• Health care

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Sat Jun 15 23:27:00 2019
    On 06-15-19 12:46, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Biden is the Cure <=-

    Politicians' attempts to control the health care system have failed
    every time they've tried it. Despite the propaganda, Medicare does
    not and never has paid the cost of health care for the elderly

    Medicare never claimed to pay 100% of the cost of health care -- it pays
    80%. Then there are supplemental plans that pay the rest. I end up
    paying nothing for health care except for a modest deductable at the
    beginning of each year.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 17 04:20:13 2019
    Hello Dale,

    Politicians' attempts to control the health care system have failed >BA>every time they've tried it. Despite the propaganda, Medicare does
    not and never has paid the cost of health care for the elderly

    Medicare never claimed to pay 100% of the cost of health care -- it pays
    80%. Then there are supplemental plans that pay the rest. I end up
    paying nothing for health care except for a modest deductable at the >beginning of each year.

    Some politicians, such as Bernie Sanders, have spoken in favor
    of "medicare for all" as their main fix for solving the health care
    crisis in the US. Sanders wants to have a single payer "medicare
    for all" system with no private insurance plans available. In his
    mind, that would do away with the top one-tenth of one percent
    getting all the goods at the expense of everybody else.

    However, think about what this "solution" would mean.

    Sanders' single payer system would result in private companies
    bidding for the contract to take over medicare. The winning bidder
    would get the contract, and have a monopoly on health insurance.
    With no other insurers allowed to play or get back into the ball
    game, what do you think will happen?

    The state of Louisiana had a system that worked for decades,
    thanks to brothers Huey P. Long and Earl K. Long. They came up
    with the idea of charity hospitals, where all could be cared
    for regardless of whether they had insurance or not. It worked
    so well that nobody wanted state government to end the program.

    Then came along Piyush "Bobby" Jindal who screwed the pooch by wanting
    to cut the state budget to the bone. He wanted to shut down charity
    hospitals, and basically succeeded, excepting one small clinic that
    housed 12 patients. He even went so far as to wanting to close
    veterans hospitals, but that caused such an uproar that he quickly
    backed off.

    Today a different governor is at the helm. But now that charity
    hospitals are a thing of the past, he has to work with what the
    state has left. So he chose to expand medicaid, thus giving many
    people who did not quality for medicare and could not afford to
    pay for private insurance better access to quality health care.

    Republicans (all of them Trump sycophants) want to end expanded
    medicaid, thus ending whatever little access to quality health care
    many people depend on.

    Access to quality health care is the first of all human rights.
    And yet Republicans want to deny this most basic of all human rights
    to the most vulnerable of us, including women who are pregnant.
    How many states have recently passed "forced birth" legislation?
    Including "forced birth" legislation mandating children who are
    victims of rape and/or incest to become mothers against their will?

    We live in a sick society. And have yet to find a cure.
    But I am convinced there is a cure. And we will find it.
    When we do, the bully will be chased off the playground.

    Of course, we all know what the cure is. Including those
    Republicans who continue to act as sycophants for the bully
    they pretend to love and adore.

    John McCain found the cure. Not only did he tell us what the
    cure is, but he showed us. Thumbs down on Trump's health care bill
    to end Obamacare showed it all.

    It is time for the rest of America to turn a thumb's down on
    Trump's hate program for America. Time for us all to show love
    for one another.

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Tue Jun 18 13:03:48 2019
    On 06-15-19 12:46, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Biden is the Cure <=-

    Politicians' attempts to control the health care system have
    failed
    every time they've tried it. Despite the propaganda, Medicare
    does
    not and never has paid the cost of health care for the elderly

    Medicare never claimed to pay 100% of the cost of health care -- it
    pays
    80%.

    Actually, Dale, it pays about twelve percent of the cost except in the
    case of my dialysis treatments, then it pays less than two percent.
    Medicare's unlicensed cubicle dwellers routinely disallow about 85% of
    the charges on bills presented for payment and it then pays 80% of the remaining "allowable charges" - or twelve percent of the amounts billed.

    I have a stack of EOBs on file that proves exactly what I just posted.

    Then there are supplemental plans that pay the rest. I end up
    paying nothing for health care except for a modest deductable at the beginning of each year.

    I have Tricare, which pays the 20% of the "allowable charges" that
    Medicare doesn't pay. NOBODY pays the rest of it
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