. For the moment, it is just the nanny state at work seeking
    to "protect the vulnerable"; before long it can expand into a means
    of identification and control of [ illegal immigrants / terror
    suspects / access to secure facilities / kidnap "prevention" / school lunches and libraries / voting / purchasing etc ] and ultimately
    everyone.

    You missed the point about where the Nazis tattooed id numbers on their concentration
    camp inmates ...

    --- FleetStreet 1.19+
    * Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:2905/3)
  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Thu Jul 20 08:05:08 2006
    On (19 Jul 06) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 18 Jul 2006

    Posting this in this echo implies you don't believe there can be
    ANY benign or positive application of this technology. . .

    Is that so?

    You are free to infer whatever you wish from any post in this echo (or
    any other echo, or source).

    I prefer to hear the actual facts from the person himself, not infer
    anything that would have too muh chance of being in error (as I don't
    have the benefit of hearing YOUR view on it!)

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


    --- PPoint 1.76
    * Origin: Cyberpope pointing via Bandmaster BBS! (1:153/715.1275)
  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Bob Ackley on Thu Jul 20 08:07:31 2006
    So, WRT that robber, sounds like the technology was used fairly & well
    indeed, don't you think so?

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


    On (19 Jul 06) Bob Ackley wrote to George Pope...

    Replying to a message of George Pope to Steve Asher:

    Posting this in this echo implies you don't believe there can be
    ANY
    benign or positive application of this technology. . .

    Is that so?

    Not WRT people. Those who need or want to carry such ID can do so on
    a chain
    around their neck. I have a major problem with chipping infants (and that's what's
    coming) shortly after birth and using that chip to keep track of them throughout their
    life. Right now it's voluntary. Before much more time passes it will become
    mandatory as the government encourages employers and businesses (especially banks,
    which are directly under federal supervision) to use them to ID
    employees and
    customers.

    Right now the technology exists - and is used - to ID every single
    product item in
    commerce, down to individual cans of vegetables or soda pop. Not just
    the
    ubiquitous bar code that identifies the manufacturer and the product
    but a chip that
    identifies the specific item - even if there are millions of them
    made.

    A bank robber in Omaha was recently caught using this RFID technology.
    Seems he
    wrote his note on a scrap of a cardboard product box and left it at
    the bank. That
    scrap had the tiny spy chip in it and the police used it to find (a)
    the manufacturer,
    (b) when and where it was manufactured and where it went from the
    maker, and (c)
    the store the item was sold in. Then they went to the store, reviewed
    its computer
    records and found the specific date and time - to the second - that
    the product
    was sold and on which register. From there they reviewed the store's security camera
    records and got a picture of the robber, which the bank tellers were
    able to recognize
    despite the diguise he'd used at the bank. The whole process took
    only a couple of hours.
    Had he used a check or credit card to pay for the merchandise they
    could have been
    waiting at his house for him to come home.

    --- FleetStreet 1.19+
    * Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:2905/3)


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    * Origin: Cyberpope pointing via Bandmaster BBS! (1:153/715.1275)
  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Mon Jul 24 21:58:03 2006
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 20 Jul 2006

    On (19 Jul 06) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 18 Jul 2006

    Posting this in this echo implies you don't believe there can be
    ANY benign or positive application of this technology. . .

    Is that so?

    You are free to infer whatever you wish from any post in this echo (or
    any other echo, or source).

    I prefer to hear the actual facts from the person himself, not
    infer anything that would have too muh chance of being in error (as
    I don't have the benefit of hearing YOUR view on it!)

    Read your opening sentence ... you have inferred that I don't believe
    there can be ANY benign or positive application (etc). I have no idea
    why you would infer that (or why "this" [my post] implies that which
    you have inferred), but you are free to do so.

    Cheers, Steve..

    ---
    * Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.thebbs.org (3:800/432)
  • From Bob Ackley@1:2905/3 to George Pope on Tue Jul 25 05:13:20 2006
    Replying to a message of George Pope to Bob Ackley:

    So, WRT that robber, sounds like the technology was used fairly & well indeed, don't you think so?

    It was not, IMO, *mis*-used. Every technology that has ever been invented
    and every government program that has ever been concocted has grown wildly beyond the original stated goals or justification.

    --- FleetStreet 1.19+
    * Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:2905/3)