• Human Sacrifices 4 Biden

    From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to All on Wed Dec 18 16:41:30 2019
    While listening to the house Dems cry about Trump's technicality all day, I can't help but to notice that they all seem to love Joe Biden so much that
    they would rather turn the whole country upside down rather than see Joe
    Biden investigated. What are they hiding? Are they all on the Biden payroll?

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to aaron thomas on Fri Dec 20 18:22:00 2019
    aaron thomas wrote to All <=-

    While listening to the house Dems cry about Trump's technicality all
    day, I can't help but to notice that they all seem to love Joe Biden so much that they would rather turn the whole country upside down rather
    than see Joe Biden investigated. What are they hiding? Are they all on
    the Biden payroll?

    They know that Joe can't keep his mouth shut. If he gets charged, he'll probably sing like a bird to get a better deal.

    And it will be far harder for Joe to "commit suicide".


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Ron Lauzon on Sat Dec 21 02:50:44 2019
    They know that Joe can't keep his mouth shut. If he gets charged, he'll probably sing like a bird to get a better deal.

    I wonder if Joe likes to talk about Orgy Island? Someone should get him
    started on that subject one day while Bill Clinton & Bill Richardson are in
    the room :)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sun Dec 22 19:07:48 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    While listening to the house Dems cry about Trump's technicality all day, I >can't help but to notice that they all seem to love Joe Biden so much that >they would rather turn the whole country upside down rather than see Joe >Biden investigated. What are they hiding? Are they all on the Biden payroll?

    You're right.

    Republicans have the power to do anything they want.

    So what is keeping the Republican president from doing so?
    What is keeping the Republican AG from doing so?
    What is keeping the director of the FBI, who reports to the AG,
    from doing so?
    What is keeping Moscow Mitch from having the Republican Senate
    from issuing subpoena after subpoena to each of the Bidens?

    Oh, I get it.

    Republicans have nothing on Joe Biden.
    Republicans have nothing on Hunter Biden.

    When you have the law, argue the law.
    When you have the facts, argue the facts.
    When you have none, just argue.

    That seems to be the Republicans' modus operandi.

    Talking points. As directed by Russia.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 22 18:58:45 2019
    On 22 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Aaron,

    While listening to the house Dems cry about Trump's technicality all day, >can't help but to notice that they all seem to love Joe Biden so much tha >they would rather turn the whole country upside down rather than see Joe >Biden investigated. What are they hiding? Are they all on the Biden payro

    You're right.

    Republicans have the power to do anything they want.

    So what is keeping the Republican president from doing so?
    What is keeping the Republican AG from doing so?
    What is keeping the director of the FBI, who reports to the AG,
    from doing so?
    What is keeping Moscow Mitch from having the Republican Senate
    from issuing subpoena after subpoena to each of the Bidens?

    Oh, I get it.

    Republicans have nothing on Joe Biden.
    Republicans have nothing on Hunter Biden.

    I would bet on that.
    The entire Nation knows about the Bidens.
    Hunter Biden on the board of Ukrainian has gas company,
    where he has NO knowledge of the gas and oil business and has no business.
    In China too, of where he knows nothing to earn the millions that he was getting there either.
    Joe Biden catches wind that his son in being investigated by a prosecutor, Joe Biden is on tape saying fire the prosecutor or else you don't the billion. "Son of a bitch don't ya know they fired the prosecutor.:)"


    When you have the law, argue the law.

    When you have the facts, argue the facts.

    You do realize that if Hillary won, non of this would ever been recovered.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 22 20:16:21 2019
    Republicans have nothing on Joe Biden.
    Republicans have nothing on Hunter Biden.

    Maybe it's just that nobody really cares about Biden corruption, because it's not hurting America. I can live with that.

    But Democrats have nothing on Trump either. The only thing he's guilty of is not being an autopilot president, and he's been obstructing liberal handouts. When you injure the hand that gives handouts, you injure their election prospects at the same time.

    But for the Bidens to kick Ukraine while it's down is repulsive. It seems
    like that's what humans are devolving into - cold hearted and greedy. Take everything you can & give as little as possible.

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  • From Will Milberger@1:106/101 to Ron Lauzon on Mon Dec 23 11:38:00 2019
    Re: Human Sacrifices 4 Biden
    By: Ron Lauzon to aaron thomas on Fri Dec 20 2019 06:22 pm

    And it will be far harder for Joe to "commit suicide".

    But not die of a sudden "stroke" or "heart attack"

    Grease
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 23 12:05:44 2019
    don't the billion. "Son of a bitch don't ya know they fired the prosecutor.:)"

    Does that "sound presidential" to you? :)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 23 21:13:33 2019
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    Oh, I get it.

    Republicans have nothing on Joe Biden.
    Republicans have nothing on Hunter Biden.

    I would bet on that.
    The entire Nation knows about the Bidens.
    Hunter Biden on the board of Ukrainian has gas company,
    where he has NO knowledge of the gas and oil business and has no business.
    In China too, of where he knows nothing to earn the millions that he was >getting there either.
    Joe Biden catches wind that his son in being investigated by a prosecutor,
    Joe Biden is on tape saying fire the prosecutor or else you don't the billion. "Son of a bitch don't ya know they fired the prosecutor.:)"

    When you have the law, argue the law.

    When you have the facts, argue the facts.

    You do realize that if Hillary won, non of this would ever been recovered.

    What tapes?

    If Hillary had been elected president, Hunter Biden would
    have been one of her top counsels, with Barista having to hire
    somebody else.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Mon Dec 23 21:13:38 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Republicans have nothing on Joe Biden.
    Republicans have nothing on Hunter Biden.

    Maybe it's just that nobody really cares about Biden corruption, because
    it's not hurting America. I can live with that.

    It's also not hurting Ukraine.
    Thanks to a whistleblower who blew the whistle.

    But Democrats have nothing on Trump either.

    I'm sure they have plenty on Trump. Whether it means anything
    remains to be seen. But they do have plenty of nothing.

    The only thing he's guilty of is not being an autopilot president, and he's
    been obstructing liberal handouts. When you injure the hand that gives handouts, you injure their election prospects at the same time.

    The Democrats cited no actual crimes in the two articles
    of impeachment. But his actions are impeachable offenses.
    That is their case. Whether enough Senators decide to
    convict and remove him from office remains to be seen.
    But those are the charges.

    But for the Bidens to kick Ukraine while it's down is repulsive.

    Hunter Biden was cleared of any wrongdoing by Ukraine.
    Joe Biden was never charged of any wrongdoing in Ukraine.
    Hunter is a lawyer, and has since resigned from the board
    of the comapany that hired him. Joe is too busy on the
    campaign trail to do business in Ukraine, or anywhere else.
    So rest easy. Neither of the Bidens are doing anything
    repulsive.

    It seems like that's what humans are devolving into - cold hearted and
    greedy.

    Being a lawyer is an honorable profession.

    Take everything you can & give as little as possible.

    Joe Biden is running to serve us.
    Donald Trump is running to serve himself.

    That is the difference between a lawyer and a businessman.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Dec 23 20:34:29 2019
    Joe Biden is running to serve us.
    Donald Trump is running to serve himself.

    That sounds backwards to me. Joe has a whole cemetery of skeletons in his closet, and he's a typical liberal who abused his power as VP. Let's elect
    him president now so he can resume the apology tour and pay other countries not to develop nukes.

    Let's throw Trump out on his ass because we don't need jobs or a strong economy. We need to ignore Asaad because he's not hurting liberals in the
    USA. We need to ignore Kim because we just aint really scared of nukes,
    because we're liberal with human life too. We need a guy who can promise to cure cancer and who's not afraid to tell Cory Booker that he talks pretty good for a black guy.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Will Milberger on Tue Dec 24 05:11:20 2019
    Hello Will,

    And it will be far harder for Joe to "commit suicide".

    But not die of a sudden "stroke" or "heart attack"

    There are some who say, or suggest, that FDR was poisoned
    at Hot Springs, having been a victim of Winston Churchill.
    Of course, his official cause of death was "stroke" rather
    than food/drink poisoning ...

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Dec 24 06:57:27 2019
    On 23 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    What tapes?

    um yeah that would be this one.
    https://tinyurl.com/rd43soj

    It is obvious, the prosecutor that was fired was investigating Hunter and the gas and oil company that Hunter was serving on the board on.

    If Hillary had been elected president, Hunter Biden would
    have been one of her top counsels, with Barista having to hire
    somebody else.

    That would be different how?
    What I mean is if he can get a gig to sit on a board of a gas and oil co.
    by Hunters own admission it is a subject that he knows nothing about,
    yet he is collecting millions.

    Joe Biden even says on the clip that I provided that he got Ukraine as one of the projects. "I get the best projects" said Joe.

    This is a colossal conflict of interest, when his son is serving on a board
    in the same country.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Tue Dec 24 21:54:59 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Joe Biden is running to serve us.
    Donald Trump is running to serve himself.

    That sounds backwards to me. Joe has a whole cemetery of skeletons in his
    closet, and he's a typical liberal who abused his power as VP. Let's elect him president now so he can resume the apology tour and pay other countries not to develop nukes.

    Seems to me the Trump administration is doing wonders keeping
    North Korea from developing nukes. As well as keeping Iran from
    building its own stockpile. Everybody knows the technology is
    available for any country that wishes to build it own nukes.

    President Obama made us safer in an unsafe world, and possibly
    from WWIII when the Russians invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed
    part of its country (Crimea). Sanctions were imposed on Russia,
    and Putin was angered beyond belief.

    What did Trump do in regards to Ukraine and Crimea? He wants
    to lift sanctions on Russia and invite them back into the fold,
    re-instating Russia as part of the G-8!

    That is what I call a fucking traitor. His campaign manager
    having been convicted and sentenced to prison, allowing Russia
    to interfere in our elections, and praising Vladimir Putin for
    a job well done!

    And that's not to mention what he did to the Kurds ...

    Let's throw Trump out on his ass because we don't need jobs or a strong
    economy.

    Oh, let's just have Trump grant the rich another huge tax cut ...

    We need to ignore Asaad because he's not hurting liberals in the
    USA.

    Oh, let's just let Assad poison another few million Syrians ...

    We need to ignore Kim because we just aint really scared of nukes,
    because we're liberal with human life too.

    Oh, let's be sure to have a new photo-op. If not for Christmas,
    then for sure in time for Easter!

    We need a guy who can promise to cure cancer and who's not afraid to tell
    Cory Booker that he talks pretty good for a black guy.

    Trump has promised the world the sun, the moon, and the stars.
    And what do any of his followers have to show for it?
    Empty promises. Nothing but empty promises. Don the Con
    has them all conned. Question is, when will they ever stop
    believing?

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Dec 24 21:27:57 2019
    Seems to me the Trump administration is doing wonders keeping
    North Korea from developing nukes. As well as keeping Iran from

    The US is doing more now that they have a president willing to communicate
    with the dictator. Obama and Bush wouldn't even try. Trump tried and failed, but at least he gave Kim the option of communication.

    having been convicted and sentenced to prison, allowing Russia
    to interfere in our elections, and praising Vladimir Putin for

    Isn't Obama the one who let Russia interfere with our election? Isn't that
    how Trump won?

    And that's not to mention what he did to the Kurds ...

    He did more for the USA than he did for the Kurds. If you want to protest for the rights of people who live outside the USA, then you and Pelosi could make
    a good team.

    Oh, let's just have Trump grant the rich another huge tax cut ...

    Did Trump grant the rich a tax cut? And the Senate signed off on it too?
    What else did you read in the National Enquirer?

    Oh, let's be sure to have a new photo-op. If not for Christmas,
    then for sure in time for Easter!

    Trump looks sexier than Obama in photos.

    Trump has promised the world the sun, the moon, and the stars.
    And what do any of his followers have to show for it?

    That strategy of trying to pretend that stuff doesn't exist isn't always
    going to work. How many times in the last 1000 messages have liberals asked that question, only to be bombarded with huge replies full of things that conservatives are thankful to Trump for?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Dec 25 00:55:00 2019
    On 12-24-19 06:57, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    It is obvious, the prosecutor that was fired was investigating Hunter
    and the gas and oil company that Hunter was serving on the board on.

    Nope -- the investigation of Burisa had been concluded and put on the
    shelf. Plus, Hunter Biden was not under investigation. That prosecutor
    was fired because he was corupt.

    If Hillary had been elected president, Hunter Biden would
    have been one of her top counsels, with Barista having to hire
    somebody else.

    That would be different how?
    What I mean is if he can get a gig to sit on a board of a gas and oil
    co. by Hunters own admission it is a subject that he knows nothing
    about, yet he is collecting millions.

    Hunter is a lawyer. Needs to know the law, not oil and gas.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Dec 25 08:20:10 2019
    On 25 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    It is obvious, the prosecutor that was fired was investigating Hunter and the gas and oil company that Hunter was serving on the board on.

    Nope -- the investigation of Burisa had been concluded and put on the shelf. Plus, Hunter Biden was not under investigation. That prosecutor was fired because he was corupt.

    Ukraine is the most corrupt place on the planet.

    Follow the money and it will lead to the truth.

    If the prosecutor was corrupt as you have suggested, then why was a billion dollars used in typical Quid Pro Quo fashion.
    This is not open for debate when there is video-graphic evidence of Joe Biden talking about what transpired.

    You can't change the time line of these events to evade responsibility for
    the Democratic Candidate for President.

    What if this was Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump Sr. the media would lose their minds, and would propel their political counterparts in the Democratic Party to call for a massive conflict of interest, and you know this....

    Hunter is a lawyer. Needs to know the law, not oil and gas.

    The fact that he knows nothing about the subject matter from the business
    that he was serving on, smells like corruption to me.

    He is a lawyer and needs to know the law. What law is it that you are
    referring to? His license to practice law is from the bar within the United States, it does not extend to laws outside of these United States where it would be equal to a prize at the bottom of a box of cracker jacks.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Dec 25 11:27:00 2019
    Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-

    Trump has promised the world the sun, the moon, and the stars.

    I don't recall any of those promises. Where can I see those?

    I can see many instances of where Dems promised things but never delivered.

    And what do any of his followers have to show for it?
    Empty promises. Nothing but empty promises. Don the Con
    has them all conned. Question is, when will they ever stop
    believing?

    Are you living in a hole or do you only get your "news" from CNN? Same thing really.
    Or do you just choose to ignore the prosperity that has come to the U.S. in only the last 3 years?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Dec 26 02:34:00 2019
    On 12-25-19 08:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    It is obvious, the prosecutor that was fired was
    investigating Hunter
    and the gas and oil company that Hunter was
    serving on the board on.

    Nope -- the investigation of Burisa had been concluded and put on the shelf. Plus, Hunter Biden was not under investigation. That prosecutor was fired because he was corupt.

    Ukraine is the most corrupt place on the planet.

    Follow the money and it will lead to the truth.

    Exactly. The possible withholding of the billion dollar loan guarentee
    was to get the corrupt procecutor fired. That was the truth then and it
    is still the truth, no matter how people try to spin it into something
    else.

    If the prosecutor was corrupt as you have suggested, then why was a billion dollars used in typical Quid Pro Quo fashion.

    To get him fired and to help clean up the Ukrainian corruption.

    This is not open for debate when there is video-graphic evidence of
    Joe Biden talking about what transpired.

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
    and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Dec 26 07:28:28 2019
    On 26 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-25-19 08:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    It is obvious, the prosecutor that was fired was
    investigating Hunter
    and the gas and oil company that Hunter was
    serving on the board on.

    Nope -- the investigation of Burisa had been concluded and put on the shelf. Plus, Hunter Biden was not under investigation. That prosecu was fired because he was corupt.

    Ukraine is the most corrupt place on the planet.

    Follow the money and it will lead to the truth.

    Exactly. The possible withholding of the billion dollar loan guarentee was to get the corrupt procecutor fired. That was the truth then and it is still the truth, no matter how people try to spin it into something else.

    If the prosecutor was corrupt as you have suggested, then why was a billion dollars used in typical Quid Pro Quo fashion.

    To get him fired and to help clean up the Ukrainian corruption.

    This is not open for debate when there is video-graphic evidence of Joe Biden talking about what transpired.

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
    and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

    You left out the part that talks about the prosecutor who was fired was investigating Hunter Biden and Burisa because the CEO of that company had direct ties to leadership with the country of Ukraine.

    You sound very much like the Wizard of Oz, the guy pulling levers, behind the curtain, proclaiming there is nothing to see here.

    What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened there. Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution that he must.

    That did not stop the Democrats, from impeaching the President based upon that inquiry, w/ what was said within the phone call with that nations leader.

    Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident crimes that are known but at the end of this impeachment there are no crimes that were committed by the President that would indicate the reason why he was
    impeached. No crimes what so ever.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thu Dec 26 23:01:33 2019
    Hello Dale,

    GD> It is obvious, the prosecutor that was fired was
    GD> investigating Hunter
    GD> and the gas and oil company that Hunter was
    GD> serving on the board on.

    DS> Nope -- the investigation of Burisa had been concluded and put on the
    DS> shelf. Plus, Hunter Biden was not under investigation. That prosecutor
    DS> was fired because he was corupt.

    GD> Ukraine is the most corrupt place on the planet.
    GD>
    GD> Follow the money and it will lead to the truth.

    Exactly. The possible withholding of the billion dollar loan guarentee
    was to get the corrupt procecutor fired. That was the truth then and it
    is still the truth, no matter how people try to spin it into something
    else.

    The current president of Ukraine was elected on an anti-corruption
    campaign. Not just him, but members of his party. Having a majority
    of his party in the legislature gives him lots of say.

    After the whistleblower made known what Trump had done, President
    Zelensky was widely criticized by his own supporters as being weak,
    and a lackey for Trump.

    But he is a quick learner. So do not expect him to do like
    Charlie Brown and try to kick the football being held again by
    Lucy von Pelt ...

    If the prosecutor was corrupt as you have suggested, then why was a >GD>billion dollars used in typical Quid Pro Quo fashion.

    To get him fired and to help clean up the Ukrainian corruption.

    Never seen a trap work without any cheese ...

    This is not open for debate when there is video-graphic evidence of
    Joe Biden talking about what transpired.

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
    and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our >allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

    If a foreign power frames an opponent of Donald Trump, that foreign
    power will be richly rewarded. Even if that foreign power is a hostile
    power, such as Iran, North Korea, China, or Ukraine. I mean, Russia
    is innocent, and would never do such a thing.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Dec 26 23:01:39 2019
    Hello Greg,

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what DS>happened
    and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US DS>Government and our allies. It was not done for any individual's DS>personal gain.

    You left out the part that talks about the prosecutor who was fired was
    investigating Hunter Biden and Burisa because the CEO of that company had direct ties to leadership with the country of Ukraine.

    No evidence of wrongdoing was found in regards to Hunter Biden.
    That was before the prosecutr had been fired. With no new evidence,
    there was nothing more to investigate, even after the prosecutor
    had been fired. See how that works? Hunter Biden had been cleared,
    having broken no Ukrainian laws.

    You sound very much like the Wizard of Oz, the guy pulling levers, behind
    the curtain, proclaiming there is nothing to see here.

    Dorothy did not have to step behind an iron curtain.

    Like the Emperor who wears no clothes, we can all see what he
    is wearing. The orange hair is not near long enough to cover up
    what is below. And his hands are way too small ...

    What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened there.
    Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution that he must.

    What the president did was a classic "shakedown" - akin to what
    mob bosses do. This is usually done with an intermediary, known
    as fixers. So, what we have here is Don the Con (mob boss) and
    his fixer (Rudy G) in action doing their thing.

    That did not stop the Democrats, from impeaching the President based upon
    that inquiry, w/ what was said within the phone call with that nations leader.

    It was based on more than that. But no matter. If at first they
    don't succeed, they can always try, try again. I mean, impeachment
    is not limited to being a one-time event. The same target can be
    impeached a second time. And so on. However, my guess is we the
    people will tire of it and in November decide to pull the plug on
    this dog and pony show.

    Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident crimes that are
    known but at the end of this impeachment there are no crimes that were committed by the President that would indicate the reason why he was impeached. No crimes what so ever.

    Conduct unbecoming an officer. He should have been courts martialed.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Dec 26 21:50:18 2019
    impeached a second time. And so on. However, my guess is we the
    people will tire of it and in November decide to pull the plug on
    this dog and pony show.

    Good luck with that! There are more than a handful of US Reps taking the walk of shame this November. What happens when you poke a beehive with a stick a bunch of times, and then it falls on the ground right in front of you? You
    will find out when the GOP takes over the House!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Dec 27 01:29:00 2019
    On 12-26-19 07:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    This is not open for debate when there is video-graphic evidence of
    Joe Biden talking about what transpired.

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
    and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

    You left out the part that talks about the prosecutor who was fired
    was investigating Hunter Biden and Burisa because the CEO of that
    company had direct ties to leadership with the country of Ukraine.

    I did not leave it out since it was not there. You are creating
    alternative facts.

    Here is the true facts: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/

    [quote]However, Shokin was not fired for investigating Burisma, but for
    his failure to pursue corruption investigations -- including
    investigations connected to Burisma. And Biden wasn't alone in the
    effort to push Shokin out, but rather was spearheading the Obama administration's policy, which represented a consensus among diplomats, officials from various European countries, and the International
    Monetary Fund that Shokin was an impediment to rooting out corruption in
    his country, according to Bloomberg[/quote].

    I.e. he was fired for *NOT* investigating Burisma (and other
    corruption).

    What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened
    there. Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution
    that he must.

    What is wrong is that asking for a foreign government to help Trump's
    election campaign is a federal violation of campaign finace laws,
    whether he got such aid or not. Plus withholding money appropriated by Congress the way that he did was also against the law. Plus it hurt an
    ally in their fight against an invading adversary, namely Russia.

    Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident crimes
    that are known but at the end of this impeachment there are no crimes
    that were committed by the President that would indicate the reason why
    he was impeached. No crimes what so ever.

    BZZT -- see above. There were multiple crimes.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Fri Dec 27 14:47:51 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    impeached a second time. And so on. However, my guess is we the >LL>people will tire of it and in November decide to pull the plug on
    this dog and pony show.

    Good luck with that!

    The House has the sole power of impeachment - they can do whatever
    they want with it.

    There are more than a handful of US Reps taking the walk of shame this
    November.

    All of them Republicans, not a single one of whom voted in favor
    of either of the two articles of impeachment. Putting party before
    the US Constitution (rule of law) is a crying shame, and the people
    of this country deserve far better!

    What happens when you poke a beehive with a stick a bunch of times, and then
    it falls on the ground right in front of you?

    Winnie the Pooh has a feast of honey?

    You will find out when the GOP takes over the House!

    That might be a long time coming. In the meantime, the Senate
    has a trial to conduct. Or does it?

    The Senate has the sole power of trying impeachments - they can
    call or not call any witnesses as they see fit. Or do whatever
    the hell they want. After all, it is their trial to conduct.

    We all know it makes no difference if witnesses are called or not
    called. That is the reality, such as it is.

    The US Constitution does call for the Senate to conduct a trial.
    However, the Framers of the Constitution were very sneaky, and left
    out one important detail. No mention was made as to when such a trial
    must be held. And that means Moscow Mitch has an out.

    Keep in mind to notice the Framers of the Constitution did not
    include "maladministration" as being an impeachable offense.
    Only treason, bribery, and "high crimes and misdemeanors."

    That is why the House did not include any specific crimes.

    How does the Senate conduct a trial in which the defendant
    has not been charged with a crime? It would be impossible for
    him to be exonerated in such a case. So here is what is most
    likely to happen -

    Basically, the Senate can vote, by simple majority, to adjourn
    the start of the trial until November 4, 2020. This would allow
    the people to decide the issue at the ballot box.

    How to make that happen? It is a two-step process -

    1. The Senate can dismiss the articles of impeachment on
    a procedural motion. A simple majority will do.

    2. The Senate Judiciary Committee, through its chairman (Sen.
    Lindsey Graham) could hold hearings to show what a "witch hunt"
    the House process was. IOW, the good Republican Senator from
    South Carolina would be able to conduct his own trial to "acquit"
    the president through Senate hearings.

    All of this during the same time that Democrats are seeking
    their party's nomination for president. Just imagine the optics
    it would be, as one of them could be called to testify.

    So, there you go. A done deal.

    President Donald J. Trump. First (and Last) Dictator of the USA.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Fri Dec 27 08:24:00 2019
    On 12-25-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:


    Hunter is a lawyer. Needs to know the law, not oil and gas.


    He's also a liar! In a legal wrangle with the mother of his child he claimed
    to be `broke'. Tnen the judge in the case learned of Biden's million dollar plus home in hollywood! He's not only a lair....he's also a lawyer! Not to mention a crack cocaine user!


    But then...liars and `democrats' go hand in hand, don't they?


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Fri Dec 27 08:35:00 2019
    On 12-26-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:


    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened DS>and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our DS>allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.


    That is a pack of bullshit! Joe Biden's son was involved in a company under investigation by a prosecutor who was rooting out the corruption of the
    company Hunter Biden was getting paid big money by. Joe Biden effectively shut that investigation down by threatening the Ukranian government with the withholding of a billion dollars in American aid if it did not fire the prosecutor handling the case.


    Not even you are so stupid as to think there's nothing wrong there!


    And Joe Biden himself proved verbally, in that same incriminating statement he made ON camera, that Hussein Obama was just as guilty!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Fri Dec 27 09:08:00 2019
    On 12-26-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to DALE SHIPP:

    On 26 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...


    You sound very much like the Wizard of Oz, the guy pulling levers, behind GD>the curtain, proclaiming there is nothing to see here.


    What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened there. GD>Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution that he must.


    That did not stop the Democrats, from impeaching the President based upon GD>that inquiry, w/ what was said within the phone call with that nations GD>leader. Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident GD>crimes that are known but at the end of this impeachment there are no GD>crimes that were committed by the President that would indicate the reason GD>why he was impeached. No crimes what so ever.


    Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from the Senate for a number of good reasons of her own.


    First of all I thnk she knows it isn't going far in the Senate.


    Secondly, I think she has the notion she can stretch this out to the election next year and make it an issue of 2020.


    But something few people realize; Pelosi's own son made money in a Ukraine company trading on his mother's position.


    Also there was a democrat who pushed hard for impeachment, who's husband made around $700,000 from a Ukrainian who was accused of ordering contract murders!


    There is a lot that would come out that wouldn't reflect well on some
    democrats if Pelosi hands this to the Senate and Trump insists on a trial to bring witnesses.


    There's more at stake for the democrats than Trump if it goes to the Senate
    for trial.


    Plus....getting to the Senate would be a much different situation than in
    front of the democrat-controlled committees in the House; in the Senate it would be much like a courtroom trial. presided over by the Chief Justice.


    The democrat `house managers' would be the prosecutors, and Trump is entitled to a legal team who can cross examine democrat witnesses; call witnesses of their own; present their own evidence; etc.


    I strongly suspect that, if it comes to that, the only thing the democrats
    will be able to say is; they impeached Trump. But this is going to turn out to be one of the worst days democrats ever saw!


    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!


    Their so-called `whistleblower' can't testify to anything. If they could Adam Schitt would have been waving him like a victory flag!


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to TIM RICHARDSON on Fri Dec 27 19:41:40 2019
    On 27 Dec 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

    On 12-26-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to DALE SHIPP:

    On 26 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...


    You sound very much like the Wizard of Oz, the guy pulling levers, behi GD>the curtain, proclaiming there is nothing to see here.


    What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened ther GD>Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution that he mus


    That did not stop the Democrats, from impeaching the President based up GD>that inquiry, w/ what was said within the phone call with that nations GD>leader. Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident GD>crimes that are known but at the end of this impeachment there are no GD>crimes that were committed by the President that would indicate the rea GD>why he was impeached. No crimes what so ever.


    Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from the Senate for a number of good reasons of her own.

    Right many reasons indeed.
    She knows it will backfire w/ short proximity fuse, as it will not only blow up in her face, but may remove the face she is currently wearing.
    Her political career would be over and it would also send equal shock waves through the Democratic party.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Sat Dec 28 00:14:02 2019
    On 12-27-19 08:35, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
    and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our
    allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.


    That is a pack of bullshit! Joe Biden's son was involved in a company under investigation by a prosecutor who was rooting out the corruption
    of the company Hunter Biden was getting paid big money by. Joe Biden effectively shut that investigation down by threatening the Ukranian government with the withholding of a billion dollars in American aid if
    it did not fire the prosecutor handling the case.

    Joe Biden did not shut down any investigation of Burisma. The
    prosecutor that he had fired had already done that.

    Not even you are so stupid as to think there's nothing wrong there!

    And Joe Biden himself proved verbally, in that same incriminating statement he made ON camera, that Hussein Obama was just as guilty!

    Guilty of fighting corruption in Ukraine. Yes. But not of what you are saying. OTOH, the only corruption that Trump wanted investigated was
    the Russian false story that the interference in the 2016 election came
    from Ukraine and not from Russia. Putin told Trump that and Trump
    believed it. That and trying to resurrect the dead story of the Bidens.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Dec 28 11:23:50 2019
    a lawyer! Not to mention a crack cocaine user!

    I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats protect the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that the drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to aaron thomas on Sun Dec 29 09:21:00 2019
    aaron thomas wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

    I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats
    protect the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that the drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

    I *knew* there was a reason!

    I always liked the theory of all that leaded gas used in cars in cities damaged the brains of the people living there causing them to vote Democrat.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Dec 29 22:54:37 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from TR>the Senate for
    a number of good reasons of her own.

    Right many reasons indeed.

    "We cannot name manageers until we see what the process
    is on the Senate side." ~Speaker Pelosi, 12/18/2019, NYT

    See there? She is waiting on Moscow Mitch. Same as
    everybody else.

    She knows it will backfire w/ short proximity fuse, as it will not only blow
    up in her face, but may remove the face she is currently wearing.

    From the looks of things, she does not seem to be in a big
    rush to do anything at all. Except wait for Moscow Mitch to
    inform her what the process will be on the Senate side.

    Her political career would be over and it would also send equal shock waves
    through the Democratic party.

    You see how this works. Kind of like a giant game of chicken.
    Now, remember where she is from. That's right. The same place
    as Dirty Harry.

    Your hero thought she was bluffing when she pulled out her
    weapon of choice, daring her to "Make my day, punk!" So she
    pulled the trigger, showing him who was really boss.

    Moscow Mitch thinks he can save his beloved by refusing to play.
    But Speaker Pelosi has the guts to play hardball, upping the anté
    by telling him, in effect, "We'll be glad to send you the Articles
    of Impeachment. But we'd like you to do us a favor first."

    Now the ball is in his court. The longer he waits, the worse
    it will be for himself, his accomplices in the Senate, and his
    dearly beloved (the critter occupying the White House).

    I guess he forgot the Senate has no control over what the House
    does. And I am not sure the House has any control over what the
    Speaker does. In any event, if the Senate changes the rules to
    schedule a trial, they can have a trial whether or not the House
    presents the articles.

    Whether or not Speaker Pelosi wants the Senate to proceed without
    the House's involvement is a different matter. She may not care
    at all what Mitch McConnell and his cronies do or do not do. In
    fact, she does not *HAVE* to do anything just because the Senate
    says so.

    Speaker Pelosi has dropped a dead skunk in the lap of Moscow Mitch,
    and she is letting it sit there to rot, being in no hurry to rescue
    any of them.

    Speaker Pelosi is still Speaker. And the Democrats still control
    the House. The House can continue investigating, and passing
    additional articles of impeachment. Maybe two or three at a time,
    for each impeachment. That way, even if Moscow Mitch gets his
    beloved off on Impeachment #1, there will be Impeachment #2, and
    Impeachment #3, etc., until the voters make a change this November.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Dec 30 07:01:06 2019
    On 29 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Your hero thought she was bluffing when she pulled out her
    weapon of choice, daring her to "Make my day, punk!" So she
    pulled the trigger, showing him who was really boss.

    Trying to make Pelosi sound like Eastwood, interesting...

    Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden...

    I find you're lack of faith disturbing Lee.

    The only reason why Nancy did this, was to quiet the howling rabid dogs,
    that are the extreme left within the Democratic Party.

    Now she must deal with the consequences, and just like the Emperor who got thrown down the shaft, Nancy will take her place at the bottom of this shaft
    as well, the Presidential authority will see her fail and show the country
    just how much of a spectacle she is.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Dec 31 02:40:18 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Your hero thought she was bluffing when she pulled out her
    weapon of choice, daring her to "Make my day, punk!" So she
    pulled the trigger, showing him who was really boss.

    Trying to make Pelosi sound like Eastwood, interesting...

    The president was trying to imitate "Dirty Harry" Callahan.
    Speaker Pelosi showed him what a true punk she was, and made
    his day.

    Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader.

    Darth Vader was a good guy. A bit misguided, but a good guy.

    Your devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the
    stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden...

    Jedi are evil.

    I find you're lack of faith disturbing Lee.

    Like I said, Jedi are evil.

    The only reason why Nancy did this, was to quiet the howling rabid dogs,
    that are the extreme left within the Democratic Party.

    Speaker Pelosi is not the one who is holding up the trial.
    Nor is it any of the Democrats, in either the House or the Senate.

    Now she must deal with the consequences,

    She is not the one who is facing charges.

    and just like the Emperor who got thrown down the shaft, Nancy will take her
    place at the bottom of this shaft as well,

    Nobody seems to be challenging Speaker Pelosi for her job.

    the Presidential authority will see her fail and show the country
    just how much of a spectacle she is.

    The president has no control over anything the House does.
    Separation of powers, as outlined in the US Constitution, means
    your dear boy can do nothing, absolutely nothing, to intimidate
    Speaker Pelosi, or any other law-abiding member of Congress.

    Which goes to show you how weak Republicans are, never challenging
    the president on anything, regardless of what illegal acts he does,
    or attempts to do.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Dec 30 22:17:43 2019
    On 31 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    Speaker Pelosi is not the one who is holding up the trial.
    Nor is it any of the Democrats, in either the House or the Senate.

    She rushed the vote and now has cold feet, because she knows that hell will
    be unleashed upon her party. They should of taken my advice and stopped this sham and saved a little bit face, now it's too late.
    Justice and complete vindication is coming for Donald Trump.

    She is not the one who is facing charges.

    I am so glad you brought that up, the operative word is yet, as in she is not yet facing charges yet. Trump is not facing any changes, whatsoever, go ahead make my day and use the mighty internet, look far and wide across the network, you will not find any crimes that Trump has committed that are conclusive with his impeachment. You wanna know why that is, because there are none, therefore this impeachment is sham. Your gal Peolsi was caught saying for the public record that they have been in the impeachment for 2 years now, someone should tell her that the the phone call occurred in July of 2019.

    Which goes to show you how weak Republicans are, never challenging
    the president on anything, regardless of what illegal acts he does,
    or attempts to do.

    You have yet to define these 'nameless' illegal acts.
    Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so much besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or being born?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jan 1 01:17:22 2020
    Hello Greg,

    Speaker Pelosi is not the one who is holding up the trial.
    Nor is it any of the Democrats, in either the House or the Senate.

    She rushed the vote and now has cold feet, because she knows that hell will
    be unleashed upon her party. They should of taken my advice and stopped
    this sham and saved a little bit face, now it's too late.
    Justice and complete vindication is coming for Donald Trump.

    The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
    turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with
    having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

    She is not the one who is facing charges.

    I am so glad you brought that up, the operative word is yet,

    Speaker Pelosi cannot be impeached.

    as in she is not yet facing charges yet.

    Members of Congress cannot be impeached.

    Trump is not facing any changes,

    * abuse of power
    * obstruction of Congress

    whatsoever,

    Two articles of impeachment have been passed by the House.
    So far. There may be more forthcoming. Depending on the mood
    of the Speaker.

    go ahead make my day and use the mighty internet, look far and wide across
    the network, you will not find any crimes that Trump has committed that are conclusive with his impeachment.

    Two articles of impeachment have been passed by the House.
    You can read both of them online. At no cost.

    You wanna know why that is, because there are none, therefore
    this impeachment is sham.

    I found two articles of impeachment, the full text of each
    online for all to read. Are there any more I should know about?

    Your gal Peolsi was caught saying for the public record that they have been
    in the impeachment for 2 years now, someone should tell her that the the phone call occurred in July of 2019.

    I'm sure she was just Biden her time, not being in a rush ...

    Which goes to show you how weak Republicans are, never challenging
    the president on anything, regardless of what illegal acts he does,
    or attempts to do.

    You have yet to define these 'nameless' illegal acts.

    He is guilty as charged, having violated his oath of office.

    Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so much
    besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or being born?

    He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jan 1 08:43:06 2020
    On 01 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
    turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with
    having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

    The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year.
    2020 is the year of Trump, get on board the Trump Train or get crushed and dragged from underneath it.

    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the
    Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk what Trump did?

    Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so mu
    besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or bei born?

    He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

    Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.
    It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means so that there is no misunderstanding.

    We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
    Believe in America where it is "America First."
    This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one other.

    Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
    It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
    It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world for
    our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
    It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
    It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the world where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's people.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jan 2 05:27:57 2020
    Hello Greg,

    The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
    turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with >LL>having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

    The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year.

    Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete.
    Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination,
    is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

    2020 is the year of Trump, get on board the Trump Train or get crushed and
    dragged from underneath it.

    2020 is perfect vision, made possible by us all this coming November.

    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the >Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk what
    Trump did?

    Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

    Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so
    mu
    besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or bei >LL>>born?

    He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

    Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

    Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
    Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
    If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

    It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means so
    that there is no misunderstanding.

    Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
    so disappointed.

    We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
    Believe in America where it is "America First."
    This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we
    define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one other.

    Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
    But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.
    Even the creators of Superman have changed, making Superman a
    cold-blooded killer rather than a defender of "Justice, Liberty,
    and the American way."

    Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
    It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
    It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world for
    our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
    It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
    It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the world
    where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's people.

    Separating children from their parents is okay? Locking people
    (including children) in cages is okay? Denying refugees asylum
    is okay? Building a senseless wall that protects no one is okay?
    Water boarding of prisoners (or enemy combatants) is okay? Making
    deals with foreign leaders to find dirt on political opponents is
    okay? I can go on and on listing stuff this miscreant has done
    in office. Far better to remove him from office now before we
    all run out of cyberink.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jan 2 02:11:02 2020
    On 01-01-20 08:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-


    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk what Trump did?

    The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses,
    both in the closed sessions and in the open sessions. That sounds like cross-examination to me -- why not to you? Also, due process was not
    denied in the hearings any more than a typical grand jury hearing, which
    is essentially what the House was doing.

    Our vision does not take planes from our skies.

    Where do you get the idea that anyone's vision includes that?

    It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.

    It should involve some measures to combat man-made contribution to
    climate change -- but it does not. That is to the detriment of the
    planet and future generations.

    It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the
    world for our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.

    But it does involve putting political favors above our national
    security.

    It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.

    It should involve removing weapons of mass distruction from civilian
    hands, but it does not seem to do even that.

    It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the world where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for
    it's people.

    That is a pretty broad statement. What do you think medicare and social security are if not a mild form of socialism?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jan 2 10:36:25 2020
    Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

    Tossing out presidents sounds easy. Can we toss out US Reps who violate their oaths of office as well? How about state reps? We've got a lot of violations going on throughout the country, but nobody wants to pull their finger out of themselves and smell it; they just want to mindlessly bash the president because it's easy to get praise in doing so.

    How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country? Or - is it some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jan 2 18:52:18 2020
    On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
    turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with >LL>having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

    The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year.

    Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete.
    Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination,
    is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

    Here is a bit of history for you.
    Donald Trump beat 15+ Republican candidates on a crowded stage to become President.
    You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance.. I do not see them beating Donald Trump. The Presidential debates last time had me on the edge of my
    seat. I can not not wait until they come about again.


    2020 is the year of Trump, get on board the Trump Train or get crushed an
    dragged from underneath it.

    2020 is perfect vision, made possible by us all this coming November.

    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the >Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk wh
    Trump did?

    Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

    Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you s
    mu
    besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or >LL>>born?

    He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

    Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

    Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
    Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
    If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

    Well there ya go I believe in these things as well, I believe that there is more that binds us then divides us.
    Those are not to be slick words, it is genuinely how I feel.


    LL>
    It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means
    that there is no misunderstanding.

    Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
    so disappointed.

    We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
    Believe in America where it is "America First."
    This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we
    define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one other.

    Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
    But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.

    How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
    Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.
    Come to think of it does has Donald Trump.
    Don't take my word for it
    https://tinyurl.com/r4o7a6w
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v9kRl_RRZ8
    and he will do so again!

    Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
    It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
    It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world f
    our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
    It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
    It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the wor
    where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's peop

    Separating children from their parents is okay?
    So did Obama, but what type of Parent would drag their children across the desert to risk their health and welfare.
    The United States is a sovereign nation and a country of laws.
    Want a slice of the American Dream? Come here legally as my family has.
    I was born in Troy, New York which is the Home of Uncle Sam.

    Making deals with foreign leaders to find dirt on political opponents is okay?

    He did not such thing, he went and is going after Biden because at the time
    he was VP at the time. There was and there is plenty of funny-business that went on with Biden with his management of Ukraine, while his son profited in the country of Ukraine.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 2 19:03:28 2020

    On 02 Jan 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna tal what Trump did?

    The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses, both in the closed sessions and in the open sessions.

    No that is not the way this happened.
    Remember Adam Schiff is closed door sessions in the basement...
    Does that jog your memory? In addition did you watch the hearings that Adam was the chair in, he would not let the republicans a word in edge wise.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jan 3 03:42:00 2020
    On 01-02-20 19:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every
    turn, and you wanna tal
    what Trump did?

    The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses, both in the closed sessions and in the open sessions.

    No that is not the way this happened.

    Yes way -- that is exactly what happened.

    Remember Adam Schiff is closed door sessions in the basement...

    Yes, and the Republicans were there in force and could question the
    witnesses. And they did, as confirmed by the transcripts that were
    released.

    Does that jog your memory? In addition did you watch the
    hearings that Adam was
    the chair in, he would not let the republicans a word in edge wise.

    Every member got their five minutes. If Schiff cut someone off it was
    because of their being out of time, or because they were attempting to
    violate established procedures, e.g. attempting to expose the
    whistleblower's identity in public. The Republicans had just as much
    time each as any of the Democrats had.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Jan 4 02:41:21 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

    Tossing out presidents sounds easy.

    It is. Just go to the polls, pull the lever, and it's done.
    Or in this modern age, punch the screen.

    Can we toss out US Reps who violate their oaths of office as well?

    Sure. Same procedure. Works wonders.

    How about state reps?

    Yep.

    We've got a lot of violations going on throughout the country, but nobody
    wants to pull their finger out of themselves and smell it; they just want
    to mindlessly bash the president because it's easy to get praise in doing
    so.

    Well, the president asked for it. Really. And I do not envy him.
    Not at all. He asked for the gig, and we gave it to him. So he has
    only himself to blame. Nobody else.

    How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country?

    It's show biz! Sure beats watching all those Big Pharma ads
    on cable television when trying to watch the news. All those
    committee hearings, with no commercial breaks, oh the wonder
    of it all! Just think of what the upcoming trial will be like!
    Commercial free! All day coverage! For an entire month!

    Or - is it some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

    We have to do this the American Way. That means not a show trial
    like they have in North Korea, Iran, or the former Soviet Union.

    Have the president himself take the stand as the main witness,
    in his own defense. No other witness would be needed. Just think
    of the ratings on that one. The president would be given a live
    microphone and be allowed to talk for as long as he wanted. The
    defense will then rest its case and the jury will render its
    verdict.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 4 02:41:39 2020
    Hello Greg,

    The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to >LL>>LL>turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with >LL>>LL>having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

    The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year. >LL>
    Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete. >LL>Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination, >LL>is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

    Here is a bit of history for you.
    Donald Trump beat 15+ Republican candidates on a crowded stage to become
    President.

    He was the strongest candidate in that crowded field. I will
    grant him that. Of course, it was a very weak field, but still ...

    You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance..

    Not only the gals, and one who thinks he is.

    I do not see them beating Donald Trump.

    It's too bad Democrats can only nominate one candidate at a time,
    as each and every one of them would win in a walk.

    The Presidential debates last time had me on the edge of my
    seat. I can not not wait until they come about again.

    Yeah. President Pence is sure gonna have his hands full with
    whatever candidate the Democrats choose to nominate.

    [..]

    He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

    Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

    Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
    Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
    If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

    Well there ya go I believe in these things as well, I believe that there is
    more that binds us then divides us.
    Those are not to be slick words, it is genuinely how I feel.

    No president is above the law. He swore an oath. He broke it.
    It is time for him to leave.

    LL> >It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means
    LL> > that there is no misunderstanding.
    LL>
    LL> Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
    LL> so disappointed.
    LL>
    LL> >We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
    LL> >Believe in America where it is "America First."
    LL> >This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we
    LL> > define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite
    from one
    LL> > other.
    LL>
    LL> Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
    LL> But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.

    How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
    Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.

    That was true, until recently. The new Superman movies have
    Superman killing his enemies, rather than upholding the values
    we hold most dear.

    Come to think of it does has Donald Trump.

    Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

    Don't take my word for it

    Anybody with half a brain can see, as plain as daylight, what
    this president has done and continues to do.

    https://tinyurl.com/r4o7a6w
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v9kRl_RRZ8
    and he will do so again!

    Take off your blinders and look at the world as it is.

    LL> >Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
    LL> >It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
    LL> >It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world f
    LL> > our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
    LL> >It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
    LL> >It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout
    the wor
    LL> > where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's peop
    LL>
    LL> Separating children from their parents is okay?

    So did Obama, but what type of Parent would drag their children across the
    desert to risk their health and welfare.

    It was not until Trump took office that a "zero tolerance" policy
    was enacted. We all know how that turned out.

    The United States is a sovereign nation and a country of laws.

    That used to be true. Once upon a time. But that is no longer true.
    What we have today is a far cry from what this country should be, all
    because of what the current occupant of the White House has done.

    Want a slice of the American Dream? Come here legally as my family has.
    I was born in Troy, New York which is the Home of Uncle Sam.

    I was born in the swamp. That is home to me.

    Making deals with foreign leaders to find dirt on political LL>opponents
    is okay?

    He did not such thing,

    Oh, that's right. He got caught in the act. As a result, he
    had to give Ukraine the funds that Congress had allocated, rather
    than make the deal with the Ukrainian president (to find dirt on
    a political opponent in exchange for those funds).

    he went and is going after Biden because at the time he was VP at the time.

    The phone call was in 2019, three years after Joe Biden had
    left office.

    There was and there is plenty of funny-business that went on with Biden with
    his management of Ukraine, while his son profited in the country of
    Ukraine.

    According to Ukraine, neither of the Bidens broke any Ukrainian laws.
    Since the matter was already investigated, by Ukraine, and there is no
    new evidence, everything is okey dokey.

    Now if President Trump wants to have his AG look into the matter,
    and have the FBI conduct its own investigation, and have the Senate
    subpoena Joe and Hunter Biden, along with whoever else they want,
    then have at it. They have the power. All the levers of power to
    do whatever the heck they want.

    So. Ball is in their court.

    Joe Biden, along with his son, are telling them -

    "Make our day, punks!" ~Dirty Joe and Dirty Hunter

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jan 4 05:23:23 2020
    How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country?

    It's show biz! Sure beats watching all those Big Pharma ads

    But how is impeaching Trump going to help the USA?

    Or - is it some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

    We have to do this the American Way. That means not a show trial

    But is it another country you want to see benefit from the impeachment?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jan 4 05:28:32 2020
    Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

    I think Donald Trump has trashed far-left liberal values.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 4 13:36:00 2020
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
    Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.

    You have to ask "Which Superman?" The Superman of our childhood, or the Left-wing Superman of the soon to be defunct DC comics?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sun Jan 5 04:25:44 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

    I think Donald Trump has trashed far-left liberal values.

    Bernie Sanders did not vote for GWB's war on Iraq.
    He was also the first, if not the only, candidate running
    for president who is criticizing Trump for ordering a hit
    on an Iranian bad guy in Iraq, as he figures it could lead
    to a real shooting war between the US and Iran.

    Since Bernie is a Jew, I cannot call him a good Christian.
    But he certainly acts as a Christian should.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Mon Jan 6 02:10:00 2020
    On 12-28-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 12-27-19 08:35, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened DS>and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our DS>allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.


    That is a pack of bullshit! Joe Biden's son was involved in a company
    under investigation by a prosecutor who was rooting out the corruption
    of the company Hunter Biden was getting paid big money by. Joe Biden effectively shut that investigation down by threatening the Ukranian government with the withholding of a billion dollars in American aid if
    it did not fire the prosecutor handling the case.


    Joe Biden did not shut down any investigation of Burisma. The
    prosecutor that he had fired had already done that.


    Joe Biden threatened to withhold a billion dollars if the prosecutor who was investigating the corrupt company; on who's board of directors his son Hunter sat and recieved a 60 to 80 thousand a month salary; wasn't fired!


    Don't even try to `pretend' that didn't happen....Joe Bden is ON AUDIO/VIDEO doing JUST that!






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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sun Jan 5 23:44:00 2020
    On 12-27-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:


    Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from the Senate for a number of good reasons of her own.

    Right many reasons indeed.
    She knows it will backfire w/ short proximity fuse, as it will not only GD>blow up in her face, but may remove the face she is currently wearing. GD>Her political career would be over and it would also send equal shock GD>waves through the Democratic party.


    I've seen some `law' professors say Trump isn't `impeached' unless and until Pelosi actually delivers the articles of impeachment to the Senate. In fact, one of those leftist `professors' of law who spouted nonsense against Trump in one of Schitts' last hearings, stated that very fact.


    Its like a grand jury returning an indictment against someone. And then the DA never prosecutes. If he doesn't prosecute the indictment is meaningless.
    Unless and until Pelosi delivers the articles of impeachment to the Senate, Trump ain't `impeached'!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Jan 5 23:47:00 2020
    On 12-28-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    a lawyer! Not to mention a crack cocaine user!

    I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats protect AT>the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that the AT>drug they're addicted to is being canceled.


    You might have hit it on the head!





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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Mon Jan 6 00:36:00 2020
    On 01-02-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 01-01-20 08:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-


    The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk
    what Trump did?


    The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses,


    That is a total lie.


    The whole country saw the democrats hold hearings in secret, out of the public eye.


    The whole country saw the democrats deny republicans the chance to call witnesses of their own.


    The so-called `whistleblower Schitt boasted about at the start, he had to hide the son-of-a-bitch and didn't DARE bring him into it because it came out that he was so democrat biased, and had colluded with Schitt's own staff so much, that Schitt didn't dare bring him out to testify. In fact did everything he could to repress republicans even refering to him!









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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Jan 6 01:09:00 2020
    On 01-02-20, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

    Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

    Tossing out presidents sounds easy. Can we toss out US Reps who violate AT>their oaths of office as well? How about state reps? We've got a lot of AT>violations going on throughout the country, but nobody wants to pull their AT>finger out of themselves and smell it; they just want to mindlessly bash AT>the president because it's easy to get praise in doing so.


    How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country? Or - is it AT>some other country that you want to see benefit from this?


    This isn't about anything but the fact that;


    1. Bill Clinton was impeached during his presidency.


    2. Hillary Clinton was soundly defeated by Trump.


    3. Trump wasn't supposed to win.


    4. Trump's `impeachment' started in November 2016, the day after he was elected.


    They can't undo the 2016 election. But they CAN throw every stumbling block they can conjure up to try to derail every effort Trump makes to help the country.





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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Jan 6 02:21:00 2020
    On 01-03-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 01-02-20 19:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-


    Does that jog your memory? In addition did you watch the
    hearings that Adam was
    the chair in, he would not let the republicans a word in edge wise.


    Every member got their five minutes. If Schiff cut someone off it was DS>because of their being out of time, or because they were attempting to DS>violate established procedures, e.g. attempting to expose the DS>whistleblower's identity in public. The Republicans had just as much DS>time each as any of the Democrats had.


    The republicans were denied their right to call witnesses.


    The whole country saw that (and so did Shipp).


    Schitt cut off every instance in which he thought a republican was going to mention `the whistleblower'.


    After pumping up the nation on the whistleblower being able to bring Trump down....suddenly Schitt did everything he could to supress even the very mention of the whistleblower!


    Why?


    Because it came out that this so-called `whistleblower' had ginned up his
    story with Schitt's own aides! And who knows' what would have come out under cross-examination!


    This is a piss poor job of railroading. And its most likely to fail. Pelosi can't deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate. Because that means a `trial'. In which Trump gets to call witnesses. Hello....whistleblower!







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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Mon Jan 6 12:15:59 2020
    meaningless. Unless and until Pelosi delivers the articles of
    impeachment to the Senate, Trump ain't `impeached'!

    Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. But that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

    It's all they need in order to send signals around the world that the
    president of the USA is corrupt. Hopefully, other world leaders will see through the lies.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Mon Jan 6 12:22:59 2020
    I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats prote AT>the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that th AT>drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

    You might have hit it on the head!

    Ok, and the #2 reason is because they're also addicted to corruption, slavery, forced-prostitution, child-neglect, and murder. If we threaten to take their victims away from them, that's enough to drive them insane. They're out for blood, believe it or not, although they're phoning in their strategies.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to aaron thomas on Mon Jan 6 18:23:00 2020
    aaron thomas wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

    Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. But that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

    Ya, but who listens to the Left-wing Propaganda... er.. Media anymore?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jan 7 06:46:35 2020
    On 04 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,


    The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year >LL>
    Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete. >LL>Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination, >LL>is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

    Here is a bit of history for you.
    Donald Trump beat 15+ Republican candidates on a crowded stage to become
    President.

    He was the strongest candidate in that crowded field. I will
    grant him that. Of course, it was a very weak field, but still ...

    You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance..

    Not only the gals, and one who thinks he is.

    Ever ask yourself how these gals have become millionaires.
    Elizabeth is a opportunist who uses her -smallest sliver of Indian heritage when it suits her. These people do not know what it means to play by the
    rules. America sees this too, her campaign will run out of gas and she will drop out of the race. Then there is her days representing DOW chemical... Champion for Women? more like Champion over women...




    I do not see them beating Donald Trump.

    It's too bad Democrats can only nominate one candidate at a time,
    as each and every one of them would win in a walk.

    The Presidential debates last time had me on the edge of my
    seat. I can not not wait until they come about again.

    Yeah. President Pence is sure gonna have his hands full with
    whatever candidate the Democrats choose to nominate.

    [..]

    He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

    Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

    Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
    Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
    If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

    Well there ya go I believe in these things as well, I believe that there
    more that binds us then divides us.
    Those are not to be slick words, it is genuinely how I feel.

    No president is above the law. He swore an oath. He broke it.

    I know that sounds good rolling of the tongue and it gives you great pride, with your chest all puffed out when you type that here, but tell me and us all what law did he broke?




    LL> It is
    time for him to leave. LL>
    LL> >It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what tha means
    LL> > that there is no misunderstanding.
    LL>
    LL> Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
    LL> so disappointed.
    LL>
    LL> >We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
    LL> >Believe in America where it is "America First."
    LL> >This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and we
    LL> > define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one
    LL> > other.
    LL>
    LL> Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
    LL> But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.

    How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
    Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.

    That was true, until recently. The new Superman movies have
    Superman killing his enemies, rather than upholding the values
    we hold most dear.

    Come to think of it does has Donald Trump.

    Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

    oh really? please do tell.

    Donald Trump is all about America, or perhaps you would rather see America under the thumb of another nation, a country that is barely alive, 48 million people on food stamps, no jobs and even a President who tells us that the
    jobs just are not coming back. - Been there done that...

    Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.

    I really don't think you can define American Values.

    You are just pissed off that his Presidency and his leadership are a success to spite the screaming from the left and even the efforts within the Democrats can not stop him as they have tried with dossiers which lead to investigations, impeachment communities, even with help from the highest officials within the intelligence communities within the FBI, CIA couldn't stop Trump. The efforts of this Anti-Trump machine have fallen apart and it has left a trail of parts and debris that spell out when, where and how these things were put into motion. These efforts have and will continue to backfire in their faces, continuing to damage the Democratic brand and platform, to the point where no one will want to stand with them or even near them in the future.

    According to Ukraine, neither of the Bidens broke any Ukrainian laws. Since the matter was already investigated, by Ukraine, and there is no
    new evidence, everything is okey dokey.

    The most corrupt place on the planet, and your talking about Ukrainian Laws? Rrrrrright...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Jan 8 02:13:47 2020
    Hello Greg,

    You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance..

    Not only the gals, and one who thinks he is.

    Ever ask yourself how these gals have become millionaires.

    Donald Trump got his the old-fashioned way. He inherited it.
    Elizabeth Warren got hers the hard way. She earned it.
    Taught school, raised a family, went back to law school, became
    a professor ...

    Elizabeth is a opportunist who uses her -smallest sliver of Indian heritage >when it suits her. These people do not know what it means to play by the >rules. America sees this too, her campaign will run out of gas and she will >drop out of the race. Then there is her days representing DOW chemical... >Champion for Women? more like Champion over women...

    Well, she is a lawyer ...

    [..]

    No president is above the law. He swore an oath. He broke it.

    I know that sounds good rolling of the tongue and it gives you great pride,
    with your chest all puffed out when you type that here, but tell me and us all what law did he broke?

    All of them. Or so it appears.

    [..]

    Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

    oh really? please do tell.

    He has lowered America to his own set of values.

    Donald Trump is all about America, or perhaps you would rather see America
    under the thumb of another nation, a country that is barely alive, 48
    million people on food stamps, no jobs and even a President who tells us
    that the jobs just are not coming back. - Been there done that...

    Donald Trump is about Donald Trump. And only Donald Trump.

    Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.

    Donald Trump does not have American Values.
    He has only his own values.
    No empathy for others, except for his own self.
    That is the one and only value he has.
    The value of Donald J. Trump.

    I really don't think you can define American Values.

    Would that be cultural values? Moral values? Personal values?
    We each have our own ideas as to what constitute "American Values".
    Here is what a fellow by the name of Guy Reel claims are his own
    set of "American Values" -

    Published on
    Wednesday, April 20, 2005
    by Common Dreams
    American Values
    by Guy Reel

    What is America? What are the values it has most fought for
    and admired? A few of the first, and most important, come to mind:

    Freedom.
    Equality.
    Democracy.
    Champion of the little guy.
    Helper of the oppressed.
    Defender against tyranny.

    Some of the other values are ingrained in our history and our
    belief in our future:

    Capitalism.
    Independence.
    Strength.
    Rightness and righteousness.
    Manifest destiny.
    God.

    Freedom of religion.
    Family.
    Wealth.
    Faith.
    Entertainment and happiness.

    Even a casual reader of these values can see where conflicts might
    arise among them. Capitalism and strength have made America great,
    but they have generated their own set of inequalities. Our wealth
    is unequaled, but Jesus taught that our faith should make wealth
    meaningless. Equality is a wonderful ideal, but frankly, not everyone
    is created equal. Freedom is fine until we see our vast money-obsessed entertainment and happiness apparatus assaulting us with base
    immorality, cowardly news, and stupidity.

    Over the last twenty years or so, the most radical members of the
    right wing have claimed they've owned the core American values that
    I've just enumerated; moreover, they've claimed that liberals have
    tried to defeat them. Therefore, they argue, liberals are trying
    to ruin the American way of life. They claim that liberals are a
    threat to our very future. For those who question this assumption,
    they need only to listen to talk radio, Fox news and the Republican
    leadership who pass for responsible voices in our democracy.

    Their methods are not surprising. Because here is their dirty little
    secret: The far right must gain its identity from imagined enemies.
    Because without these imagined enemies, the ultra-right wing is not
    viable. Without the imagined enemies, you just have - America. It
    is an America struggling with competing interests among its core
    values. It should try to help the poor while building wealth for
    us all; it should try to lead the world without exploiting or
    dominating it; it should not be ashamed of a faith in God but should
    never discriminate against those of different beliefs; and it should
    try to figure out balances between those "right and left" policy
    disputes, such as protection of the environment versus encouraging
    development.

    This is the true American value: We are a nation of compromises. The Constitution is a document of concessions between competing interests.
    We weigh the right of the accused against the power of prosecutors; we
    weigh the power of judges against Congress and the president; we weigh
    the power of the people against the strength of the government.

    Yet this is the problem with the right wing today. When a political
    faction encourages an atmosphere that makes these competing principles
    evil and corrupt - even the idea that there should be competition among
    them - it threatens the very essence of America. It must be said
    outright: These strange Americans are fighting against the founding
    values of this nation.

    The radical reactionaries (it is absurd to call them conservatives)
    have convinced about half of Americans that the basic American values
    - the values of balancing various competing interests - are evil and anti-American. This is where the future of America is threatened, and
    it must be fought at every turn.

    What we have seen is the creation of a culture of hate in America,
    and that is not too strong of a characterization. The radicals vilify
    those who disagree with them -they must do this to survive. For without
    the enemies that they themselves imagine, they are nothing. After the
    imagined enemies are gone, they have nothing to rant against, except
    the notion of American values. Therefore, if they lose their enemies,
    they lose America.

    America is a balancing act. Sometimes we slip off the wire. No one said
    it would be easy. No one said it was simple. It's a work in progress,
    and it always will be. The danger to America is when we allow those who
    vilify basic American values to have the loudest voices.

    This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike
    3.0 License.

    Guy Reel is an associate professor of mass communication at Winthrop University. He may be reached at reelg@winthrop.edu

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Jan 8 08:37:14 2020
    Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. B that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

    Ya, but who listens to the Left-wing Propaganda... er.. Media anymore?

    The whole non English-speaking world receives liberal news regarding the USA. Telemundo, the same news outlet that covers stories like "the lady who can
    read with her eyes closed, through her fingers.." is also telling people who speak Spanish many tall tales about Republicans in the USA.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jan 11 19:50:14 2020
    Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.

    Donald Trump does not have American Values.
    He has only his own values.
    No empathy for others, except for his own self.
    That is the one and only value he has.
    The value of Donald J. Trump.

    Wrong on All accounts.
    let's look as to why?

    Donald Trump does not have American Values.
    Ever hear of a phrase Make America Great Again.

    He has only his own values.
    Donald Trump wouldn't of run if this was the case.

    No empathy for others, except for his own self.
    You don't really believe that. do you?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jan 14 03:05:10 2020
    Hello Greg,

    LL> >Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.
    LL>
    LL> Donald Trump does not have American Values.
    LL> He has only his own values.
    LL> No empathy for others, except for his own self.
    LL> That is the one and only value he has.
    LL> The value of Donald J. Trump.

    Wrong on All accounts.
    let's look as to why?

    Greed and selfishness come to mind. But I would hardly
    call those American values.

    Donald Trump does not have American Values.

    Ever hear of a phrase Make America Great Again.

    America has always been great.
    Unfortunately, it looks like Americans will have to wait
    until our next president is in office before America can be
    made greater than it already is.

    He has only his own values.

    Donald Trump wouldn't of run if this was the case.

    Had we all been so fortunate.

    No empathy for others, except for his own self.

    You don't really believe that. do you?

    Well, you do realize he and Melania do not sleep in the same room.
    And that Barron is not really his kid ...

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Jan 17 14:25:00 2020
    On 01-06-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    meaningless. Unless and until Pelosi delivers the articles of
    impeachment to the Senate, Trump ain't `impeached'!


    Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. But AT>that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.


    It's all they need in order to send signals around the world that the AT>president of the USA is corrupt. Hopefully, other world leaders will see AT>through the lies.


    I watched a segment of Pelosi signing with multiple pens....she'd write a word...switch pens....write another word...switch pens....


    She almost couldn't suppress the look of absolute glee in her eyes as she signed.


    The democrats surrounding her as she signed were thrilled at what was happening. About the stupidest democrat to come down the pike in decades; Maxine Waters; went into hysterical joy! You could almost hear the `impeach
    45! impeach 45!' running through her mind as Pelosi signed. And she left
    waving one of the special `impeachment' pens Pelosi handed out as momentos
    high in the air.


    Its not about Trump having done anything to get removed from office over.


    Its about staining him with `impeached' after his ame in the history books.


    Democrats and their bots in the media were pissed that Hillary lost to him.


    His `impeachment' began even before he took the oath of office.


    The democrats and their deep-state partners are livid that a political nobody with no political experience whatever managed to get over 60 million votes and defeat Hillary with an Electoral College majority so big it was an
    embarassment to any democrat worth their graft!






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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Jan 17 14:21:00 2020
    On 01-06-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats
    prote TR> AT>the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to AT>think that th TR> AT>drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

    You might have hit it on the head!

    Ok, and the #2 reason is because they're also addicted to corruption, AT>slavery, forced-prostitution, child-neglect, and murder.


    I got something on that somewhere....let me look....


    Yeah....in October last year Hunter Biden stepped down from the board of a Chinese-backed equity company (what would Hunter Biden know about `equity'!).


    Hunter Biden was also involved in Chinese companies who use slave labor.



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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Jan 18 19:31:43 2020
    I watched a segment of Pelosi signing with multiple pens....she'd write a word...switch pens....write another word...switch pens....

    Have you ever seen a member of congress act like that much of a proud lunatic?

    She almost couldn't suppress the look of absolute glee in her eyes as she signed.

    I guess it was the biggest accomplishment of her life; to formally accuse the president of wrongdoing. A real patriot would regret to sign articles of impeachment against their president.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Jan 18 19:37:32 2020
    Hunter Biden was also involved in Chinese companies who use slave labor.

    That will sound appealing to some liberals and terrible to the other half.
    But even if you put proof of that in their faces, it wouldn't cure their TDS.

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